Occupy protests

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Makes sense to me. Bill Whittle is a smart man. What part of the "asymptote" hypothesis don't you understand...maybe I could explain it better and help you catch on. What does carrying capacity have to do with the protests??

Of course people have the right to protest. It's just funny when the people protesting are stupid lazy hypocrites that can't even comprehend their own fortune and who and what provided them that fortune.

Such animosity and hatefulness for people you don't even know.

You see, which end of the ideological spectrum someone subscribes to is not of consequence.

Extremism is the greatest threat.

And seriously, quoting Ronald Reagan?

[Boberama]

Did anyone see the Colbert where he interviewed two occupiers? Classic.

Check this out, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1B9KMaO0Eo

[209x50]

How is camp today? A little brisk? Get a job and you can move inside when winter comes.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Such animosity and hatefulness for people you don't even know.

You see, which end of the ideological spectrum someone subscribes to is not of consequence.

Extremism is the greatest threat.

And seriously, quoting Ronald Reagan?

I know them all too well. I have part of my paycheque taken from me to give to them every two weeks.

Ronald Reagan was one of the greatest leaders of the century. That's a given. Only far left ideologues would argue that point.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Ronald Reagan was one of the greatest leaders of the century. That's a given. Only far left ideologues would argue that point.

And only far right ideologues would make it.

Sorry, it was just laying there screaming "shoot me!"

[BeeGuy]

It's amazing that "you're a liberal" is a point in discussion that some individuals actually think has any validity.

It's really the lowest form of discussion.

I see your, "you're a liberal, socialist etc"

and raise you one, "you're a stupid head".

What a joke.

[209x50]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

It's amazing that "you're a liberal" is a point in discussion that some individuals actually think has any validity.

It's really the lowest form of discussion.

I see your, "you're a liberal, socialist etc"

and raise you one, "you're a stupid head".

What a joke.

Looks like you're waving the flag there.

[Boberama]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

and raise you one, "you're a stupid head".

What a joke.

This made me laugh my head off, where's the like button?







Oh, there it is.

The following 1 user Likes BeeGuy's post:
Boberama (Today)

[schimmel]

I find it shocking when people are proud of this crap.

Worked 301 of 365 days?

Is he insane?

would this not be defined as slavery?

Where is the quality of life?

And what is your solution to my problem, I work 50 hours a week and make $75000+/- and I am considered working poor. what can I do?

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You can't have your cake & eat it to BeeGuy.

By working 301 days a year he may be able to have a home, vehicles, toys & a stay at home wife. Heck he can probably even retire at 50 if he puts some of that money away.

He's out there doing a job that anyone of those people protesting could be doing if they could pass the drug test. No education needed. Just some desire to learn & work hard.

I know it's not for everyone but when you have some pride & self worth sometimes you have to do things that aren't what you enjoy.

I have some Canadian friends working in the US right now because they aren't enough locals to do the work. The reason there aren't enough locals is because they refuse to move an hour from where they have lived there whole lives. This is the land that there grand daddy had there not moving for any reason especially for a job. I've seen the same attitude in Alberta when the oil patch slowed down here. Guys sitting on the couch bitching because they didn't have work. I mentioned that there were companies hiring in Sask. They would snub there noses at the thought of going to Saskatchewan. I can't feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have the desire to help themselves. The only thing most of these occupiers want to help themselves to is other people's money & charity.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

And only far right ideologues would make it.

Sorry, it was just laying there screaming "shoot me!"

And you got a case of buck fever and missed...lol.

I'm hardly a far right ideologue. I'm a pragmatic conservative.

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

It's amazing that "you're a liberal" is a point in discussion that some individuals actually think has any validity.

It's really the lowest form of discussion.

I see your, "you're a liberal, socialist etc"

and raise you one, "you're a stupid head".

What a joke.

Like calling someone a troqll when you don't have a valid argumeqnt/

[BeeGuy]

Thanks for the balanced response Schimmel.

I agree with your point that in Canada, if necessary, it is possible to move, work hard, and make ends meet.

I have done this.

Although, there may be examples where this is possible in the states, the situation down there is dire, and I have to disagree that their employment situation can be solved by internal migration.

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

Like calling someone a troqll when you don't have a valid argumeqnt/

Redfrog, are you oblivious?

This post you made is a case in point.

Thank you for your one line troll.

c'mon man

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Redfrog, are you oblivious?

This post you made is a case in point.

