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Rem338win; try using the presumptions of the magma carts in a court of law. Not going to happen.
Your sig line is quite right, why do you think I argue what I argue?
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02-10-2015, 03:13 PM
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This LEO bashing has come to a new low in this threat. The same people are posting the same trash over and over again about the mounties and other leo's. You pick a few ( and yes comparitively the instances are few )circumstances, now nothing about the situation other than what you read in the paper which is ALWAYS correct and blow it out of proportion to meet your own little arguement. Hopefully you will never need police assistance in a situation, but I'm sure if you do in your eyes they won't handle it up to your high expectations anyway. Now all the leo bashers move on to the next thread because it WILL be the same people bringing up the same few instances for the same 89 times. Give your heads a shake and apreciate them for all the good that is done. or maybe quite discussing all the faults with Captain Morgan before logging on here.
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Equating asking for accountability of a publicly funded and armed law enforcement organization to LEO bashing is a classic 'circle the wagon train' reaction.
This is the very mindset that got the RCMP -both the institution and its hapless members- into the PR and management bind they are in today.
quote: "... LEO bashing has come to a new low in this threat". Mhunter, could this be a Freudian slip on your part?
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Rem338win; try using the presumptions of the magma carts in a court of law. Not going to happen.
Your sig line is quite right, why do you think I argue what I argue?
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I understand from a very astute and practiced doctorate at law that the position of constabulary and their common law duties, not to mention office and title, is still directly tied to the Magna Carta. That means "keep the peace", "protect life and property" and "preserve evidence". These are except used in our courts every year.
My sig line of course depends on the public acting reasonably and making independent effort to be knowledgable. Otherwise you too can be a moralistic tyrant, just with little power...
A great man once also said that the greatest argument against democracy is a conversation with an average voter......
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02-10-2015, 03:35 PM
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I understand from a very astute and practiced doctorate at law that the position of constabulary and their common law duties, not to mention office and title, is still directly tied to the Magna Carta. That means "keep the peace", "protect life and property" and "preserve evidence". These are except used in our courts every year.
My sig line of course depends on the public acting reasonably and making independent effort to be knowledgable. Otherwise you too can be a moralistic tyrant, just with little power...
A great man once also said that the greatest argument against democracy is a conversation with an average voter......
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What I'm saying is the law that this country was founded upon has largely gone the way of the dodo bird.
While some evolutionary line is needed as things in a society progress such as technology evolves, the premise of right to life, right to freedom, and no excess reaching force of the government would not exist.
Remember, reasonable people acting reasonably.
As the op stated, it isn't about the rcmp getting ar's, it's about the cute puppy labelling of them for the police but tyrannical labelling for joe q.
It's about the assertion of the organization as a whole saying it is regrettable that people own firearms.
All political power comes out of the barrel of a gun.
An unarmed population are slaves and beggars, under the boot of tyranny. Period.
Again, the magma carta has been bone picked to provide the powers with what they need while depriving us of what we need under the auspices of "the greater good".
That is.... Not good.
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Not only that but the police cannot protect the population at all. It'd be an over reaching police state otherwise.
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02-10-2015, 03:44 PM
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Man, this thread has evolved, detracted, dissolved and taken on alternate forms.....
Ok, so what I am hearing you say is that if the total population was to come under some malicious attack the police forces of Canada do not have the ability to protect us all?
Of course not, though they can play a legitimate part like they did in the world wars in England, etc...that is the intent of the military. On average with have something like 1500 people per officer not to mention the challenges of time and distance.
As for police states, I suggest you speak with people who have actually lived under one. We are a long way away from that at this point, but that gap can close quickly (a la the US). The fact is, you go and sit in on major crimes case and you will see the police today are horrendously crippled and hindered in their ability to investigate compared to 30 years ago.
If you are speaking outside of that, I have no idea where you are trying to go with it.
At no point did I say I agreed with the statement made by the Constable in the paper. I am a fan of the Swiss model.........
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02-10-2015, 03:45 PM
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Not only that but the police cannot protect the population at all. It'd be an over reaching police state otherwise.
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May i add to this?
The general population can't protect themselves either.
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02-10-2015, 03:50 PM
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May i add to this?
The general population can't protect themselves either.
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Don't suggest! I watched a video on youtube and.....
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02-10-2015, 03:57 PM
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Don't suggest! I watched a video on youtube and.....
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What's YouTube? Protection device?
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02-10-2015, 03:58 PM
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Comical. You think you're right. I think I'm right. I'll put 20$ on me that our firearms get taken in 10 years.
Either way, we will have to see.
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May i add to this?
The general population are not allowed to protect themselves either.
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02-10-2015, 04:02 PM
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Yes that to. Thanks
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02-10-2015, 04:03 PM
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What's YouTube? Protection device?
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Its a plethora of instant knowledge and experience on how to protect yourself.
Like so:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAkCLpMtjlM
or even better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wgRmSIxyXI
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02-10-2015, 04:06 PM
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Comical. You think you're right. I think I'm right. I'll put 20$ on me that our firearms get taken in 10 years.
Either way, we will have to see.
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Sure thing. If we keep allowing the tinfoil hat, act without cause or knowledge crowd lead the fight.
I had a similar bet with someone when the long gun registry started, and look at us now.
