Documentary: "The Great Global Warming Swindle"

New Documentary coming out regarding the global warming swindle.

Hopefully it will make it to Canada. Can't wait to see it.

www.channel4.com/science/...index.html

The trailer can be found here:
www.proudtobecanadian.ca/...blog/6410/

It is too bad that we may never see this here. Truly people need to open their eyes before we stupidly ruin the economy for nothing.

I don't know...ever since that last BIG THING...Y2K...:rollin :rollin

Looks like an unwanted side effect of global warming is global cooling. How long before gorizuki tries to tie this to CO2??


Coldest winter in generation kills homeless in Russia
www.redorbit.com/news/sci...index.html


6th coldest February on record since 1871 in Chicago.
blogs.trb.com/news/weathe..._chic.html

Not seeing this being reported to much by Suzuki or Gore or the CBC. Weird, huh??

www.thestar.com/News/article/188324

And here's a documentary that supports climate change evidence.

www.climatecrisis.net/thescience/

I guess it all depends on whether you believe in science or hearsay.

Excelent point GoonBag. Suzuki is and Gore operate totally on hearsay and refuse to debate the science that shows that global warming is a constantly ocurring phenomenon on the planet and that CO2 increases are a result of global warming not the cause of it.

www.dailymail.co.uk/pages...ge_id=1965

And then this poll conducted by David "fruitfly" Suzuki himself.

stevejanke.com/archives/217705.php

hallsofmacadamia.blogspot...wrong.html

Suzuki has hidden this poll that he conducted on his website that shows 86% of Canadians think that the Kyoto targets cannot be met and that we should not even bother trying to meet them. If this is how he presents the science on global warming you can see how he deviates from the scientific method.

Incidentally, Climatecrisis.net is a website that receives funding from Al Gore and other people who have a financial and political stake in getting people to believe in AGW so that they can make millions from them and get politcal power. Therefore, all information on this website cannot be trusted. Furthermore, many points Gore has made on his movie "Inconvenient Truth" have been shown to be as honest as a Michael Moore film, with even the highly tainted political body IPCC disagreeing with the hyperbolic statements made by Al Gore in the movie.

And...one of the scientists who originally put forth the AGW theory is now not so sure. Claude Allegre now does not think that CO2 is the answer behind global warming.

www.canada.com/nationalpo...28f14da388

Here is something to ponder if you believe in GW, CO2 is not the largest amount of emissions that contributes to this supposed theory but water vapour is.

What are they going to do? Prevent the creation of water vapour and stiffle all life on the planet?

CO2 makes up about 0.0383% of the atmosphere as of Jan 2007 and has increased by about 37% in the last 100years or so. So its increased from about .0290% of the atmosphere to 0.0383% (rough math - forgive me).

Water vapour makes up about 97% of the earths atmosphere. It is hard to measure exact water vapour concentrations in the atmosphere globally and so is hard to say if water vapour concentrations have increased over the same time period.

Hard to imagine that CO2 is a significant contributing factor to global warming on those numbers alone, never mind all the science that suggests global warming would be occurring regardless of CO2 concentrations.

I really don't want to get too involved in this discussion but let me just say this:

It is a proven fact that the ozone layer in our atmosphere can affect climate change. It is also a proven fact that certain gases destroy ozone. It is also a proven fact that humans produce tonnes and tonnes of these same gases that destroy ozone. Now, I'm not saying that climate change is caused strictly by humans. But knowing these listed facts how can you say, with a straight face, that we as humans are not affecting climate change?

Ozone depletion is primarily caused by chemicals emitted into the atmosphere, but can only cause so much damage. The poles are the only areas that can be significantly effected by things like CFC's and other contaminants. This is due to the fact the the tropopause is closest to the earth at the poles. The chemical pollutants that are affecting the ozone layer are too heavy to climb any higher into our atmosphere.

GLOBAL WARMING IS A HOAX!!!!!!!!

