Fed up with rural break ins

[NCC]

If you set up cameras and alarms, ensure that you have battery back up. My friend got hit and the thieves threw the main disconnect on the pole before approaching the house.

His binos showed up on the local Buy and Sell a week later and the RCMP wouldn't check it out.

[^v^Tinda wolf^v^]

It seems as though these criminals have no fear that they might be carried away in a body bag. Fortunately some victims feel the same way and I'm looking forward to the read when these scum bags finally find what they keep looking for

[grouse_hunter]

Originally Posted by Wolftrapper

Really??
I don't know wether to laugh or cry about this advice. I guess I'll have to get myself one of these lawyers.

There is only one lawyer in Edmonton (that I know of) that's willing to talk about such matters, $400 for 1 hour consultation. Are you unaware of the difference between the admiralty law of the sea and the common law? A lot of interesting information is at your fingertips...

[dgl1948]

My buddy had his shed on the farm broken into. Before they could completly loot the place they were chased off. As it happens they crooks took a road allowance that ended in a slough and they were stuck. They knew a young fellow in town so they called him for a tow. When he pulled them out he noticed a bunch of stuff they had in the vehicle. A couple of days later he heard about the thefts at my buddies and recognised some of the things he saw to be the same as the stolen items. He went to my buddy and told him about it but asked not to be identified as he felt for his safety if these crooks found out who tipped the law off. My buddy went to the RCMP and they would do nothing. They said that it was just hearsay and not enough to act on. In other words they were just to lazy to do their job.

[Newview01]

So even after all these posts clearly demonstrating there is a serious problem, some AOers would rather this problem continue unabated than give people the chance to take make a serious difference.

[fitzy]

Originally Posted by Newview01

So even after all these posts clearly demonstrating there is a serious problem, some AOers would rather this problem continue unabated than give people the chance to take make a serious difference.

Demand responsibility from police and your MP. Do something besides be a keyboard warrior.

I don't think green lighting wanna be rambos is the answer.

[Wolftrapper]

Originally Posted by fitzy

Demand responsibility from police and your MP. Do something besides be a keyboard warrior.

I don't think green lighting wanna be rambos is the answer.

I agree. Tough computer talk does nothing.

[JimPS]

Get of the keyboard and get involved with "The Eyes and Ears of Rural Alberta".

http://www.ruralcrimewatch.ab.ca/

[Bitumen Bullet]

Originally Posted by fitzy

Demand responsibility from police and your MP. Do something besides be a keyboard warrior.....

That's being a keyboard warrior, unless you are suggesting stone tablets......oh wait maybe that is what you are suggesting. Personally delivering stone tablets, by air, into the offices of those officials who answer to the party, or political correctness or business and industry rather than the people.

To bad voting isn't doing the trick. It was meant to avoid such tactics.

[Bergerboy]

Originally Posted by pitw

I'd sooner live in a septic tank.

If you live in a septic tank, break ins would be unlikely.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by fitzy

Demand responsibility from police and your MP. Do something besides be a keyboard warrior.

I don't think green lighting wanna be rambos is the answer.

A lot of the incidents were reported to the police, who proceeded to make little, if any difference.

What have you done to help the situation?

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by JimPS

Get of the keyboard and get involved with "The Eyes and Ears of Rural Alberta".

http://www.ruralcrimewatch.ab.ca/

Just curious, what does the rural crime watch do to prevent crime?

[fitzy]

Originally Posted by Newview01

A lot of the incidents were reported to the police, who proceeded to make little, if any difference.

What have you done to help the situation?

I write letters to every political figure I can think of. I help with a rural crime watch group, I'm also part of a group that gets a mass notification if any local business gets an alarm. If the police don't do their job move up the ladder, make noise, contact their boss, contact the paper, write letters.

I know a farmer that beat an intruder black and blue with a shovel handle. thought he had his problems solved.
His barn with 3 horses in it was burned down a month later. He wishes he would have just held them for the police.

Now what have you done to help the situation?

