Alberta Election Debate Tonight, Apr 23 6:15-8PM

[avb3]

Originally Posted by amosfella

All I heard in that debate was they arguing about how much of the fruit of my labor they were going to take at gunpoint and give to special interest groups...

As for things like healthcare and education not being special interest groups, why are they so afraid of competition from the private sector??

If you like electrical deregulation, which gave us the highest rates in North America, you'll love universal healthcare deregulation.

BTW, Canada spends 33%less as a percentage of GDP than the USA on healthcare.

And gets better results.

We live longer.

[purgatory.sv]

Originally Posted by raab

Jim Prentice would rather his buddies make record profits while employees across this province take pay cuts. Nothing new here from the politically corrupt.

Lets also remember that Prentice could have worked on the budget and economy for another year, but instead decided to waste money and call the election. This after brokering a deal with the official ELECTED opposition of this province to get 9 of their members to cross the floor and cripple the party. Anyone voting for these crooks should look themselves in the mirror and ask if those are the type of people that we want running our province. I know I don't, and can't support the complete lack of integrity from that party!

Your interpretation seems ok.

But it just reflects on what is wrong with politicians and government.

[BlackHeart]

Originally Posted by The Elkster

Ummm you do know the American economy is chugging along better than any other in the world right now. Want to guess who's leading? Might want to whipe the bias out of your eyes.

Your comment he almost made me laugh just like a Bizzaro comic does.

Chugging......you mean choking on so much debt the interest isn't being covered. Unless there is global devaluation of currency, like prior to WW2, there is no way out of the hole Obama put the US in. But considering the shape Greece and the rest of the European PIGS are in, it might be an option the global govt take.

Basically a massive govt tax/expropriation of saving of the middle class through currency/savings devaluation.

If you believe in Obama......keep as much of your net worth in US dollar currency. (but i doubt you'd be so reckless with tour OWN money/finances) If you don't then get the heck out of any currency and into solid revenue generating/producing hard assets.

Place your bets lady and gentlemen,.......and find out if Obamas Socialism is really green 00 on the wheel, where the sociaist spins the wheel, the middle class place bets, and the owners of the house always win and everyone trying to play the game loses. Step right up.

[raab]

Originally Posted by purgatory.sv

Your interpretation seems ok.

But it just reflects on what is wrong with politicians and government.

This is what happens when we have 45 years of the same politicians. For me I think politicians are like diapers. They're both full of crap and should be changed often!

[amosfella]

Originally Posted by avb3

If you like electrical deregulation, which gave us the highest rates in North America, you'll love universal healthcare deregulation.

BTW, Canada spends 33%less as a percentage of GDP than the USA on healthcare.

And gets better results.

We live longer.

Before electrical deregulation, we had to run a generator to have power for about half a year. After deregulation, it's down to 5-7 days a year.

I like the German healthcare system design better...

[ÜberFly]

Greed!same reason why the PCs ( federally and provincially) have failed!!

Originally Posted by chimpac

Why did communism (socialism) in Russia fail. Their answer will tell me if they understand political mistakes of the past.

[Luxor]

Originally Posted by raab

This is what happens when we have 45 years of the same politicians. For me I think politicians are like diapers. They're both full of crap and should be changed often!

This is my new favorite political saying of all time!!!!!

[The Elkster]

Originally Posted by BlackHeart

Your comment he almost made me laugh just like a Bizzaro comic does.

Chugging......you mean choking on so much debt the interest isn't being covered. Unless there is global devaluation of currency, like prior to WW2, there is no way out of the hole Obama put the US in. But considering the shape Greece and the rest of the European PIGS are in, it might be an option the global govt take.

Basically a massive govt tax/expropriation of saving of the middle class through currency/savings devaluation.

If you believe in Obama......keep as much of your net worth in US dollar currency. (but i doubt you'd be so reckless with tour OWN money/finances) If you don't then get the heck out of any currency and into solid revenue generating/producing hard assets.

Place your bets lady and gentlemen,.......and find out if Obamas Socialism is really green 00 on the wheel, where the sociaist spins the wheel, the middle class place bets, and the owners of the house always win and everyone trying to play the game loses. Step right up.

Wealth is all relative. Currency exchanges tell the tale of net value relative to all. Might I remind you Bush started the massive stimulus driving up their debt. Conservative also maintain a military that eclipses the sum total of almost all other countries combined and is the biggest single source of their debt. But I guess that matters more than the health and welfare of your own people. LOL Nice try though. Keep drinking the koolaid

[purgatory.sv]

Originally Posted by raab

This is what happens when we have 45 years of the same politicians. For me I think politicians are like diapers. They're both full of crap and should be changed often!

But it hasn’t been done.

Yet?

This is why fire can be good.

[fishead]

Originally Posted by avb3

If you like electrical deregulation, which gave us the highest rates in North America, you'll love universal healthcare deregulation.