I would recommend any pro-global warming people to take the time and contact the Climate Change Experts themselves instead of listen to the drivel put out by Liberalls and Tree huggers (no offense to you Tree Guy, I don't mistake your passion for vegetation as a bad thing). If anyone would like to talk to or e-mail people that actually no whats going on with the environment and/ or climate, spend some time contacting university professors, or heaven forbid maybe even some of the experts in the private sector (although they are all labelled as greedy, environmental hating, oil supporting, mongers)

Rug and Tree Guy,

you guys are doing a great job of revealin what is truly going on out there. Keep up the great work and thanks for posting all the articles. Most were a pleasure to read

Goonbag. Thanks again for your contribution, it is much appreciated. Ozone is responsible for about 5% of the "greenhouse gas" effect. Since it contributes to the greenhouse effect I am not sure how its depletion would be a contributing factor to anthropogenic global warming. Do you perhaps mean to imply that ozone depletion is negating the effects of global warming? Are you suggesting we increase the amounts of ozone depleting chemicals into the atmosphere.

"Tonnes and tonnes" may seem like a lot of gas but when you consider the scale of the amount of gas in the atmosphere it becomes quite insignificant.

Climate change has been occurring throughout all of history. CO2 levels have historically risen AFTER global warming has occurred as it is now doing. The Earth has been in a general warming trend for the last several thousand years. This is why we are not under a thousand feet of ice as was the case 15000yrs ago. This is why glaciers are continuing to retreat as they have for thousands of years. It is not a new phenomenon. Looking at past climate records the "normal" situation for Canada has been under ice.

CO2 levels have been increasing since the early 1900's yet temperatures started dropping in the 50's and 60's (remember the ice age scare of the 70's?). How could global temperatures have been dropping with an increase in CO2 during those years?

Human history makes up a very very tiny portion of earth history. For people to panic about a slight increase in temperatures is absurd when this has been happening for millions of years.

Now...how can you say with a straight face that humans are having any sort of an effect on global climate.

I was listening to CBC yesterday morning, and one of thier topics was reporting on global warming by reporters. The issue was many reporters do not have the scientific background to understand waht they are reporting. One of the basic reporting laws is to have a balanced discussion and show both points of view. The point that CBC drove home was to say that global warming was man caused and ANY debate about it was wrong. What frosts me is that our national broadcaster is promoting muzzling of disenting views! How wrong is that? They went on to say that this should be for every issue where there is a comon consensus on a subject that disenting views or even debate should be stopped and not brought up in the media. I thought many people died in many wars to protect free speech and open debate! It wasn't the debate on global warming that fired me up, it was thej last part about stifling open public debate!!!!

Goonbag. Thanks again for your contribution, it is much appreciated

Wow, you sure are polite. What I am refering to is the layer of ozone that completely surrounds the planet earth. The destruction or creation of more ozone greatly affects the earth's climate...this is a proven fact and I don't believe that anyone, to my knowledge, has been able to refute that.

The term global warming is also very misleading and is often used by nay-sayers to try and refute climate change...and climate change is really the topic at hand. Some parts of the earth get cooler, while others get warmer.

At any rate, Canada's contribution to world pollution and climate change is so minimal (less than 2%) that there really isn't much we can do as a country other than try and educate the rest of the world.

Have a good one guys, this is a topic that will never ever get resolved on this board so I am done with the discussion. Its refreshing to see that everyone is being cordial to each other, though Later folks.

Sorry Goon but nothing about the ozone layer depletion affecting climate change is "fact". As for "global warming" and "climate change" terms used by naysayers, I think you better check with gorsuki becasue they use the exact same terms.

Just because al gore told us, doesn't make it so.

Nazism is alive and well in the environmental ranks. Amazing how loss of freedoms is always driven by people who know whats better for me than me.

Thanks Ozo! Rug's the man with the facts, I'm just coming in as someone who has paid attention to the debate and has read as much as I can from both points of view.

I've said it before and I will say it again. I REFUSE TO BE SO ARROGANT AS TO BELIEVE THAT OUR SPECIEOUS CAN ALTER THE CLIMATE OF AN ENTIRE PLANET! It does not, can not, will not ever make sense to me. That is not to say that we are a benefit to our enviroment, for we are not.

