284 win

NBFK · #1 07-05-2009, 10:55 AM

Who here has experiance with 284 wins. Looking for some suggestions on some types of powders or loads to shoot a 140 grain accubond out of a 26 inch shilen barrel and remington 700 action.

25-284 · #2 07-05-2009, 12:30 PM

1000 m world record load, 180gr berger h4831. i bet dick has alot of info on this one.

Dick284 · #3 07-05-2009, 08:43 PM

H4350, IMR 4350, IMR 4831, H 4831, WW760, H414, RL 22, have all given me pretty good results in the 2 different barrels I've had in my 284Win.

Currently I'm getting about 3050fps from a just off of max load of H4350, with 140 AB, or Partition's. That's with a 24" Gailliard BBL.

My old 4 land Alpine BBL, was only 22.5" long and would net me about 3080fps, with a very stiff load of RL22, and 139gr. Hornady BTSP's.

On game performance with the 139gr. Hornady's was nothing but outstanding, I took 2 moose, and countless deer with that loading, never had a single bullet related issue what so ever.

The new Gailliard BBL. just does'nt prefer those stand by Hornady bullets, but sure seems to take a liking to the Nosler offerings.

Good luck

NBFK · #4 07-05-2009, 10:27 PM

Thanks for the loads of info all the loads I have found rate the gun around 2800-2950 max load for a 140. Is this because they are based off a weak action like a lever and not a bolt?

Dick284 · #5 07-06-2009, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by natural.born.fawn.killer

Thanks for the loads of info all the loads I have found rate the gun around 2800-2950 max load for a 140. Is this because they are based off a weak action like a lever and not a bolt?

I dont know about all the published data. the 88 and 100 Winchesters were supposed to be 53000CUP capable actions.

I'm off of book max with the 140's in my current barrel/chamber, and getting 3050ish fps, case life is at least 5 loadings (have'nt done more than that so far)
And the old barrel, and chamber would allow 6 loadings of at least 0.5gr. over my chosen old pet load, and the cases were showing zero signs of excessive pressure, the primer pockets stayed just as tight as on loading number one.

Cant see that in either case I'm going too much beyond the factory standard 53000CUP, if case life is hanging in there for 5 or more loadings.

But temper that with a work up and acertain your rifles own quirks , as I often say, each rifle is an entity unto it's self.

Good Luck.

rem338win · #6 07-06-2009, 04:24 PM

My Leeper built Model 70 has a 23" Pac-Nor. It is by far the most accurate hunting rifle I have ever shot. The case capacity is nearly identical to the .270 Winchester. Being that the bore size is larger all velocities attainable with the 270 are attainable in the .284. I have used 140gr Partitions, 140 TTSX's, 150gr Ballistic Tips, 150gr Scirrocos, and 139gr SSTs in mine. The powders I used are H414, H4831sc, H4350, RL19, and RL15. The top performers in my rifle are H414, H4831sc, and H4350. All of the loads averaged below 1" and the H4350 with TTSX's and SST's are honest sub .3" average performers. The H4831sc and 150 B-Tips are a sub .5" performer, and the 150gr Sciroccos and H414 averaged .75". Ask Rackmastr how the 140gr Partitions shoot

. All of the 150gr bullets performed between 2900 and 2930fps and the 140gr bullets where all between 3000-3050fps. My magazine is 3.100" which allows me to keep my OAL at 3.030". This helps in the case capacity department.

Other wise, I will tell you that this is my favorite "standard" cartridge.
100yds:

This next one is at 200yds:

This next one is 300yds:

Back to 100yds:

pockets · #7 07-06-2009, 05:15 PM

Here is some good reading for you. http://kyleherranen.com/284loaddata.pdf

pockets · #8 07-06-2009, 05:22 PM

I may as well ask, I am actually in the process of starting load development for my father-in-law. He has a model 88 in 284, and strickly hunts moose in the forest, close quarters stalking. I was going to use 160gr. Partitions, with WW760, CCI std primers. What do you guys think? I am not expecting or needing benchrest accuracy, but 1- 1.5" groups at 100 would be nice.

Dick284 · #9 07-06-2009, 05:31 PM

I'm not the biggest advocate of 160's in a short case like the 284. to facilitate feeding out of the 88's magazine the bullets need to be seated too deep and therefore will reduce the potential case capacity.
As for 760, it will work but in my opinion there are better propellents to try, as ball powders are tougher to ignite especially if it's cold out, and most of the ball powders are very dirty burning.

I'd personally stick with nothing a whole lot heavier than a 140 gr. TSX, or similar bullet, or a 150 Partition type bullet.