BTW, Canada spends 33%less as a percentage of GDP than the USA on healthcare.

And gets better results.

We live longer.

With all due respect I think you need to read up on de-regulation a little more before making comments about the success or failure of it. I am not saying one way or the other if it was the right thing to do but generalized comments really don't add much credence. For example how much do you think it costs BC to generate their power. current state of Ontario--have a read. It might not seem so on the surface but I think we are doing ok, time will tell.

[Forest Techer]

If you think these guys are having a bad day imagine how danielle smith feels. Lol

The whole shebang would of fallen right into her lap if she would of just kept it together! Lol it's like a soap opera you couldn't write this stuff. And no one gets credit for knowing what was going to happen.

She poisoned the WR well for Albertans. Today People want to see a fiscal alternative on the right more than anything.

Just like getting lost in the woods. You are in trouble 30min before you admit it. I think it's obvious now Alberta lost its way awhile back.

[purgatory.sv]

Originally Posted by fishead

With all due respect I think you need to read up on de-regulation a little more before making comments about the success or failure of it. I am not saying one way or the other if it was the right thing to do but generalized comments really don't add much credence. For example how much do you think it costs BC to generate their power. current state of Ontario--have a read. It might not seem so on the surface but I think we are doing ok, time will tell.

Deregulation only benefits shareholders.

This is where I fail; I am a consumer, not a shareholder.

I am not apposed to growth; I just don’t have the means to participate.

[avb3]

Originally Posted by amosfella

Before electrical deregulation, we had to run a generator to have power for about half a year. After deregulation, it's down to 5-7 days a year.

I like the German healthcare system design better...

I have two cousins who are doctors there.

They would disagree.

[avb3]

Originally Posted by fishead

With all due respect I think you need to read up on de-regulation a little more before making comments about the success or failure of it. I am not saying one way or the other if it was the right thing to do but generalized comments really don't add much credence. For example how much do you think it costs BC to generate their power. current state of Ontario--have a read. It might not seem so on the surface but I think we are doing ok, time will tell.

I spend half my time at my condo in the States, and half in Alberta.

I pay less for power with my AC running full blast in the US, and running my electric water heater, than I pay using virtually no power over winter at my house.

There is something wrong with that system.

[fishead]

Originally Posted by purgatory.sv

Deregulation only benefits shareholders.

This is where I fail; I am a consumer, not a shareholder.

I am not apposed to growth; I just don’t have the means to participate.

Good point while I don't disagree with you I still think you oversimplify. I am just just a working dude myself. Keep in mind that big gov't is not always the be all end all answer to making things better. I guess in the end there is no perfect solution. I do agree that we pay to much, but that applies to everything these days. and by the way there is no going back on this De-reg thing so we might as well talk about solutions, like you said "shareholders"are involved.
This a complicated matter.

[Mackinaw]

Originally Posted by stefk

Despite Rachel Notley clearly owning the debate, you couldn't pay me enough to vote NDP….I think there is going to be a lot of spoiled ballots for election 2015…..

Notley and Jean definitely added the the PC vote tonight.
Half will llike her half will hate her for being annoying but none will vote for her. And Brian Jean could have stayed home and sent a recording.
All in all not a bad night for the PCs

Mack

[Selkirk]

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1) Brian certainly wasn't at the top of his game tonight ... there's no question about that. From what I've heard from insiders, he is still suffering from the very recent loss of his son.

2) Only a fool makes a decision on how to vote, based a one-night political debate.

Mac

[Carriertxv]

Originally Posted by The Elkster

Wealth is all relative. Currency exchanges tell the tale of net value relative to all. Might I remind you Bush started the massive stimulus driving up their debt. Conservative also maintain a military that eclipses the sum total of almost all other countries combined and is the biggest single source of their debt. But I guess that matters more than the health and welfare of your own people. LOL Nice try though. Keep drinking the koolaid

Is that some kind of dipper finance speak?????
You got to explain that to me cause I guess I'm drinking the same koolaid.

[fishead]

Originally Posted by avb3

I spend half my time at my condo in the States, and half in Alberta.

I pay less for power with my AC running full blast in the US, and running my electric water heater, than I pay using virtually no power over winter at my house.

There is something wrong with that system.

Good point, I am not advocating for the setup we have. Just saying that demographics play roll in energy delivery--- keep in mind electricity cannot be stored like other commodities. Demand and supply still playing a role whether deregulated or not.

[fishead]

Originally Posted by fishead

Good point, I am not advocating for the setup we have. Just saying that demographics play roll in energy delivery--- keep in mind electricity cannot be stored like other commodities. Demand and supply still playing a role whether deregulated or not.

It's a lot more complicated than just saying I go somewhere else and it is cheaper.
Guns are probably cheaper in the states too no?

