Fed up with rural break ins

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by Rio56

I think you have expressed your thoughts and opinion well ....

And you are ridiculing his devotion to self defense.

[Rio56]

Originally Posted by Newview01

And you are ridiculing his devotion to self defense.

no.. I am ridiculing his means of doing that , which in a trespassing and theft is off the wall ...... just as I am with you ... I'm not gonna reply on this thread anymore ... my point is the hot talk and big boys is fine but we all know it's just that ,talk, and nothing more .. you have the opportunity already to meet intruders with guns ... go for it ....

[shell_guy]

Originally Posted by Rio56

no.. I am ridiculing his means of doing that , which in a trespassing and theft is off the wall ...... just as I am with you ... I'm not gonna reply on this thread anymore ... my point is the hot talk and big boys is fine but we all know it's just that ,talk, and nothing more .. you have the opportunity already to meet intruders with guns ... go for it ....

Meeting the intruders with guns would be against the law, I would prefer to leave the law breaking to the criminals.

[waterninja]

Another thread being blown way out of proportion. someone complains about some rural breakin's, and all the keyboard warriors are loading their weapons, forming lynch mobs and thinking they are going to show the RCMP and other law enforcement how it's done. Most of you hero's would pizz your pant's if confronted by some serious criminals, and at best shoot yourself's or a loved one. Your macho posts are embarrassing.
Maybe you should start by securing your property and valuables.Good fence's and gate's, are a deterrent. Proper lighting and some camera's are not amiss. alarm system. Letting your neighbours know when your gone so they can keep an eye out. How about a dog?. There are a lot of things you can do to prevent yourself from becoming another victim. Your local RCMP or police service can give you plenty of tips. They are not as stupid as you think.
No matter what you do, you can still be the victim of a crime. It's frustrating, maddening and expensive. By the way, who gives a **** what it's like in Montana? You should see what it's like in N Korea.

It's all good in the hood

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Musk e

Aight that the truth.
I know of a fella down there who has shot 3 guys on 3 different occasions for breaking into his custom bike shop.
D.O.A every time

If our laws allowed us to do the same, the number of break ins would drop significantly, but unfortunately our laws are designed to protect the criminals.

[JimPS]

Originally Posted by waterninja

Another thread being blown way out of proportion. someone complains about some rural breakin's, and all the keyboard warriors are loading their weapons, forming lynch mobs and thinking they are going to show the RCMP and other law enforcement how it's done. Most of you hero's would pizz your pant's if confronted by some serious criminals, and at best shoot yourself's or a loved one. Your macho posts are embarrassing.
Maybe you should start by securing your property and valuables.Good fence's and gate's, are a deterrent. Proper lighting and some camera's are not amiss. alarm system. Letting your neighbours know when your gone so they can keep an eye out. How about a dog?. There are a lot of things you can do to prevent yourself from becoming another victim. Your local RCMP or police service can give you plenty of tips. They are not as stupid as you think.
No matter what you do, you can still be the victim of a crime. It's frustrating, maddening and expensive. By the way, who gives a **** what it's like in Montana? You should see what it's like in N Korea.

It's all good in the hood

Good points - but they're all to complex and time consuming considering that concealed carry and the right to kill human beings will solve all the problems of society. Ha Ha. It's still great in the hood tonight.

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

If our laws allowed us to do the same, the number of break ins would drop significantly, but unfortunately our laws are designed to protect the criminals.

No! They are designed to protect people!

[Positrac]

Wow. I'm starting to think that all the farms I drove onto looking for permission to hunt while down south last November might not have been such a great idea. I didn't realize that there was such an issue with B&E's.

I'd hate to think that if I was in Montana I might have been shot.

[silverdoctor]

There have been a number of cases in Canada where defense of home didn't result in the arrest or charging of a homeowner. Look them up.

Defense of home doesn't equate to shooting an unarmed intruder dead in Canada, you will go down for murder (definitely be charged and dragged through the court - unless there was a true reason for you to be afraid for your life. An unarmed thief trying to steal your wife drawers doesn't cut it.

Thief breaks into your home, you have a shotgun - chances are very good they are going to back out and never come back. And what are the chances that a thief is going to report you for pointing a firearms at them - when they were clearly breaking the law in the first place? No harm no foul would have a high probability here.