Stop being a fatalist.
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02-10-2015, 04:09 PM
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Lol thanks. School is never out.
Anyway I think the cops should have these rifles but I think we all should. If nothing else maybe when they shoot somebody with it they'll stay dead. That would make us all have a safer world to live in if we had a decrease in criminal population.
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If you don't want people to make fun of you for picking your nose....quit picking your nose.
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02-10-2015, 04:52 PM
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One intrusion one a free person's rights is wrong and an intrusion on all of us.
What's the matter gum gum? Don't like freedom? Or don't like OTHERS having theirs?
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Uhhj did you see a squirrel ..see like most of the planet I dont equate firearms to personal freedoms . I dont belive in rights ..I fight for them . Freedom to chose toothpaste like down south is that what your rambling on .
It is quite evident from you stand (next nothing to do with the OP ) your biased against the GD . come to think of it ever neen any where to give a rounded experienced opinion on the subject ?? Delt with a police force ...not up to the high standards of the GD ??? 
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Lol thanks. School is never out.
Anyway I think the cops should have these rifles but I think we all should. If nothing else maybe when they shoot somebody with it they'll stay dead. That would make us all have a safer world to live in if we had a decrease in criminal population.
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Hows that working out in the most armed & crimimalized, murderd nation on earth ??? Oh not worth a dime.
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Just to be clear again rem338, no amount of firepower would have saved the four Mounties on Roszko's farm. Only one even had the chance to draw his sidearm, and then what was he shooting at? Into a dark Quonset from a sunny yard. Lack of firepower did not kill them. Leaving four young, inexperienced officers alone with the likes of Roszko loose did.
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Unfortunately, for some on this thread whose depth of focus is so narrow it hurts my head, pointing out the above failures in leadership & training -errors like the Roszko massacre that I put at the feet of RCMP top brass- is characterized as a personal attack on individual members or on themselves or their friends and family.
What the RCMP critics are saying and asking for is reform and accountability, so that members who police our communities are better able to deal with danger when it presents itself.
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Unfortunately, for some on this thread whose depth of focus is so narrow it hurts my head, pointing out the above failures in leadership & training -errors like the Roszko massacre that I put at the feet of RCMP top brass- is characterized as a personal attack on individual members or on themselves or their friends and family.
What the RCMP critics are saying and asking for is reform and accountability, so that members who police our communities are better able to deal with danger when it presents itself.
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Maybe giving them training and a Carbine could help them better deal with danger when it presents itself????
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02-10-2015, 06:04 PM
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absolutely
Brendan, please read my posts: I've had no problem with the C8 being issued....provided there is funding, training, testing, proficiency is maintained, and ultimately public accountability.
How that takes place is for the RCMP to decide and to manage on an on-going basis. Not a train members and forget about it scenario!
The results of these efforts, however, must be the people's business.
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02-10-2015, 06:10 PM
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Hows that working out in the most armed & crimimalized, murderd nation on earth ??? Oh not worth a dime.
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For the last time we are not the United States. Different demographics .
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Mayerthorpe was a hunting rifle. The RCMP have plenty of those. And at the Range of engagement, a rifle would make the difference. NOT an AR!!
Pistol Caliber Carbines make the most sense as I have stated earlier.
Plenty of firepower, plenty of ammo can be carried. Light, simple to operate, easy to maintain, ammunition in carbine works in pistol, and a stray 9mm at 100 yards DOES NOT have the energy to penetrate the walls of a neighbors house... but that 5.56 WILL!!!!
AR's are Close Quarters Combat firearms (CQB) If the police need range, they have the .308 rifles in their armoury.
If they are closer, a pistol carbine is a better choice.
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Man where to start. Sorry but you don't have a clue. A pistol caliber is just that, no matter what platform its fired from. There a more and more bad guys out there wearing body armour and some even with ballistic plates. A handgun round is going to do squat. I can't believe some of the crap that's posted here, that's why I don't post much. Sometimes you just gotta shake your head and button your lip. As far as an AR platform being for CQB..... 
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Maybe giving them training and a Carbine could help them better deal with danger when it presents itself????
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Their pistol training is subpar now. Do you really think they'll do better with the AR's?
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If there was Parliamentary oversight and public accountability, with higher standards and appropriate funding, I think training and proficiency could be increased with all their weapons.
If the brass doesn't get the job done, fire them. This works in the real world the rest of us are in, it should apply to the police world.
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Don't they already have the 9mm MP5 for that?
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Load of guff . A canadian has every right to protect themselves. When at home you can even take another humans life . In what delusion is that not protecting ones self ??
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Uhhj did you see a squirrel ..see like most of the planet I dont equate firearms to personal freedoms . I dont belive in rights ..I fight for them . Freedom to chose toothpaste like down south is that what your rambling on .
It is quite evident from you stand (next nothing to do with the OP ) your biased against the GD . come to think of it ever neen any where to give a rounded experienced opinion on the subject ?? Delt with a police force ...not up to the high standards of the GD ??? |
I don't believe in rights I fight for them? Listening to obummer much?
What a load of crap. How do you fight for something you don't believe in? How do you specifically fight for rights and what rights are those?
What's your problems with the USA? Which is what I think you mean when you say down South.
Should we all pay al gore so global warming doesn't get an assault carbine ?
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