[Forest Techer]

Originally Posted by fishead

Good point, I am not advocating for the setup we have. Just saying that demographics play roll in energy delivery--- keep in mind electricity cannot be stored like other commodities. Demand and supply still playing a role whether deregulated or not.

.....nope. Lots of ways to store energy. Dams do it every year. When dams or nuclear must produce more energy than needed that makes for cheap electricity and a great time to produce hydrogen which can be stored indefinitely! Or used to fuel anything from motorBikes to planes to rockets.

Amosfella atco gets paid cost+ to make sure your power is down as little as possible. The more they spend the more they make. It is the definition of a wasteful system. The more expensive your service the more profit they make. And I don't get to shop around either.

[purgatory.sv]

Originally Posted by fishead

It's a lot more complicated than just saying I go somewhere else and it is cheaper.
Guns are probably cheaper in the states too no?

No misdirection, we are talking politics and government.

I am weak.

Fire good.

[5Lgreenback]

After viewing this debate, I'm thinking this just helped solidify another PC win.

[The Elkster]

Originally Posted by Carriertxv

Is that some kind of dipper finance speak?????
You got to explain that to me cause I guess I'm drinking the same koolaid.

Currencies and their direction relative to each other are a market measure of the relative strength of each economy/country. Every developed economy is running a debt and that alone doesn't dictate the strength of the economy. How about assets, GDP (potential to pay the debt), productivity? There is far more to consider than just debt.

Debt is actually a bit of a red herring. There isn't a developed country out there that can pay their debt off without killing their economy and their standard of living. And nobody is going to call in all the debt all of a sudden. If China called US debt they'd kill themselves. The US is their biggest customer. Cripes they can't even let little ol' Greece default because the contagion will hurt every country around the world and specially Europe. Why do you think they put up with Greece's BS. Hint: it ain't because they are looking out for the best interest of Greece.

Take a look at how the US dollar has done against other currencies over the last few years.

[fishead]

Originally Posted by purgatory.sv

No misdirection, we are talking politics and government.

I am weak.

Fire good.

Haha fair enough.

[The Elkster]

Originally Posted by fishead

It's a lot more complicated than just saying I go somewhere else and it is cheaper.
Guns are probably cheaper in the states too no?

Talk to an American cancer patient with refused med coverage about how cheap the US is...

I'll happily pay a little extra to live in a country of 30 mill Vs +300 mill. Leaves a few more fish and deer for me. Money well spent I'd say. Take a look at what US hunters pay down there. Could pay for a lot of Canadian energy bills with those $'s.

[fishead]

Originally Posted by Forest Techer

.....nope. Lots of ways to store energy. Dams do it every year. When dams or nuclear must produce more energy than needed that makes for cheap electricity and a great time to produce hydrogen which can be stored indefinitely! Or used to fuel anything from motorBikes to planes to rockets.

Amosfella atco gets paid cost+ to make sure your power is down as little as possible. The more they spend the more they make. It is the definition of a wasteful system. The more expensive your service the more profit they make. And I don't get to shop around either.

Where are these Dams you speak of ? This is AB were are talking right
Nuclear power in AB not yet, do you suggest the people of Alberta build that? I think nuclear was proposed but nobody wants it in their back yard.
Hydrogen storage for fuel, where is this happening?
I am all for dreaming but we have to deal with reality.
iWork in the industry so have to be careful what I say, and no I am not a shareholder just a working dude like most guys on here.

Back to politics and this upcoming election-----maybe one of the guys on here should start a party hell I would vote for change maybe an AO guy is what we need.

[Mackinaw]

Originally Posted by MacLeod

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1) Brian certainly wasn't at the top of his game tonight ... there's no question about that. From what I've heard from insiders, he is still suffering from the very recent loss of his son.

2) Only a fool makes a decision on how to vote, based a one-night political debate.

Mac

This perhaps he is not the best candidate at this time to head the party then.....who knows for sure.

You are right one debate should not change your vote but it can sway the fence sitters.

Mack

[Forest Techer]

Originally Posted by fishead

Where are these Dams you speak of ? This is AB were are talking right.

Just read the executive summary. 20+ Dams in Alberta tons of potential for more. I'm not pro/con. Just thought you might be giving a wrong impression of Alberta. And power generation and it's possibilities.

http://www.energy.alberta.ca/electri...ctricstudy.pdf

Great debate! Let's Throw this batch out and try again next week : )

To quote an AO "fire good"

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

of course i had no intention of listening to what she says. all i saw was her hand in my pocket.

but seriously, i only caught the last hour and she talked for probably 2/3rds of it. at least a half

Which might be why she had about 75% of viewers declaring her the clear winner with the PC and WR down at less than 15% each. She kicked some serious azz tonight, still not sure if I am going to vote for NDP, but she got it done in the debate.