You want to protect your home with a firearm? Go for it, I'll never be at the receiving end of it

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

An unarmed thief trying to steal your wife drawers doesn't cut it.

How do you know said thief is unarmed.
How do you know said thief only wants your wife's unmentionables.
Are you willing to give the thief the benefit of the doubt?

At no point should a criminal in Canada expect to leave the property he/she is burglarizing alive. The problem is far too many of you believe that the criminal has the right to something.

At no point did I say that I would immediately shoot anyone on my property, but I hope I would do the right thing to protect my family and if the criminal has to die, so be it.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by JimPS

Good points - but they're all to complex and time consuming considering that concealed carry and the right to kill human beings will solve all the problems of society. Ha Ha. It's still great in the hood tonight.

Does giving an individual the right to self defense mean the individual has the right to kill human beings?

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by Newview01

How do you know said thief is unarmed.
How do you know said thief only wants your wife's unmentionables.
Are you willing to give the thief the benefit of the doubt?

At no point should a criminal in Canada expect to leave the property he/she is burglarizing alive. The problem is far too many of you believe that the criminal has the right to something.

At no point did I say that I would immediately shoot anyone on my property, but I hope I would do the right thing to protect my family and if the criminal has to die, so be it.

Well, try it and find out - up to you to decide... If the thief is unarmed, you're going to dance.

[shell_guy]

Originally Posted by Positrac

Wow. I'm starting to think that all the farms I drove onto looking for permission to hunt while down south last November might not have been such a great idea. I didn't realize that there was such an issue with B&E's.

I'd hate to think that if I was in Montana I might have been shot.

Based on experience I have had in States you would not have been shot. A normal guy driving into someone's driveway during day light is not a threat.....if you parked your truck around the corner in the middle of the night, snuck up to someone's home, and was wearing a mask then yes you would likely get shot in most States. They still have laws about excessive force, the major difference is that when the police show up, they can decide if it was self defence or not, in Canada you are automatically charged with numerous charges and it will cost you a fortune to defend yourself in court for protecting your family.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

You cant be serious. You would shoot someone over material items? You are aware that you may stop them from stealing your quad, but the next 10 years you do behind bars may get you behind on mortgage payments. If anyone want my stuff just ask. I will leave the house for a predetermined time frame. I will come home "surprised" and will call the police, then insurance buys me new stuff.

Btw, what is your deductible? And does your insurance rates stay the same after multiple claims?

There sure is a lot people here who just want to watch the world burn. People don't respect other people's personal stuff because they aren't held accountable for their actions. Some solutions are suggested, but most of you would rather watch the wound fester.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Well, try it and find out - up to you to decide... If the thief is unarmed, you're going to dance.

I dont disagree that a legal s**tshow would ensue. But that is my point. It shouldn't. If the criminal is unarmed, he has more rights than the legal gun owner. It is so backward I could weep.

PS if this happens to me, I hope someone sets up a gofundme so I can afford a good lawyer

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

No! They are designed to protect people!

They protect the criminals, which encourages crime, which in turn endangers the general public.

[JimPS]

Originally Posted by Newview01

Does giving an individual the right to self defense mean the individual has the right to kill human beings?

In Canada, you already have the right to use appropriate force for self defense, and yes, it can be lethal force if it is justified in the circumstances.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by JimPS

In Canada, you already have the right to use appropriate force for self defense, and yes, it can be lethal force if it is justified in the circumstances.

And a stranger with unknown intent, and unknown state of mind, who may or may not have a weapon, in my house, is not a justifiable situation?

[hilt134]

I live fifteen minutes from the local rcmp we had a abuse case start long before i was born. I live with my folks and in 10 years i saw her outside of the house once. Anyway about 3-4 years ago and the man gets cancer and a restraining order. well her husbad breaks the order comes to her house and eventually threatens to shoot her kids (who are roughly 30 or 40) he leaves and she decides to get the gun from the garage amd lean it up out side for the cops to collect. She tells me this and ill be homest i wasnt sure what to think but as i walked past her house i look at the garage and plain as day was a soft shell rifle case with a rifle in it.

