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What does your elk go? I like how he extends into the next room
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A guy I worked with swore by the European way to score them. Fill a container with water and see how much water is displaced by the antlers when submerged. Was a better way in his opinion as there is no reason for us to subtract something that animal grew.
Seems like a way better system to me also.
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The problem with displacement is the fact that animals can have vastly different bone densities based on all kinds of factors. For example I have one 80” fresh as they come shed that weighs nearly 3lbs and on other spectrum there another off a different deer that has almost identical measurements and weighs half as much. Leaves so much to chance imo. Agree that b&c doesn’t give credit where due in lots of cases but Same would go with any system.
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12-12-2019, 07:55 PM
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Scoring at many of these events is extremely flawed in many cases. Useless really.
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If you're not happy with your score, you'll get a 100% refund.
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The problem with displacement is the fact that animals can have vastly different bone densities based on all kinds of factors. For example I have one 80” fresh as they come shed that weighs nearly 3lbs and on other spectrum there another off a different deer that has almost identical measurements and weighs half as much. Leaves so much to chance imo. Agree that b&c doesn’t give credit where due in lots of cases but Same would go with any system.
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Displacement isn’t a measure of weight, it’s a measure of volume no matter the weight.
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12-12-2019, 07:57 PM
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A bunch higher than that. He was officially scored with 20 or so more inches.
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So mid 180's?
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12-12-2019, 08:00 PM
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So mid 180's?
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I was guessing 188
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12-12-2019, 08:31 PM
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What does your elk go? I like how he extends into the next room
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So does my wife. Laughing!
He’s in the mid 340’s
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12-12-2019, 08:33 PM
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If you're not happy with your score, you'll get a 100% refund.
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My point is, that it is not the place to have score crystallized.
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12-12-2019, 08:33 PM
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So mid 180's?
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Low 180’s, Yes.
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12-12-2019, 08:49 PM
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Displacement isn’t a measure of weight, it’s a measure of volume no matter the weight.
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Yes you are 100% correct. Total face palm on my behalf. Not that it will ever happen but if it was a thing, skull plate dimensions and thickness would have to be controlled to a high level of accuracy to maintain a fair system. Like mentioned previously though The current b&c system and there minimum scores are at a level that truly is an exceptional trophy. Not sure if exact statistics but imagine only a 1 or 2 percent of harvests each year qualify.
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Yes you are 100% correct. Total face palm on my behalf. Not that it will ever happen but if it was a thing, skull plate dimensions and thickness would have to be controlled to a high level of accuracy to maintain a fair system. Like mentioned previously though The current b&c system and there minimum scores are at a level that truly is an exceptional trophy. Not sure if exact statistics but imagine only a 1 or 2 percent of harvests each year qualify.
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They dip each side individually up to the rim of the bases.
I think the stats are more like 4-6 deer per year that actually make book in Alberta if I’m not mistaken.
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12-12-2019, 09:07 PM
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Low 180’s, Yes.
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Gross or net
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12-12-2019, 09:17 PM
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Low 180’s, Yes.
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12-12-2019, 09:29 PM
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They dip each side individually up to the rim of the bases.
I think the stats are more like 4-6 deer per year that actually make book in Alberta if I’m not mistaken.
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Just pulled this off b&c website.
. Continent-wide, what are the odds of a deer hunter collecting and entering a Boone and Crockett-qualifying whitetail?
. Approximately 1 in 20,000. There are roughly 10 million deer hunters who now enter about 500 whitetails a year in Boone and Crockett records. By comparison, in Wisconsin, which now produces the most trophy whitetails with about 130 a year, and has some 600,000 deer hunters, the odds are approximately 1 in 4,500.
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So does my wife. Laughing!
He’s in the mid 340’s
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Nice! The one I shot this year won’t go where my previous PB does now. And it’s not a shoulder mount
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You need a bigger space for sure! I’ve got two more that score similarly, but all of them get their inches from different places.
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Took this buck to a horn scoring show. They grossed him in the low 160’s. That was the first and last time I’ll do that.
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Obvious there was a math mistake. Rather then looking at the score sheet and reminding the scorer to include inside spread. You boycott all horn scoring nights and condemn them?
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12-13-2019, 06:22 AM
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Took this buck to a horn scoring show. They grossed him in the low 160’s. That was the first and last time I’ll do that.
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I’d put him at 168-170 range, he has week backs and not super long fronts on him
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I’d put him at 168-170 range, he has week backs and not super long fronts on him
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Laughing!
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Obvious there was a math mistake. Rather then looking at the score sheet and reminding the scorer to include inside spread. You boycott all horn scoring nights and condemn them?
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Sure. It was said on this thread that a horn scoring night would set the record straight on the score and main beam of Kurt’s deer. I’m here to tell you that no, that’s not necessarily the case.
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I’d put him at 168-170 range, he has week backs and not super long fronts on him
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I would agree
Not that wide either
Its a nice deer
But just one that doesnt score well
Your obviously proud of him, who really cares what it scores?
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So you don’t think he’d gross in the low 160’s?
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Sure. It was said on this thread that a horn scoring night would set the record straight on the score and main beam of Kurt’s deer. I’m here to tell you that no, that’s not necessarily the case.
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I agree, it depends on the event imo. I’ve been to some where the scorers need help with the scoring and some where they obviously knew what they were doing.
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Personally i think 170 max
Its a mature buck that just doesnt have whats needed to score well
His forks arent that deep
Not overly wide
Hes got great mass though
But gets the short end of the stick the way b&c scores mule deer
The score doesnt reflect the quality of your deer
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Personally i think 170 max
Its a mature buck that just doesnt have whats needed to score well
His forks arent that deep
Not overly wide
Hes got great mass though
But gets the short end of the stick the way b&c scores mule deer
The score doesnt reflect the quality of your deer
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After going over it, it looks like
60” in points
42” in mass
48” in beams
20” in spread
But if I was to look at a picture of my deer I would probably get In the 170-180 range. It grows in real life and the numbers start adding up on the score card.
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Personally i think 170 max
Its a mature buck that just doesnt have whats needed to score well
His forks arent that deep
Not overly wide
Hes got great mass though
But gets the short end of the stick the way b&c scores mule deer
The score doesnt reflect the quality of your deer
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It’s a deer that would also benefit from displacement.
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After going over it, it looks like
60” in points
42” in mass
48” in beams
20” in spread
But if I was to look at a picture of my deer I would probably get In the 170-180 range. It grows in real life and the numbers start adding up on the score card.
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He benefits greatly from 4” G1’s
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After going over it, it looks like
60” in points
42” in mass
48” in beams
20” in spread
But if I was to look at a picture of my deer I would probably get In the 170-180 range. It grows in real life and the numbers start adding up on the score card.
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Here’s what I get.
66” in points
37” in mass
46” in beams
19” in spread
I also when I first seen your whitey I would have guessed 170ish nice whitey as well congrats!
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Here’s what I get.
66” in points
37” in mass
46” in beams
19” in spread
I also when I first seen your whitey I would have guessed 170ish nice whitey as well congrats!
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Thank you.
Every single person who has seen the picture then seen it in real life or who seen it in real life then asked for pictures has said the pictures just don’t do it justice. Even when I was field judging it I guessed him in the 170-180 range before I shot. His mass is what helps give him his score but it’s also what makes it so deceiving. The best way to describe it is it’s like looking at an average set of antlers through a magnifying glass because everything just seems proportionately larger, but when you see the nearly 50” of mass in real life it grows to 200” real fast lol.
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That like my last Mulie he has 43.5” of mass. I also have an Elk that has 11” bases and ends with 8” of mass at the tops. Gotta love mass!
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