With fairly limited natural resources, European nations had no choice but to 'green up' years ago. I certainly wouldn't be driving a pickup truck if gas was $3.00/litre! I know that's overly simplistic but bear with me.

The Kyoto Protocal was devised through the UN as a wealth transfer mechanism. Guilt the west and their liberal media into sending untold billions of dollars overseas. Surer than sh!t there would be some big name opportunistic, lying bastards jump on board. Liberals love to declare that the sky is falling and they are the ONLY ones who can save us from ourselves, etc, etc, etc. If there is anyone out there that can PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE enlighten me how spending billions to buy 'credits' with save the planet? The scam is in the brokering of the credits, where there are huge commissions to be made. Hell, Kenneth Laye from ENRON was even looking into it. This is a tax that has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with well-connected insiders and billions (if not trillions) of dollars. That is all. I just wish that people who stop giving the UN a free pass just because they are the UN. It has become an organization so corrupt and bloated that it make Olympic figure skating judges look good! End of rant! lol

So the movie is now up on youtube for those that wish to watch it. I haven't seen it yet as it is an hour long, but will watch it when I get a chance. Better watch it before they pull it.

video.google.com/videopla...2811497638

just finished watching it. Pretty convincing evidence that AGW is a huge HOAX.

Everyone should email this video link to everyone they know. There is no way that global warming is caused by CO2. No matter how much David Suzuki and Al Gore or any other make believe "scientist" screams and wails or write 2 bit opinion pieces in magazines...global warming or climate change, whatever these chicken littles would have you believe, is NOT caused by humans.


Once the dust settles I hope everyone will remember just who the people were and what they were trying to do to your families and children so that they could have THEIR way with YOUR money.

Oh and sorry the video is not on youtube as I stated earlier but on google video. Here;s the link again...

video.google.com/videopla...2811497638

It's a fairly long video (just over an hour) but is very well put together, easy to watch and I think it is very important for everyone to watch. Even if you believe in AGW you will have a hard time watching this video when you see how you have been duped and suckered into something so blatantly dishonest.

Enough is enough...I have to say something.

You seem to have a hatred for Suzuki and Gore. You might want to focus your rant and use that energy and help promote environment programs that you think are important.

Do I think that Global warming is happening sure do...sure the science is there. Do I think it is solely because of humans...nope. Do I think humans have helped it along...sure do. You can not change landscapes and use raw resources at the rate we have and not effect the environment around us.

Can one species have that kind effect??? Sure can. We have the largest foot print of any species on the planet and have a huge need to consume non-renewable resources. Thinking that we can't effect what is around us is how many of the species on this planet have gone extinct. "We can't kill them all"...sure we can.. The dodo, passager pigeon, etc.....We can be the sole reason species are no longer here so why can't we effect the climate around us???

If you are so against Suzuki are you against these environmental concerns: Reducing energy? (think he has a energy efficient bulb factory??), Conservation? Green energy development? Species at Risk??? Reducing pesticides???

Does he ride around in a big bus and use a lot of fuel....sure he does. Should he correct it..I hope so... Has he and others like him educated many of our youth about the importance of the environment and what we can do to improve it....Sure has....To me that is the most important thing...

Thanks for saving me from the evil men.....and my money...But I think I will still change my bulbs and look for ways to stop wasting energy and do my part for the environment.

I think Rug's dislike stems from the fact that these two are the self appointed faces of the green movement, so who else should we take to task? I agree we have an impact but as others have said I am not so arrogant to believe we are the sole cause. I believe weather is cyclilic. If you watch the news why are the record highs and lows usually over 60 years ago? Why was there drought in the 30's in Ab and sask? Wasn't alot of industry happening here....what about the science telling us about the next ICE AGE during the 70-80's.....I for one don't by the hype, but will try to cut down anyways as there is nothing wrong with that....

