New rifle for the Rangers.

[warbridle]

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/nation...nadian-rangers

[rugatika]

I like it. Looks like a metal 10 round mag? 22" barrel?

I wonder if they'll be available to the public

[58thecat]

Looks like a ruger scout riflemaybe should have looked in that direction too

[Bolete]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Looks like a ruger scout riflemaybe should have looked in that direction too

They did. Ruger wouldn't release their data to Colt Canada to build them here.

[Unregistered user]

Artic armies don't carry bolt guns any more, why should the rangers. Armalite was .308 originally and many are sold that way today. Canada could buy SKS rifles at $50 a pop and they would be way ahead as many of the issued rifles are damaged beyond repair due to the harsh usage. Sako? Hah!

[airbornedeerhunter]

Originally Posted by Unregistered user

Artic armies don't carry bolt guns any more, why should the rangers. Armalite was .308 originally and many are sold that way today. Canada could buy SKS rifles at $50 a pop and they would be way ahead as many of the issued rifles are damaged beyond repair due to the harsh usage. Sako? Hah!

The Rangers aren't the Army!! Oh and the trials for these rifles were conducted by professional full time Infantry soldiers with input and participation from the Rangers in Arctic conditions so are you saying you know better than them?

Oh, and every professional army in the world still uses bolt guns! The Rangers mandate is NOT defence! It is presence, nothing more.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Bolete

They did. Ruger wouldn't release their data to Colt Canada to build them here.

Don't blame them either on that decision.

[bat119]

I wonder what type/brand of ammunition they use for reliable results down to 40 below?

[Prairiewolf]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Looks like a ruger scout riflemaybe should have looked in that direction too

I thought the same thing - both good looking guns. Like Okotokian said, I thought Colt was in receivership, so not sure how this impacts the order/contract.

Question for the military guys - do these get a scope as well? How are they chosen?

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Prairiewolf

I thought the same thing - both good looking guns. Like Okotokian said, I thought Colt was in receivership, so not sure how this impacts the order/contract.

Question for the military guys - do these get a scope as well? How are they chosen?

Myself personally speaking would leave them as is due to their purpose of shots under 200 yards which is very capeable of achieving in its current configuration. Throw into the equation the handling, environment etc the majority stay as is however there would be a few for special application that would carry a scope.

[Dewey Cox]

Looks good.
Just wish they would sell the old enfields. I assume they'll melt them.

[CaberTosser]

If Colt Canada is to produce the barrel, bolt & receiver under licence are they a separate entity from Colt in the US which is undergoing receivership? It would be hard to get those made if the machinery is currently on the auction block.......

[st99]

plastic bolt shroud, I guess they don't know the effect of -50 on plastic

[marxman]

Originally Posted by st99

plastic bolt shroud, I guess they don't know the effect of -50 on plastic

i bet they do know and you dont

[airbornedeerhunter]

Originally Posted by st99

plastic bolt shroud, I guess they don't know the effect of -50 on plastic

I'm sure they do! The rifles was trialed in the arctic by the military with the rangers and is the one selected with input from both groups.

[V_1]

Originally Posted by st99

plastic bolt shroud, I guess they don't know the effect of -50 on plastic

Plastics have gone long way, but bias about them here to stay it seams.

[HighlandHeart]

Originally Posted by V_1

Plastics have gone long way, but bias about them here to stay it seams.

I lived up north for six years and I've seen lots of plastic break in extreme cold. It is hard on equipment when it is in the cold for weeks at a time and it is hard for people to understand unless they have lived in it.

[benamen]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

If Colt Canada is to produce the barrel, bolt & receiver under licence are they a separate entity from Colt in the US which is undergoing receivership? It would be hard to get those made if the machinery is currently on the auction block.......

Quote from CBC News
Famed U.S. gun maker Colt Defense said it filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on Sunday in Delaware.

The company has a Canadian factory in Kitchener, Ont., which employs 110 people and produces the C7 and C8 assault rifles used by the Canadian military. Colt said the bankruptcy filing will have no impact on employees in Canada and the United States, including at its Kitchener plant.

[Unregistered user]

I'll bet one of those will cost twice as much as a C7 but I guess the gubby doesn't want our first line of defence toting scary army guns.

[220swifty]

Originally Posted by Unregistered user

I'll bet one of those will cost twice as much as a C7 but I guess the gubby doesn't want our first line of defence toting scary army guns.

