View Poll Results: How do you count a 4 x 4 White Tail Deer ?
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Count the brow tines
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Don't count the brow tines
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11-02-2023, 01:26 PM
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Edm.
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How do you count a 4 x4 White tail or a Mule deer ?
So many people count them differently.
I guess I am old school as back in the day when it came to mule deer you could only shoot a 3 pointer and brow tines were not included in the count .
So we did not include it with whitetails when we would say shot a nice 4x4
Last edited by -JR-; 11-02-2023 at 01:33 PM.
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11-02-2023, 01:36 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2021
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A 4x4 whitetail all points on one side including brow tine is counted.
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11-02-2023, 02:13 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2010
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Yeah I count brow times on white tail, but on mule deer not so much. Unless it’s non typical, then we can go nuts lol
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11-02-2023, 02:51 PM
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I count them all even the ones that haven’t grown yet
This is a 12 point.
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11-02-2023, 04:30 PM
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Brow tine is a scorable point. All there is to it.
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11-02-2023, 05:10 PM
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Join Date: May 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by -JR-
So many people count them differently.
I guess I am old school as back in the day when it came to mule deer you could only shoot a 3 pointer and brow tines were not included in the count .
So we did not include it with whitetails when we would say shot a nice 4x4
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Your three point mule deer required three points of a prescribed length. Brow tines would have counted for that requirement.
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11-02-2023, 05:28 PM
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Edm.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pathfinder76
Your three point mule deer required three points of a prescribed length. Brow tines would have counted for that requirement.
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Nope back in the day they were not counted
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11-02-2023, 05:31 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Ft. McMurray
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We always counted them like I believe the B &C scores them, white tails yes, Mule deer no.
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11-02-2023, 05:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pathfinder76
Your three point mule deer required three points of a prescribed length. Brow tines would have counted for that requirement.
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Nope back in the day they were not counted . Back then we had metal tags and in most of the antelope zones I remember they had the 3 point or bigger rule for mule deer and in the regs it showed a picture where you had 3 points on one side and a large brow tine and an arrow pointing to the brow tine saying not included in the count . Other wize every one would be shooting fork horns with a bow tine .
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11-02-2023, 05:54 PM
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Join Date: May 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by -JR-
Nope back in the day they were not counted . Back then we had metal tags and in most of the antelope zones I remember they had the 3 point or bigger rule for mule deer and in the regs it showed a picture where you had 3 points on one side and a large brow tine and an arrow pointing to the brow tine saying not included in the count . Other wize every one would be shooting fork horns with a bow tine .
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That’s how dumb people making these stupid rules are. How many little Mule Deer fork horns have you seen with a score-able brow tine?
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11-02-2023, 06:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 58thecat
I count them all even the ones that haven’t grown yet
This is a 12 point.
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Nice. I have shot some 12 pointers that weren’t even that big.
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11-02-2023, 06:08 PM
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Historically brow times were counted on whitetail but not mulie. Problem is, like the OP, people extend all kinds of interpretations out from the original idea. Not with any kind of nefarious intent, just whatever they thought makes sense.
Stupid rule anyway. Glad it’s gone.
I say I shot a buck or a doe. Rarely mention the horns
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11-02-2023, 07:24 PM
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I like to count every point because it drives people crazy
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11-02-2023, 07:36 PM
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Join Date: May 2014
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Nice gun.
QUOTE=58thecat;4672908]I count them all even the ones that haven’t grown yet
This is a 12 point.
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11-02-2023, 08:03 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by catnthehat
We always counted them like I believe the B &C scores them, white tails yes, Mule deer no.
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For sure people always look at a mulie, and if it's got the front forks and back forks it's a '4 point', and ignore brow tines if present, but again, brow points are a scorable point, whether it's a mulie or whitetail.
Of course mule deer are weird and even big mulies sometimes don't have brow tines, but if they do they are scored.
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It's time to go hunting and quit all this ballistic masturbation."
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11-02-2023, 08:57 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2021
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Demonical
For sure people always look at a mulie, and if it's got the front forks and back forks it's a '4 point', and ignore brow tines if present, but again, brow points are a scorable point, whether it's a mulie or whitetail.
Of course mule deer are weird and even big mulies sometimes don't have brow tines, but if they do they are scored.
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You gotta remember grizzly that point needs to exceed a inch in order for it to be scored as a point either whitetail or mulie.
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11-02-2023, 09:17 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Whitecourt
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtsyneil
You gotta remember grizzly that point needs to exceed a inch in order for it to be scored as a point either whitetail or mulie.
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A point must be minimum 1" and length must exceed the width of the base...
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Last edited by Demonical; 11-02-2023 at 09:25 PM.
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11-03-2023, 05:22 AM
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My old hunting partner used to say if the point is long enough to poke your eye out count it points were never important to me years ago I was a meat hunter, now though if it's not a wall hanger it will keep on trucking.
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11-03-2023, 07:52 AM
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Me and my hunting partners have always counted WT the same as MD.
We know that WT will more than likely have brow tines so we dont feel the need to add them to the count.
This way the count is consistent between MD, WT and elk.
Count them how you like and don't let anyone tell you you're doing if wrong.
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11-03-2023, 08:15 AM
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The brow tines on a whitetail can add significantly to the score, so we count them. On the other hand, the brow tines on a mule deer rarely add much at all, so we don't count them . I do get a laugh when someone from the east adds both sides, to try and make a buck sound bigger.
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11-03-2023, 06:15 PM
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Join Date: May 2007
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Come Nov 1 . I don't even want to shoot a buck unless its worth mounting .
Had a doe and a buck at the end Oct and the buck meat smelt like a dog ****ed all over it ...... I guess thats way people make pepperoni out of it
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11-04-2023, 07:11 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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I count with my fingers, but if its a real big one I take off my boots!
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