I have a hatred for these two clowns as much as I have a hatred for Ken Lay of Enron, Adscam thieves, nigerian money scammers, and phony contractors that con little old ladies out of their savings. There is absolutely NO evidence to suggest that CO2 contributes anything to current miniscule gains in global warming (and NOBODY has been able to offer any proof of this). This is why they and all others of their ilk refuse to be caught in a debate with anyone that understands what is going on. They cannot support their thesis with any data other than computer models that have been torqued out of any semblance of reality.

Politicians are already starting to talk about carbon taxes and so on. Talk like this can significantly affect capital investment in a province or country.

There is nothing wrong with switching to flourescent light bulbs, driving more fuel efficient cars when possible etc. They are all good ways of saving money and have as a benefit reducing fuel consumption which will lower demand for fossil fuel reserves.

And incidentally, the banning of the use of DDT (pesticide) has cost millions of people their lives in Africa to malaria. This was brought on a by a scare by the book "Silent Spring" by Rachel Carson who Al Gore has said was his initial inspiration to the Green Movement.

We can argue this forever....and to be honest I have not seen any facts from you either. I would bet that most of the articles and science is backed from industry though.....

This issue gets debated all the time...The gloabl warming side is not afraid of the debate and they will not spend time everytime someone writes an article on some science web page.

As for DDT you are not quite correct. DDT is still used in Africa and many malaria riddled countires. It is less effective in areas due to the life cycle of mosquitoes is continous in those regions. They also use it more effectively now instead of mass spraying in the past that got into the food chain due to bio-accumulation.
I beleive either last year or the year befoe the WHO passed the continued use of DDT for most of its projects.
I see you picked this pesticide due to the fact there is still a debate on if it really does effect humans and wildlife.....And the nice tie in to Gore...

You can point out errors in most ways of thinking and people. I guess if you want to focus on all the negetive instead of doing anything about it that is fine...

Sorry but I like the idea of carbon taxes, paid Ecological services and green power. If it hurts or slows down industry that is fine...I want a great place for my grand kids to grow up in....

Well if you want to leave a planet of global socialism for your grandkids , where the elite decide how we live our lives while they jet around the planet sipping champagne, you're headed down the right track. That's not what I want for my nieces and nephew though.

And by the way...I have posted a ton of facts with scientific studies backing them up that all demonstrate why global warming is NOT linked to CO2 increases. Neither you, nor any of the other alarmists have shown a single scientific study that proves CO2 causes global warming. Watch the video and tell me where their science is wrong. I can tell you why Al Gore is wrong and I have. Now it's your turn.

Here is a link for you from your friend...all about people from the "other side" lol

www.davidsuzuki.org/Climate_Change/Science/Skeptics.asp

The movie that Gore NARRATED equals your movie and more...

I mean why keep showing links....Most things that I have read here are not facts, just like the polar bear post. Most of the links that are posted on this topic are easily cleared up...Just like DDT you are just not correct. You are just holding on to CO2 what about other greenhouse gases in combination with CO2.

Are the elite not flying around right now???? I think you got global socialism and the world that we have right now mixed up!

Shedcrazy

He has a drum and he just can't stop beating it. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Robin

CO2 is the gas that we are being told we need to reduce in order to stop global warming. It has been identified as the "evil" gas. That is why it is the only gas I refer to.

Your link to the Suzuki site failed to provide a single link to any data that demonstrate how rising CO2 levels CAUSE global warming. It only referred to some eco rags (Mother Jones etc).Global warming has happened in the past several times. Each time this has happened CO2 levels have increased AFTER global warming (800 year lag) from the Vostock ice core data and another independent ice core survey which I can't remember. Furhtermore, global warming as caused by greenhouse gases mean that tropospheric temperatures should be warmer than they are. Global warming has been taking place for several thousand years with some ups (medieval warm period) and downs (Little Ice age) with no correlation to CO2 levels but with a strong correlation to sun activity. This is science. This is historical fact.

Smearing the names of scientists that disagree with you is NOT a scientific argument. If you want to discredit them...show me where they are wrong. This is what Suzuki et al have failed to do. They refer to IPCC committees and concensus that have been fabricated. Several scientists that were members of the IPCC commitee had to threaten to sue to have their names removed from the IPCC report because they didn't support the "science" behind it.

