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Old 12-14-2019, 12:10 AM
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I’m not trolling anyone. It’s my opinion and I was only stating that they serve no purpose other than target shooting. I will stay out of this one I guess as it’s a one sided fight and I really don’t care that much.
Spoken like an anti. I don't like it therefore it must not exist. "I'll sacrifice the thing I don't like to keep what I like". Textbook sellout to those who seek to divide and conquer. If you sell others out, prepare to meet the same fate shortly thereafter when they come for your arms, because nothing satiates the anti, success at partial bans merely increases their appetite..

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

The only reason they can't be used for hunting is laws that's state they can't be used for hunting. They'd be perfectly fine for hunting if it was legal. Your argument in that respect is circular and completely illogical.
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Old 12-14-2019, 12:17 AM
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Does anyone know how Alberta having its own CFO might impact this decision by the Feds? Would we need our own provincial police force (replace the RCMP) so that there would be no one to perform the confiscations?

How would this all play out?
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Old 12-14-2019, 12:26 AM
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Why is a person suddenly more deadly when they own a restricted firearm? Does owning an AR or Handgun magically make you a stone cold killer? If you arent going to break laws with a long gun why would it be any different with a restricted firearm?

Can you honestly tell me that you can do more damage with an AR then you could crashing a motor vehicle (doing 100km/hr) into a public space like a mall or amusment park?

There are no ways to make life safe. Its dangerous just getting up in the morning. I wish bad people didnt exist but unfortunately they do. Frankly its a small miracle that we have as safe a society as do.

Banning guns wont do anything to make it safer.

PS I dont currently own any restricted firearms but I will defend peoples right to own them till blue in the face. The type of firearm isnt the issue its the person using it.
you are taking what I said out of context. I don’t go around advocating for the ban of these guns. I shared my opinion with y’all and honestly that’s as far as it will go. I apologize if I hurt some feelings or struck some cords. I will be more careful about what I share in the future. Forget I said anything. I don’t feel like arguing about something that is so low on my priority list
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Old 12-14-2019, 12:28 AM
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you are taking what I said out of context. I don’t go around advocating for the ban of these guns. I shared my opinion with y’all and honestly that’s as far as it will go. I apologize if I hurt some feelings or struck some cords. I will be more careful about what I share in the future. Forget I said anything. I don’t feel like arguing about something that is so low on my priority list
ITs all good. Just many like minded people who enjoy firearms believe that we either stand united or we fall seperately.

I am not into the SKS thing or other semi auto's I shoot for precision. That does not mean that others out there in our community dont enjoy those type of firearms as much or more than I enjoy my target and hunting rifles. I support them and there right to enjoy there property and hope they will do the same for me.
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Old 12-14-2019, 12:29 AM
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Spoken like an anti. I don't like it therefore it must not exist. "I'll sacrifice the thing I don't like to keep what I like". Textbook sellout to those who seek to divide and conquer. If you sell others out, prepare to meet the same fate shortly thereafter when they come for your arms, because nothing satiates the anti, success at partial bans merely increases their appetite..

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

The only reason they can't be used for hunting is laws that's state they can't be used for hunting. They'd be perfectly fine for hunting if it was legal. Your argument in that respect is circular and completely illogical.
And tell me who the hell im selling out exactly? Listen hear, I’m not going to argue with you about this because I really just don’t care. It’s all good caber, seriously let it go. I don’t care.
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Old 12-14-2019, 12:32 AM
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ITs all good. Just many of like minded people who love to enjoy firearms believe that we either stand united or we fall seperately.
I get it, I just find no practical use for the military style guns. I’ve fired them on occasions and just don’t get the hype. That’s me. I have a open mind and understand what is not for me may be for many others so I apologize for offending some. Guess I should lay off the beer when I’m typing lol
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Old 12-14-2019, 12:36 AM
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Bickering amongst the firearms community serves no purpose and hurts us all in the long run. It doesn't matter if you are a primitive weapons owner who does all your hunting with muzzleloaders, a sole non-restricted guy who only owns bolt guns and pump actions or a guy who owns it all and enjoys target shooting with AR's and handguns, when we attack one another and openly advocate for the private property of a fellow gun owner to be taken by force by the government we drive wedges and only help the gun grabbers and the anti's.

