Need Load Speer 200 RN

[Davey Boy]

I have looked in all my manuals and I find nothing on this bullet. Speer 200 RN. It's an old yellow box and is full (50) and would like to find a load for it in .308 Win and 30.06 Sprngfld. It would be in the older manuals of which I have none, all newer. Any load info would be appreciated. Even if you experts who have been loading for a time would suggest a load using Varget or RL 15 that would be safe to start with.

[elkdump]

imr 4831 53gr start, 57.0gr max ------ 30-06 ---- LRP primers

imr 4350 51gr start, 55.0gr max------- 30-06 ---LRP primers

max loads about 2600+ fps with 22 inch barrel

[Davey Boy]

Thank you sir. Anybody got any more.

[elkdump]

Originally Posted by Davey Boy

Thank you sir. Anybody got any more.

MODERN powder data for Nosler Partition 30 caliber,200 gr loads would be safe as the bullet bearing surface and weight is pretty much identical,, use starting load data and work up till you show signs of high pressure (primer flattening indicators)or run out of case capacity

[DaleJ]

Davey Boy
I don't understand what prohibits you from using data for "any" 200 gr 30 caliber bullet for either cartridge you mention, for the bullet you have? That's why all manuals suggest/instruct to start at lower powder charges and work up. The latest Sierra, Nosler, and Hornady manuals will list bullet groups and give various loads for 150, 155 gr spitzers, round nose, hollow point boat tails etc, as a group.

If I have something goofy like a 6.5 cal, 133 gr bullet, I start with data for 130 gr and work up from there. Bullet shape and bearing surface length will at some point alter pressure curves but that's usually on the other side of maximum.

[Davey Boy]

Reason I ask Dale is that I'm brand new to reloading and want to follow the manuals to a T. My manuals do state loads for a 200 just not for that shape.
Because of my inexperience I feel better asking. Safer that way.

And thank you all for your responses. Things are clarified for me now.

[CheeseBurger]

I'll see if I can find anything for you when I get home on Monday from Canmore. Dale is right though about using any 200 gr load data as this is why you start loads well below max. Working up is just that. That being said I understand your cautiousness.

[Davey Boy]

No I will never start any new loads, except from the minimum and work upwards. Just being cautious as it is a heavy bullet and because I can't find any that resemble it, I thought I'd ask. Think these are antigue. Will have to ask Speer when they discontinued them.

[elkdump]

Originally Posted by Davey Boy

No I will never start any new loads, except from the minimum and work upwards. Just being cautious as it is a heavy bullet and because I can't find any that resemble it, I thought I'd ask. Think these are antigue. Will have to ask Speer when they discontinued them.

220 gr, 230 gr and 250gr are the ORIGINAL HEAVY bullets for a .30 caliber( 30-06) load some of these up in a light 30-06 rifle and the recoil will turn your brains to mush !

[Davey Boy]

Originally Posted by elkdump

220 gr, 230 gr and 250gr are the ORIGINAL HEAVY bullets for a .30 caliber( 30-06) load some of these up in a light 30-06 rifle and the recoil will turn your brains to mush !

Thinking in a .308. But my friend has a 30.06 maybe give him a surprise. I'm loading for both guns. Like I say that is rather a large bullet, although small in today's comparison to the bigger calibres.

[elkdump]

Originally Posted by Davey Boy

Thinking in a .308. But my friend has a 30.06 maybe give him a surprise. I'm loading for both guns. Like I say that is rather a large bullet, although small in today's comparison to the bigger calibres.

200 grn'ers in a .308 are not a good combo, the 200 grn bullet takes up TOO much case capacity,powder loss resulting in low velocities making the load rather ANEMIC,

for the .308 Winch 150gr and 165 gr bullets are KING !

[Davey Boy]

Well may have to save my shoulder then, and load them up for my buddy to try in his 30.06. Guess I should give him heads up though. He said he fired off a box last weekend of 150's and his shoulder was black and blue. Before I go to the trouble loading up the 200's I better ask him if he wants to try them or not.

[DaleJ]

Originally Posted by elkdump

200 grn'ers in a .308 are not a good combo, the 200 grn bullet takes up TOO much case capacity,powder loss resulting in low velocities making the load rather ANEMIC,

for the .308 Winch 150gr and 165 gr bullets are KING !

Apparently the FTR competitors shooting 208 and 210 gr bullets don't get it.