It took five days for the cops to come. I know as well as anyone theres more to the story i dont know. Another person on my street said the cops where called many times and turned away. It ended well thankfully. Im a supporter of the cops but this was ridiculas to me. I couldnt imagine this happening in any other city

[JimPS]

Originally Posted by Newview01

And a stranger with unknown intent, and unknown state of mind, who may or may not have a weapon, in my house, is not a justifiable situation?

As somebody else already told you - "Well, try it and find out - up to you to decide... If the thief is unarmed, you're going to dance"

Guaranteed, even if you can justify it, and you've survived the court/jail ordeal - you'll probably also get a very bad case of PTSD for taking a human life.

That's just another little thing that you never would have anticipated before pulling the trigger.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by JimPS

As somebody else already told you - "Well, try it and find out - up to you to decide... If the thief is unarmed, you're going to dance"

Guaranteed, even if you can justify it, and you've survived the court/jail ordeal - you'll probably also get a very bad case of PTSD for taking a human life.

That's just another little thing that you never would have anticipated before pulling the trigger.

Again, I didn't say it would be a good thing, and I hope I am never in the situation. But you are all happy to see the rights of the victim stripped away and given to the criminal.

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by JimPS

In Canada, you already have the right to use appropriate force for self defense, and yes, it can be lethal force if it is justified in the circumstances.

This!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by Newview01

And a stranger with unknown intent, and unknown state of mind, who may or may not have a weapon, in my house, is not a justifiable situation?

No, not necessarily!

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

No, not necessarily!

Why not?

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by Newview01

Why not?

Wow. Think about it!

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

Wow. Think about it!

I am...

I can't think of a reason to not use the greatest amount of force as possible to keep the perp away from my family.

[obsessed1]

We were in a situation with a couple of thieves 2 years ago that required the use of a firearm to deter them. At no point was the firearm aimed at the intruders but jacking a shell into the chamber sure gave them the message to get moving along. From the time the first 911 call to the first officer on scene was 3 hours 20 minutes. We live rural about 35 min from the nearest rcmp station. The responding officer was great and was almost glad that we responded the way we did and we received no charges. Another officer could have seen the situation differently......the dirt bags pled out of court and got a slap on the wrist. One of the male dirt bags was a repeat offender with multiple B&E and 2 assault charges on his record. If a similar situation happend again I would respond in the same way. Protecting my family is#1 I am prepared to answer for any action that I make in a court

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Newview01

Why not?

Because with our laws, you pretty much have to wait until the person that broke into your home uses that weapon. Then the police will eventually arrive to identify the body/bodies, and write up a report.

[molly]

Originally Posted by Ranch11

Man, I'm fed up with rural break ins. Lately there's some loser driving around in a white regular cab dodge pickup and a white Nissan pickup. This Yahoo is driving through fences to scout his next job. We've phoned the RCMP, the local peace officers, the MD, contacted the local government, contacted the provincial government, and recently contacted the federal government. Personally, I think it's a form of terrorism. Nobody wants to leave their houses in fear of these SOB's hitting their place. We've tried to from a rural crime watch, but it has to be accepted by the council ??? I don't understand this. I understand they don't want vigilantes, but what's to stop a few neighbours from getting together? We're totally at a loss at what to do! And the local staff sergeant at the RCMP detachment has made a public statement to not confront these individuals and let the RCMP do their job. We haven't seen a RCMP patrol in 4 yrs.

I live SE of Longview. We are members of the High Country Rural Crime Watch and I also belong to a secret Facebook group for another crime watch group. Having as many eyes open as possible is key, as well as a fan out communication system. Here is a link to help you get started. Get your neighbours together and get going. The RCMP should help you as they are partners with the ARCWA. Not sure why your MD council would have anything to say about it. Good luck!

http://www.ruralcrimewatch.ab.ca/index.html

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

.....with a real good DSLR camera, awesome zooms lens.

That part got deleted somehow, weird.

Fixed it for you.

Exactly, shoot'em with your game cameras set up on your property.

If they are threatening your family, life etc then it's a different story.

We had a bunch of wankers lurking around and the cameras went up...about all you can do is stay one step ahead of the criminals after all they are not that bright!