We're all like minded, all on the same team, all owners of firearms in one capacity or another and only with a united front and the mindset that an attack on one by the government is an attack on all can we hope to stave off this ridiculous notion that restricted gun owners, the most vetted citizens in the nation, should have their private property taken from them in a pathetic attempt by this government to appear to be taking action against gang crime in Toronto.
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Old 12-14-2019, 12:39 AM
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Bickering amongst the firearms community serves no purpose and hurts us all in the long run. It doesn't matter if you are a primitive weapons owner who does all your hunting with muzzleloaders, a sole non-restricted guy who only owns bolt guns and pump actions or a guy who owns it all and enjoys target shooting with AR's and handguns, when we attack one another and openly advocate for the private property of a fellow gun owner to be taken by force by the government we drive wedges and only help the gun grabbers and the anti's.

We're all like minded, all on the same team, all owners of firearms in one capacity or another and only with a united front and the mindset that an attack on one by the government is an attack on all can we hope to stave off this ridiculous notion that restricted gun owners, the most vetted citizens in the nation, should have their private property taken from them in a pathetic attempt by this government to appear to be taking action against gang crime in Toronto.
I couldnt agree more. Well stated. Thank you
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Old 12-14-2019, 12:50 AM
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And tell me who the hell im selling out exactly? Listen hear, I’m not going to argue with you about this because I really just don’t care. It’s all good caber, seriously let it go. I don’t care.
Just pointing out the obvious. Everyone else gets it, I was just hoping you'd have an epiphany and get some clarity on the issue. Did you at least hit the link to the famous Martin Niemoller poem? Maybe not? I'll post it here:


First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me




I'll give it a twist and see if it helps with translation:

First they come for the FAL's and I did not say anything because I dd not have an FAL

Then they came for the AR-15's and I did not say anything because I did not have an AR-15.

Then they came for the semi-auto's and I did not say anything because I did not have a semi-auto.

Then they came for the centrefire bolt actions, and I did not say anything because I did not have a centrefire bolt action

Then they came for the break action shotguns and no one was left to speak for me.




This is about when social conditions for a repeat of the original poem are ready to occur yet again.......

If you can't comprehend your thought process from this explanation then I give up too. Please don't be that guy. What I said was offensive? Unfortunately it was in response to the offensive and ridiculous thing that you said that affects a lot of us here, perhaps just reflect on that. Have I ever posted something on AO that proposes support to make your possessions illegal? Dead nope there.
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Old 12-14-2019, 12:51 AM
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Naaah, me don't think it’ll fly with me. Never bought a firearm from the government, so buy ‘back’ doesn't work. If you want to by my firearms, I guess I should be willing to sell first. And then we could negotiate the price. But don’t assume I’d sell them all, just like I wouldn’t leave my household screwdriver-less, or shovel-less. See, tools are useful and fun to own.
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Old 12-14-2019, 05:38 AM
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My neighbor is 85 and I am 81. She has, at any one time, 100 votes for her. She BELIEVES that if guns are outlawed there will be reduced crime. I believe, as with the rest of this board, that people should be outlawed. I am one vote, she is 100, guess what. I probable got my figures wrong, but you get my drift.
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Old 12-14-2019, 05:59 AM
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Sure, but why is some manic going to shoot just me with a 30.06? I’m sure that they would be able to take down many more using a military style semi automatic assault rifle. Listen. It’s my opinion. I have no use for the military looking semi autos. I’m a hunter and most will hunt with hunting rifles. Most will target shoot with the militia guns. But some might be inclined to do something stupid with the military style before my hunting rifle. It’s my opinion
I spend a lot of time at the range, either shooting or doing maintenance, and whether you realize it or not, many firearms owners are not hunters, many are target shooters, either competitively, or purely recreational. You may think that hunters are more important than target shooters, but those target shooters feel that target shooting is just as legitimate as hunting. If you stand by and say nothing while the government bans their target firearms, what do you suppose those target shooters will do when they lose their firearms, and the government then comes after your firearms? They no longer have a use for firearms, and you never supported them, so they won't care, and they won't support you.
I don't own some types of firearms, as I don't have a use for them, but I will oppose any attempt by the government to ban any firearms, because once the bans start, they won't end until no civilians own firearms. So either we firearms owners stand together. or we do exactly what the government wants, and let them divide us, into smaller groups that offer less resistance to their attack on legal firearms owners.
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Old 12-14-2019, 06:45 AM
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People could band together and form the people's army of Canada and overthrow the current government in a heartbeat. I bet there would be little resistance
This will work, band together and march on Ottawa. With signs and our voice, but how many would show up? If I did the rebel call today would 2 million licensed gun owners show up...and that is why they can do what they want.
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Old 12-14-2019, 07:19 AM
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From my perspective, the only thing a full out firearms ban will do is create a better and more profitable network for organized crime. These organizations are winning with every single commodity made illegal.

