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That is one messed up piece of gear for sure, looks like a cobble up barrel that someone shortened and put it into a pistol stock .
The screws are wrong on the back action lock so Heaven only knows what the innards look like . 
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12-14-2021, 12:20 AM
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Pretty sure it's a D. Saster.
Waiting to happen.
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12-14-2021, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by catnthehat
That is one messed up piece of gear for sure, looks like a cobble up barrel that someone shortened and put it into a pistol stock .
The screws are wrong on the back action lock so Heaven only knows what the innards look like .
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I was looking at it then decided to read what you posted ,i started laughing for about 3 minutes. Still laughing re reading your post.
Mess up ,do you think .
Your one very polite person Cat , i just seen it and shook my head saying what the heck is this deal.
Some folks are arguing all day on this site ,but on these threads I get alot of laughs and there is also some very good info also.
Bakerguy ,do not attempt to fire this contraption . Just looking down the top of the barrel isn't a safe deal. The trigger looks awesome .
CHEERS
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12-14-2021, 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by JD848
I was looking at it then decided to read what you posted ,i started laughing for about 3 minutes. Still laughing re reading your post.
Mess up ,do you think .
Your one very polite person Cat , i just seen it and shook my head saying what the heck is this deal.
Some folks are arguing all day on this site ,but on these threads I get alot of laughs and there is also some very good info also.
Bakerguy ,do not attempt to fire this contraption . Just looking down the top of the barrel isn't a safe deal. The trigger looks awesome .
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Haha for sure. Was just looking for information on it and will be sticking with my gut feeling and not firing the unit
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12-14-2021, 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by catnthehat
That is one messed up piece of gear for sure, looks like a cobble up barrel that someone shortened and put it into a pistol stock .
The screws are wrong on the back action lock so Heaven only knows what the innards look like .
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~006: …. LOL
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12-14-2021, 06:50 AM
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Definitely built by Bubba, an ugly wall hanger at best.
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12-14-2021, 07:09 AM
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Looks like a Dupont Remington Model 66 .22 carved out of a 2x4, rechambered for .458 Win, sawed off with hammers added?
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12-14-2021, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 270person
Looks like a Dupont Remington Model 66 .22 carved out of a 2x4, rechambered for .458 Win, sawed off with hammers added?
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Lololololol
The diamonds are a dead giveaway
Thats the gun you let the mother in law shoot her first (and last) time at the range
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12-14-2021, 08:58 AM
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Lololololol
The diamonds are a dead giveaway
Thats the gun you let the mother in law shoot her first (and last) time at the range
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Hahaha - so your saying I should let my mother-in-law use it?
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12-14-2021, 09:03 AM
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Thanks everyone for looking - judging from initial responses it’ll be safe to safe to say don’t use unless it’s the only left in a zombie apocalypse. Until then I’ll be a nice wall unit.
Please continue to comment if you might know what this abomination is.
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12-14-2021, 09:17 AM
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Pretty sure it's a D. Saster.
Waiting to happen.
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Looks like some Bubba had a field day. That lock looks interesting though , the gun has a serial number so must have started as something.
Grizz
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12-14-2021, 09:18 AM
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Hahaha - so your saying I should let my mother-in-law use it?
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Once. Post before and afters.
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12-14-2021, 09:52 AM
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Once. Post before and afters.
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12-14-2021, 12:38 PM
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Pretty sure it's a D. Saster.
Waiting to happen.
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pretty much seems to sum it up. Qulafies for a Lord Blue Thunderin Haysoos,WTH is that thing?
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12-14-2021, 12:44 PM
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Hahaha - so your saying I should let my mother-in-law use it?
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I wouldn’t want to see anyone get hurt so could I get my mother in law to try it first. 
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12-14-2021, 12:54 PM
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id run that rod down barrel to make sure some brave soul didn't charge it with a load. its surprising how many old flints and percussion have a old charge forgotten in em.
Also that lock looks interesting, i swear iv seen one before.
i might be half tempted to strap it down charge it and remote fire it with a long string. after i took it apart cleaned the hell out of it and fired a few percussion caps only out of it. then maybe charge it with 30 grains of ffg some #4 shot and yep remote try it for giggles then hang it. if any thing make sure it wouldn't be considered a working firearm. think you would need your restricted license then.
if any thing id say that thing ( errr fine work of art)started life as a percussion rifle then got cut down to be a pistol and slapped in a home made stock.
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All I can say is, , , I have no clue what that thing is.
I'd put it on the coffee table and ask my guests to tell me what it is.
Should be good for a few laughs watching them scratch their heads.
There must be someone somewhere that can identify the lock plate and proof mark, if that is a proof mark.
Even if it's cobbled together from toys and old guns, it must have a history of some sort that can be at least partially figured out.