Thank you for your one line troll.

c'mon man

How come you're nickname is BeeGuy?? just curious. Got bees?

[BeeGuy]

Yep, 10's of thousands.

It's a sweet pass-time.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Yep, 10's of thousands.

It's a sweet pass-time.

My dad used to have bees, always a good time in the fall when we'd spin the honey in the garage.

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Yep, 10's of thousands.

It's a sweet pass-time.

Well that explains it..

[NFTrapper]

Way to many posts to read but figured I would post this perspective. I'm sorry if it has been posted already...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAOrT...&feature=share

[rugatika]

Man I really like this guy...smart dude.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqNVp...eature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLD6VChcWCE&NR=1



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0MES...eature=related

[Sundancefisher]

http://www.calgarysun.com/2011/11/19...quest-for-fire

LOL.

This is too funny...talk about professional protesters. Feed me, water me and keep me warm while I complain about everything and refuse jobs.

[Joe Fehr]

Why should anyone have to pay for these idiots to stay warm? Let them freeze!

[mooseknuckle]

You know if these protestors tough it out all winter maybe they will be taken alittle more serious but as far as heat i say they should be on there own. I'll pay taxes on 9 downtown arenas before I pay an extra penny for these protestors, and once I do it will be my turn to protest!!

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Reductio ad absurdum (Latin: "reduction to the absurd") is a form of argument in which a proposition is disproven by following its implications logically to an absurd consequence.

Hey you quoted my sig line!

I have been plajurized lol

[mooseknuckle]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

Hey you quoted my sig line!

I have been plajurized lol

What are going to do about ken..... Protest!! Lol.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by mooseknuckle

What are going to do about ken..... Protest!! Lol.

Lol!

Ok here I go. Sign and everything!





How did I do?

[Sundancefisher]

http://www.calgarysun.com/2011/11/20...viction-notice

So what were the protesters comment to the eviction notice. The TV clip had a guy say that he does not believe in property rights...he believes in his constitutional rights.

Ummm..is it just me or is this guy out to lunch.

Maybe someone should explain this to them...while property rights were not included in the constitution...strong laws still exist.

http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/Collectio...BP/bp268-e.htm

In the charter of rights and freedoms...property rights were requested to be included. But...then thanks to the Liberals we only have common law to protect us...but that is very strong.

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.c...=A1ARTA0006519

Still common law and statute law protects us from freeloaders and squatters from taking over our property. As the protest in Edmonton is situated on private property...this will be very interesting to see if the Edmonton courts will issue an injunction to kick them out.

Very interesting to see.

Sun

[Sundancefisher]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2242517/

Victoria police served eviction notices to more than a dozen hardcore protesters remaining at the Occupy Victoria encampment in frosty sub-zero temperatures Saturday morning.

As voters headed to the polls for Saturday's civic elections, a team of a half dozen officers rousted sleepy, dishevelled campers from their tents to advise them of a court injunction requiring them to vacate Centennial Square outside city hall.
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However, police lacked the legal authority to forcibly remove those who refused to leave voluntarily, due to a provincial court judge’s refusal Friday to approve the city’s request for an enforcement order to accompany the injunction.

Dozens of people have left the site in the last few days but a few tents remain, and a handful of protesters said they're willing to stay put and risk arrest to make their point.

“I’m absolutely willing to stay and get arrested because that will get the discussion into a courtroom and get the issues a little more amplified,” said protester Joseph Reville, who has been at the site since the occupation began Oct. 15. “That’s been my position since Day 1.”

Police told some protesters that unoccupied tents and other chattels will be removed over the weekend if possible. The city is scheduled to begin erecting a skating rink in the square Monday as part of its annual Christmas celebrations.

While the area earmarked for public skating was mostly clear of tents, two tents were erected in a new location, on a small patio outside the Capital Regional District headquarters in the apparent belief that the eviction notice does not apply to CRD property.

As well, a cluster of tents and shopping carts filled with bags of protesters’ belongings cluttered a covered area beneath city hall chamber that has been used as a communal kitchen for more than a month.

Police said Saturday they have the option of removing empty tents and other “chattels” over the weekend, but have decided to refrain from taking any further action until city lawyers have had a chance to pursue an enforcement order in court Monday morning.

In Toronto, protesters marched on city hall while they wait to find out if the city will have similar clout to clear its camp.

The court is expected to rule Monday morning on whether the group can stay in St. James Park, near the country's financial hub.

Demonstrators with Occupy Toronto said on Saturday that the movement will live on even if the camp is dismantled.