You might want to educate yourself more on the operational requirements of the rifle.

[rugatika]

http://www.army-armee.forces.gc.ca/e...ers/index.page

[recce43]

bolt action rifle us more reliable than gas operated weapons in extreme conditions. plus this rifle is to be used for hunting . 308 round

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Unregistered user

I'll bet one of those will cost twice as much as a C7 but I guess the gubby doesn't want our first line of defence toting scary army guns.

Originally Posted by recce43

bolt action rifle us more reliable than gas operated weapons in extreme conditions. plus this rifle is to be used for hunting . 308 round

And for defense against four legged and if need be two legged critters. Very capeable for the application.

[nastycanasta]

Only if I could justify $2630...

http://www.p-d-ent.com/

[airbornedeerhunter]

Originally Posted by Unregistered user

I'll bet one of those will cost twice as much as a C7 but I guess the gubby doesn't want our first line of defence toting scary army guns.

Never mind doesn't want- they aren't allowed! The C7/C8 family are prohibited weapons in Canada because they are assault rifles and have an automatic station on the selector lever. The Rangers are NOT members of the Canadian Forces. The rifles that they are being given are non-restricted for a reason- so they can take them home with them and wherever they go. Military weaponry are bound by a strict set of storage regulations by the CF. ALL weapons must be locked inside an alarmed, coded vault. Inside the vault the weapons are locked inside steel racks with abloy locks. The bolts have to be locked inside a separate locker behind another abloy lock. The keys for the racks are held either at the duty center or MP shack and those keys are inside another container locked with an abloy lock. Those regs defeat the purpose of having the Rangers with a rifle they can use whenever they want.

Second, 5.56mm is NOT a round that these guys want. The rifle is mainly used for hunting and defence from Polar Bears. The .308 is more than adequate for those purposes. 5.56mm- not so much

[Unregistered user]

Originally Posted by airbornedeerhunter

Never mind doesn't want- they aren't allowed! The C7/C8 family are prohibited weapons in Canada because they are assault rifles and have an automatic station on the selector lever. The Rangers are NOT members of the Canadian Forces. The rifles that they are being given are non-restricted for a reason- so they can take them home with them and wherever they go. Military weaponry are bound by a strict set of storage regulations by the CF. ALL weapons must be locked inside an alarmed, coded vault. Inside the vault the weapons are locked inside steel racks with abloy locks. The bolts have to be locked inside a separate locker behind another abloy lock. The keys for the racks are held either at the duty center or MP shack and those keys are inside another container locked with an abloy lock. Those regs defeat the purpose of having the Rangers with a rifle they can use whenever they want.

Second, 5.56mm is NOT a round that these guys want. The rifle is mainly used for hunting and defence from Polar Bears. The .308 is more than adequate for those purposes. 5.56mm- not so much

It's just a gun.

[norwestalta]

I thought the c7 was made by Mattel.

[airbornedeerhunter]

Originally Posted by Unregistered user

It's just a gun.

I agree it's just a gun but that doesn't change the fact that the military is not going to give 5000 assault rifles to civilians. Again, the rules regarding the storage, issuance and positive control over DND weaponry are there for a reason.

But more importantly, the C7 does not suit their needs, has way too many small parts when detail stripped, the cartridge is too small to fill their requirements and they don't want it anyway.

[HighlandHeart]

Originally Posted by Unregistered user

I'll bet one of those will cost twice as much as a C7 but I guess the gubby doesn't want our first line of defence toting scary army guns.

I've lived outside at -40 for days at a time in the Sub-Arctic and I've spent a few years carrying a C-7. Any rifle that is made mostly out of plastic is a horrible fit for a situation where it is -40. I'm glad the government is spending money on Sako rifles for rangers, in fact I'm surprised they didn't choose Norinco bolt action rifles instead.

[trooper]

Originally Posted by HighlandHeart

I've lived outside at -40 for days at a time in the Sub-Arctic and I've spent a few years carrying a C-7. Any rifle that is made mostly out of plastic is a horrible fit for a situation where it is -40. I'm glad the government is spending money on Sako rifles for rangers, in fact I'm surprised they didn't choose Norinco bolt action rifles instead.

Norinco!? They are a pile of doodoo! I had a Norc JW in 5.56 and that rifle was sent back to the dealer who gave me a complete and full refund. After that escapade, I swore never to own a piece of garbage ever again.