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12-14-2021, 01:07 PM
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id run that rod down barrel to make sure some brave soul didn't charge it with a load. its surprising how many old flints and percussion have a old charge forgotten in em.
Also that lock looks interesting, i swear iv seen one before.
i might be half tempted to strap it down charge it and remote fire it with a long string. after i took it apart cleaned the hell out of it and fired a few percussion caps only out of it. then maybe charge it with 30 grains of ffg some #4 shot and yep remote try it for giggles then hang it. if any thing make sure it wouldn't be considered a working firearm. think you would need your restricted license then.
if any thing id say that thing ( errr fine work of art)started life as a percussion rifle then got cut down to be a pistol and slapped in a home made stock.
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This,
If you do string fire it, take a video of it blowing up.
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I wouldn’t be surprised that if you took that thing apart you would discover that it was never meant to fire. The trigger for one thing doesn’t look like it would pull. There quite possibly are no internals under the side plate. Is the nipple open ? Or blocked .
Looks like part of someone’s Halloween pirate costume.
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12-14-2021, 01:40 PM
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Yes. I wouldn’t take any chances with it. I would make sure it is inoperable so no one ever tries it.
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12-14-2021, 02:25 PM
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Get in line buster.
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12-14-2021, 02:30 PM
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I believe if I'm not mistaken is that this is a HMBAWT model 12.
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12-14-2021, 03:08 PM
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I believe if I'm not mistaken is that this is a HMBAWT model 12.
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Excellent. 12 signifying a case of beer so there's 11 to kill the pain after firing?
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12-14-2021, 03:19 PM
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Reference to having the MIL fire this thing reminded me of:
"I bought my ex-wife an electric chair, but the State won't let me plug it in!"
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The stove bolt screw holding the hammer on is a nice touch
It might safer being in front of it when it was touched off
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Spitballin' ideas- that is a unique lock design
My first thought was it is an Afghan gun, but the stock is nowhere near ornate enough. Then I found this photo of an English rifle with Ottoman barrel. You can see that the barrel is a separate component fitted to the breech. Except for the obvious cosmetic differences, the lock and breech design/layout is a close match to yours.
Besides the attached photo, here is a link to the site with more photos and information about the actual rifle.
https://www.mandarinmansion.com/item...ottoman-barrel
My guess- Bubba started with a plain Jane circa 1820 English rifle in rough shape, manufactured replacement parts, and cobbled together a barrel to fit. Maybe even drilled and tapped that screw below the nipple for a slip fit barrel lock? Or maybe it was designed that way by the manufacturer (likely either George or William Davison) to allow for easy barrel/calibre changes for industrial customers?
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12-14-2021, 05:51 PM
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My first thought was it is an Afghan gun, but the stock is nowhere near ornate enough. Then I found this photo of an English rifle with Ottoman barrel. You can see that the barrel is a separate component fitted to the breech. Except for the obvious cosmetic differences, the lock and breech design/layout is a close match to yours.
Besides the attached photo, here is a link to the site with more photos and information about the actual rifle.
https://www.mandarinmansion.com/item...ottoman-barrel
My guess- Bubba started with a plain Jane circa 1820 English rifle in rough shape, manufactured replacement parts, and cobbled together a barrel to fit. Maybe even drilled and tapped that screw below the nipple for a slip fit barrel lock? Or maybe it was designed that way by the manufacturer (likely either George or William Davison) to allow for easy barrel/calibre changes for industrial customers? |
Looking at the breeching system, I'm tempted to say it was a shotgun, not your usual breech plug. I was originally thinking some kind of Trade gun.
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12-14-2021, 06:33 PM
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Too late to edit the previous post
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Looking at the breeching system, I'm tempted to say it was a shotgun, not your usual breech plug. I was originally thinking some kind of Trade gun.
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Trade gun! That's the word I was looking for! Thanks Grizz, that is likely the case.
I was focused on the unique design of the lock (trigger, guard, access plate, and hammer) and the breech design with the integrated nipple. That was the only example I could find that matched Bakerguy's pistol. Since the Ottoman rifle was chambered in .58 calibre, that breech is quite large to begin with. Although it would have been easy to scale the breech casting to shotgun dimensions.
I am assuming (without verifying) that design was patented by the Davison's, and was not as prolific as many other muzzle loader designs of the time.
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thank you urban redneck. yes i knew i had seen that lock before, could be it.
and please original poster make sure it is rendered unusable if going wall hang it. would only take once for wrong person to see it around and could loose p.a.l for not having a restricted not properly locked up. cant be to careful only takes once. even bubbas work can still be defined as working, even if working means once and it blows up. sorry if im overly safe. having 3 house checks in a yr due to over zealous security guards and a rotten person living next door has made me so thankfull i store and lock stuff up over and above the book requirements.
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