“I think this movement is much more than the park, so hopefully we won't lose the park, but if we do lose the park, we'll keep right on going,” said Jenny Isaacs, 23, who has spent several days and a few nights in the tent village.

The Occupy movement began in Manhattan with Occupy Wall Street and crossed the border into Canada on Oct. 15. The protesters say they are demonstrating against income inequality and unfair financial systems.

Occupy camps in Halifax, Regina and Saskatoon have been taken down while protesters in Calgary, Toronto, Victoria and Vancouver are dealing with eviction notices.

Occupy Edmonton protesters said they received notice on Saturday that the owner of the privately-owned property where they've been camping wants them out by Sunday at 11 p.m. The protesters say they've been threatened with prosecution if they don't leave.

The owners, Melcor Developments, have tried before to get the protesters to go. Late last month, Melcor suggested they vacate the park after 11 p.m., but company president Ralph Young said at the time the protesters could stay as long as they were responsible with the space and remained peaceful.

Police in Edmonton said Saturday they were asking Occupy Edmonton organizers to monitor everyone at the site every 15 minutes due to the bitterly cold temperatures and the risk of carbon monoxide poisoning from heaters. The forecast in Edmonton called for a low of -26 C Saturday night.

Meanwhile, protesters in Vancouver also received an order to pack up Friday night, with a deadline of 2 p.m. Monday. Police have been granted power to enforce that order.

[Sundancefisher]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/11...k-judge-rules/

Occupy Toronto: Protesters must vacate St. James Park, judge rules

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Occupy Toronto protesters must pack up their tents and leave St. James Park, where they have been camping out for more than a month, a Superior Court judge has ruled.

In a decision released Monday, Justice David Brown found the city was within its rights to force an end to the demonstration, calling it a “reasonable limit” on the group’s rights under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

“If the protesters possess a constitutional right to occupy the park and appropriate it to their use, then the next protest group espousing a political message would have the right to so occupy another park, say, Moss Park; and the next group the next park, and so on, and so forth,” Judge Brown wrote in his 54-page ruling. “So would result a ‘tragedy of the commons,’ another ironic consequence of a movement advocating greater popular empowerment.”


“The Charter offers no justification for the protesters’ act of appropriating to their own use – without asking fellow citizens — a large portion of common public space for an indefinite period of time,” the ruling reads.

“The Charter does not permit the protesters to take over public space without asking, exclude the rest of the public from enjoying their traditional use of that space, and then contend that they are under no obligation to leave. By taking that position and by occupying the Park the protesters are breaking the law. Such civil disobedience attracts consequences. In this case the civic authority which represents the Toronto community now seeks to enforce the law. It wishes to re-open the park to the rest of the city to enjoy as was done before. That is what the City sought to do by serving the Trespass Notice last week. … I conclude that the Trespass Notice is constitutionally valid. The City may enforce it. I dismiss the application.”

At the Occupy camp, protesters appeared undeterred by the ruling, chanting “solidarity” to the sound of drum beats. A small group gathered under the park’s central gazebo, joining hands in a circle.

Joey Arsenault, the group’s media liaison, said some Occupy members were intending to remain on-site to defend the camp, while others would “retreat to safety.”

“This in no way should be seen as a sign of defeat, but rather as a success, and a way to take the movement to the next level,” Mr. Arsenault said of the court decision.

A general assembly was planned for noon to determine a plan going forward; some gear was already being moved out of the campsite, even though “a significant number” of protesters were planning to remain.

The ruling comes three days after the city faced off with Occupy protesters in court, arguing whether the sprawling downtown encampment was a legitimate manifestation of the group’s Charter rights.

The city, which plastered the tent city with trespass notices last Tuesday in an effort to clear occupiers from the park, argued the encampment has damaged the park and created a nuisance for local residents.

“They’ve effectively taken over a lovely park and prevented the general public from using [it],” lawyer Darrel Smith noted.

The protesters, meanwhile, contended their protest camp — just minutes from the city’s financial district — was a physical symbol of their opposition to the current social model. To evict the group would threaten their freedoms of conscience, expression, assembly and association, lawyer Susan Ursel said.

A recent court ruling in Vancouver also granted that city’s application to shut down an Occupy encampment, with protesters given until Monday afternoon to vacate.

[FishingMOM]

Hey Nenshi get some balls and push the protesters tents out of our parks now!

[mooseknuckle]

I can clean up this whole mes in three words:

FRONT END LOADER!