[Tactical Lever]

Originally Posted by fitzy

I write letters to every political figure I can think of. I help with a rural crime watch group, I'm also part of a group that gets a mass notification if any local business gets an alarm. If the police don't do their job move up the ladder, make noise, contact their boss, contact the paper, write letters.

I know a farmer that beat an intruder black and blue with a shovel handle. thought he had his problems solved.
His barn with 3 horses in it was burned down a month later. He wishes he would have just held them for the police.

Now what have you done to help the situation?

Is that really what he wishes? I had something of some value stolen once. Part of me wishes I had caught them. They probably wouldn't have hit me again, but then again I probably would still be serving time.

[fitzy]

Originally Posted by Tactical Lever

Is that really what he wishes? I had something of some value stolen once. Part of me wishes I had caught them. They probably wouldn't have hit me again, but then again I probably would still be serving time.

Yes it is what he wishes, He caught them stealing 2 jerry cans of gas, 1 got away and he caught 1, laid a bad beating on him and let him go told him to never come back. He thought he handled it right then lost almost 20 thousand dollars in horses. His daughter used them for some kind of riding, plus the tack, plus the building.
He also knows they know where he lives and he's scared to leave his kids home alone.

You take the law in your hands and you're also left holding the repercussions of it, there's a lot more to it than I'll just shoot some body and they'll never bother me again.

[Tactical Lever]

Originally Posted by fitzy

Yes it is what he wishes, He caught them stealing 2 jerry cans of gas, 1 got away and he caught 1, laid a bad beating on him and let him go told him to never come back. He thought he handled it right then lost almost 20 thousand dollars in horses. His daughter used them for some kind of riding, plus the tack, plus the building.
He also knows they know where he lives and he's scared to leave his kids home alone.

You take the law in your hands and you're also left holding the repercussions of it, there's a lot more to it than I'll just shoot some body and they'll never bother me again.

No; that's for sure. That's a bad deal. If they are that haywire, you never know what they will do. Of course, they are lucky they are still walking around, too.

There are a few people out there that would put them out of their misery for that kind of indiscretion. BTW, I'm not advocating that kind of action; but those types shouldn't be allowed to walk around with people.

[dutchess]

Originally Posted by Ranch11

Man, I'm fed up with rural break ins. Lately there's some loser driving around in a white regular cab dodge pickup and a white Nissan pickup. This Yahoo is driving through fences to scout his next job. We've phoned the RCMP, the local peace officers, the MD, contacted the local government, contacted the provincial government, and recently contacted the federal government. Personally, I think it's a form of terrorism. Nobody wants to leave their houses in fear of these SOB's hitting their place. We've tried to from a rural crime watch, but it has to be accepted by the council ??? I don't understand this. I understand they don't want vigilantes, but what's to stop a few neighbours from getting together? We're totally at a loss at what to do! And the local staff saergent at the RCMP detachment has made a public statement to not confront these individuals and let the RCMP do their job. We haven't seen a RCMP patrol in 4 yrs.

Hard times, brings out peoples true colors.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by dutchess

Hard times, brings out peoples true colors.

And good times and ugly times.
Scum are scum without the excuses.

[Rancid Crabtree]

Originally Posted by fitzy

I know a farmer that beat an intruder black and blue with a shovel handle. thought he had his problems solved.
His barn with 3 horses in it was burned down a month later. He wishes he would have just held them for the police.

Now what have you done to help the situation?

Let me guess the RCMP have not laid any charges in the barn fire??
Probably much more interested in charging the farmer for beating the kid. Solving the fire would involve investigating.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by Tactical Lever

Is that really what he wishes? I had something of some value stolen once. Part of me wishes I had caught them. They probably wouldn't have hit me again, but then again I probably would still be serving time.

A dead thief can't testify. Nor will he/she steal again!

SSS is a very permanent solution. Our legal system doesn't deal justice to the victim. There's no deterent to these waste's of fresh air!