My experiences with a so called non premium 139gr. BTSP Hornady has shown many people have some grave misconceptions on what it takes to kill moose sized game.

depopulator · #10 07-06-2009, 06:28 PM

Over at 6mmbr.com, Alliants new Reloder 17 is reported to get another 100-200 fps over standard (typical) loads in the .284. The guys over there seem to prefer 180 grain Bergers.

Dick284 · #11 07-06-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by depopulator

Over at 6mmbr.com, Alliants new Reloder 17 is reported to get another 100-200 fps over standard (typical) loads in the .284. The guys over there seem to prefer 180 grain Bergers.

And a reliable source of RL17 in Canada would be??

And oh ya do you expect those 180 VLD's to stabilize in a Win 88's twist??

depopulator · #12 07-06-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick284

And a reliable source of RL17 in Canada would be??

And oh ya do you expect those 180 VLD's to stabilize in a Win 88's twist??

I picked up 2 pounds of Reloder 17 on Saturday - it is around if you know where to look.

and oh ya (WTF?), who cares about the twist on a Win 88, seriously ?

Dick284 · #13 07-06-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by depopulator

I picked up 2 pounds of Reloder 17 on Saturday - it is around if you know where to look.

and oh ya (WTF?), who cares about the twist on a Win 88, seriously ?

Because the big long VLD's wont stabilize in "pockets" Dad's Win 88 that's why.

Listen to yourself man. You missed the point, guys are wanting hunting loads for their 284's, not ultra long range target sutff.

depopulator · #14 07-06-2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick284

Because the big long VLD's wont stabilize in "pockets" Dad's Win 88 that's why.

The origininal post for a M700 action and Shilen Barrel

, to which I am posting more info.

Try to stay on topic, you won't get so confused.

depopulator · #15 07-06-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick284

Listen to yourself man. You missed the point, guys are wanting hunting loads for their 284's, not ultra long range target sutff.

I did not realize posting info on new developments in the .284 Win was not allowed. Get your head out of the sand.

Dick284 · #16 07-06-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by depopulator

The origininal post for a M700 action and Shilen Barrel

, to which I am posting more info.

Try to stay on topic, you won't get so confused.

How's about you try and follow the latest post concerning loads.

You wont get more confused that way.

Dick284 · #17 07-06-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by depopulator

The origininal post for a M700 action and Shilen Barrel

, to which I am posting more info.

Try to stay on topic, you won't get so confused.

So the OP asked for a load for a 140AB.

Take some of your own advice, and stay on topic.

depopulator · #18 07-06-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick284

So the OP asked for a load for a 140AB.

Take some of your own advice, and stay on topic.

get a life...

#19 07-06-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by depopulator

I did not realize posting info on new developments in the .284 Win was not allowed. Get your head out of the sand.

So Depop. do you actually own a 284, or ever loaded for one?

depopulator · #20 07-06-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu Pedaso

So Depop. do you actually own a 284, or ever loaded for one?

No, why ?

I read what was posted and figured I would add a bit that isn't otherwise already printed in every reloading manual, that's all.

I have shot and relaoded for my .280 Rem for 14 years, but it's not quite the same.

Check the referenced site out - some good info on all sorts of stuff over there. The ignorant folk are weeded out of that site pretty quick. It is not only for BR or LR geeks, they share a lot of useful info, and lot's of data on the 284Win (a lot of buzz over that cartridge lately). If you're exploring the284 Win, might as well get all the info one can, eh ? Especially when building a custom

#21 07-06-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by depopulator

No, why ?

I read what was posted and figured

Thanks for clearing this whole matter up.

I see two posters; one with pictures of a rifle and round as mentioned, and I see another poster with a picture of a head stamp of a 284Win.

I know who I'll PM for advice.

Thanks

depopulator · #22 07-06-2009, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu Pedaso

Thanks for clearing this whole matter up.

Fill yer boots, as you sound like two peas in a pod. Heck, it wouldn't be a stretch to convince me you're the same person

Bobby B. · #23 07-07-2009, 04:58 PM

FWIW, reloading is not mystical or magical but it seems it sometimes becomes mythical. I've never loaded for the .284 Win or for a number of other cartridges, yet I'm confident that I can easily do so. As far as I'm aware, a reloading manual provides ample info as to how much of what powder with which bullet will do such and such. NONE of the posters on this site invented the .284Win nor assisted in its developement. Therefore, each offers their opinion and nothing more. Some have direct experience with a certain cartridge whereas another does not. So What? Does their limited personal experience transform them into an all knowing expert? No. It appears obvious that both Dick and Depopulator have some valid info to share. Take it from there, you'll benefit from both.

Bobby B.