Actually if you read most of the info at the website you have posted and the one you did..you see that there is three gases they are concerned about:

Carbon dioxide is the main contributor to climate change, especially through the burning of fossil fuels.
Methane is produced naturally when vegetation is burned, digested or rotted without the presence of oxygen. Large amounts of methane are released by cattle farming, waste dumps, rice farming and the production of oil and gas.
Nitrous oxide, released by chemical fertilizers and burning fossil fuels, has a global warming potential 310 times that of carbon dioxide.

I am not sure where you got that I am swearing names...I do believe you have with Gore and Suzuki. I have never heard of most of the sites you have linked nor know their backing is what I meant.

www.pembina.org/climate-change/science-overview.php

Here is another one...and why don't you look at the links on these two sites...

I am sure you have heard of them...!!!

I am tired of this...and it can not be solved here. The bottom line is that being energy efficient is a good thing. There are a lot of people trying to get that message out...not sure what the message of don't do anything helps...

I'm getting kind of tired of this too. Good arguments Shed. I will have to respectfully disagree with you as I am still unconvinced that greenhouse gases are playing a significant role in global warming.

Suffice it to say that when people like Suzuki claim the science is complete my spidy senses go into overdrive. Science should always be open to debate and skeptical scientists opinions should always be welcomed.

As the old well wishing goes..."May you live in interesting times." And to that I can easily say that we most certainly do and will likely continue to do so for several years to come.

Thanks for the links and the reading assignments.

Well I hope that Rug is correct about all of this, couse if Zukie is right we are all screwed.

Jamie

Hey Shed, you are the first to provide a semi-solid counter argument! Thank you. Also, thank you for being respectful, I will respond in kind! Insults accomplish nothing.

I will disagree with your opinion about Rug not providing facts. Rug has posted dozens of links to support his opinion. How many have you put up? Probably more than I have.

The point is that neither Rug nor I dispute the fact that mankind is an awful presence on this planet. We harm more than help. All of us will agree to that. Where we disagree is the extent as to how we harm. I cannot believe that humans can change the climate of a 6 billion year old planet in 200 years of industrialization! It is self-serving science. Shed, thank you for the respectful and insightful responses, but in your next post, could you please post what the percentage of industrialization is in comparison to the age of the planet! My guess, a blink of an eye or less.

Well I don't have all the facts at my finger tips as for increases during the industrailization era..here is a chart that shows the increase...yes there are times that CO2 has increased and decreased but look at this curve!

www.davidsuzuki.org/Climate_Change/Science/

As far as facts posted...one video that is slanted just as bad as AL Gore narrated movie isn't fact.

One month is the coldest is just using statistics to your advantage.

I have my dubts about that poll....The people that visit Enviro sites wold not vote that way....It would be like running a hunting poll on PETA and hunting winning in a landslide...now come on...Let's be real!

More facts from the sites I have posted already
"Human activities have caused a dramatic increase in the amount of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the earth's atmosphere. Since about 1750, the concentration of CO2 has risen from about 280 parts per million by volume (ppmv) to reach 377 ppmv in 2004 — a value that has likely not been exceeded during the past 20 million years. CO2 is a "greenhouse gas" (GHG) that captures heat and warms the atmosphere."

Note sure what else you want!

I can say this at least at the end of day if my side is wrong and we have decreased fossil fuel use, became more enegy efficient, destroyed less habitat..then I still think that is a great victory....Sitting around trying to find faults in everything and not improving anything and worrying about if Suzuki is driving in a bus or Gore has stock in a green company isn't improving anything. Does anyone that is arguing against global warming work for industry??? have stock in some type of industry???? I am imagine some do..does that mean your opinion means nothing????

As for as Suzuki I am have no real opinion. I think that he done alot for the environment...has he made a living form it sure...we all need to earn money. I do not agree with some of his views though and that is everyone right. I liked his idea of the nature challange but disagree strongly on a few of his points.

I think that people thinkthat the effect on the planet or that the increase is so small (CO2) that it can't be helped or stoped. That kind of thinking doesn't solve anything.