BW

[Bergerboy]

Here is a guy who tried to take the law in his own hands.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/edmon.../15849066.html

McGrath, a general contractor and father of four sons, was a missing person until RCMP recovered his body from the hole on Allen's property in October 2005.

Court heard Allen told undercover Mounties during a sting operation that he attacked McGrath with an elbow and a "dead-blow" hammer and "milked him" of his blood over the drain in his meat shop.

The Crown told the jury Allen was fed up with McGrath for not paying him rent for operating a wood-cutting business on his property and was also upset because his wife was hounding him to do something about it.

[CanuckShooter]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

Here is a guy who tried to take the law in his own hands.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/edmon.../15849066.html

McGrath, a general contractor and father of four sons, was a missing person until RCMP recovered his body from the hole on Allen's property in October 2005.

Court heard Allen told undercover Mounties during a sting operation that he attacked McGrath with an elbow and a "dead-blow" hammer and "milked him" of his blood over the drain in his meat shop.

The Crown told the jury Allen was fed up with McGrath for not paying him rent for operating a wood-cutting business on his property and was also upset because his wife was hounding him to do something about it.

So Allen was the last victim of McGrath. Likely putting an early end to a long life of cutting wood and not paying his rent.

[Bergerboy]

Originally Posted by CanuckShooter

So Allen was the last victim of McGrath. Likely putting an early end to a long life of cutting wood and not paying his rent.

25 year sentence, but hey in 2031 he will still have lots of wood for the fireplace when he gets out.

[NCC]

When performing the 3 S's, shut up is most important step and the apparently the most difficult.

[fitzy]

Originally Posted by Rancid Crabtree

Let me guess the RCMP have not laid any charges in the barn fire??
Probably much more interested in charging the farmer for beating the kid. Solving the fire would involve investigating.

No charges were laid on him or anybody else. He told them everything. They told him next time chase them away or hold till help arrives. He had no idea if there were more people in the dark or if they had weapons.
Found an empty 5 gallon pail gas had been carried in. Nothing else. He never even had a real description from the first incident.

[fitzy]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

A dead thief can't testify. Nor will he/she steal again!

SSS is a very permanent solution. Our legal system doesn't deal justice to the victim. There's no deterent to these waste's of fresh air!

BW

True but he had his barn burned down for a beating .... maybe his wife and daughter are raped and murdered for a shooting?

Feel free to do what you like. A guy that's been through it advocates for using the police.

Don't like the legal system get it changed.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

Here is a guy who tried to take the law in his own hands.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/edmon.../15849066.html

McGrath, a general contractor and father of four sons, was a missing person until RCMP recovered his body from the hole on Allen's property in October 2005.

Court heard Allen told undercover Mounties during a sting operation that he attacked McGrath with an elbow and a "dead-blow" hammer and "milked him" of his blood over the drain in his meat shop.

The Crown told the jury Allen was fed up with McGrath for not paying him rent for operating a wood-cutting business on his property and was also upset because his wife was hounding him to do something about it.

I'm not sure this can be compared with your run of the mill b&e.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by fitzy

True but he had his barn burned down for a beating .... maybe his wife and daughter are raped and murdered for a shooting?

Feel free to do what you like. A guy that's been through it advocates for using the police.

Don't like the legal system get it changed.

I would hope if there was a shooting, wife and daughter are well trained to also perform said shooting. Plus, just another reason why we should have concealed carry. It seems you just want to live in fear of the criminal.

[Bergerboy]

Originally Posted by Newview01

I'm not sure this can be compared with your run of the mill b&e.

Take the law into your own hands and this is what happens. How is someone you know that is stealing from you different than someone you dont know. Vigilantism is not tolerated in Canada.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

Take the law into your own hands and this is what happens. How is someone you know that is stealing from you different than someone you dont know. Vigilantism is not tolerated in Canada.

By not run of the mill I mean Allen was a psycho. But mcgrath was a serial criminal for not paying rent for extended periods of time, and Allen was likely not the first victim.

PS - it seems the lack of justice served is also not tolerated. What should be tolerated more? Vigilantism or lack of justice?