Unfortunately the governments around the world aren’t capable of containing the advancements made through technology and slack judicial evolution, so instead of taking sensible approaches to things they cannot control they make channels to coddle the very thing they are trying to eliminate which in turn makes a more sustainable market for the problem to begin with.

The hammer doesn’t hit hard enough to uphold justice anymore and the snowflakes just keep falling.
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Old 12-14-2019, 07:29 AM
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Some people are just a little naive. A ban on " military style weapons" is ok who needs them,smh. With the fiasco involving 10/22 mags and a handgun that 5 people in Canada own,prohibited. The bolt action rifle was and still is a very effective military and police sniper weapon. Letter of the law and all guns will be prohibited.
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Old 12-14-2019, 07:34 AM
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Those people are coming.....

You people need to make a stand......

Some people may not understand....

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Old 12-14-2019, 07:42 AM
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I think that those military style guns should be banned. At the very least they should be governed stricter. Who really needs them. I’m a hunter and they don’t do me no good.
You must be one of those Turdettes I'm hearing about. Put a loaded AR15 on a table fully loaded. Then sit down and make sure it does't get up on IT'S OWN and hurt someone. Does your vehilce need to go faster than 110 kph? Do you need your hunting rifles? Grocery stores have Food. You could bash someone's head in with your computer. Is the little light coming on in your head yet?
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Old 12-14-2019, 07:45 AM
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Old 12-14-2019, 08:02 AM
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Sparkle Sock's handler's put sentences like this in the briefing:

Continue to protect the rights of hunters and farmers. There will not be a return of the long-gun registry.

To divide the firearms community. Why should I worry it is not affecting me? Just like an earlier poster said --- eventually it will and there will be no one there to help.

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Old 12-14-2019, 08:11 AM
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Too bad turdo wouldn't come himself knocking on doors for our military style semi auto firearms. We could all go to walmart and buy guns that shoot those foam darts and hand those in. He'd probably never know the difference.
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Old 12-14-2019, 08:14 AM
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I think that those military style guns should be banned. At the very least they should be governed stricter. Who really needs them. I’m a hunter and they don’t do me no good.
Wow just wow. All your back peddling won't change the fact that you are the enemy of sportsmen and gun owners. You think just because you don't have a need or want no one else should. You have no idea, enjoy the decline
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Old 12-14-2019, 08:25 AM
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Does anyone know how Alberta having its own CFO might impact this decision by the Feds? Would we need our own provincial police force (replace the RCMP) so that there would be no one to perform the confiscations?

How would this all play out?
federal laws would be enforced , whether by rcmp , eps , calgary police or a provincial police
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Old 12-14-2019, 08:25 AM
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This will work, band together and march on Ottawa. With signs and our voice, but how many would show up? If I did the rebel call today would 2 million licensed gun owners show up...and that is why they can do what they want.
Ya theres a lot of puffy chested people here, ever see the zebra just give up when the lion tackled it? That's what 90% of the so called firearm owners on AO will do. The only military personnel that would turn would be the newest voters that he brought in.

Call me what you want but at least I won't roll over and surrender to the communist party of Canada
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Old 12-14-2019, 08:36 AM
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Old 12-14-2019, 08:38 AM
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federal laws would be enforced , whether by rcmp , eps , calgary police or a provincial police
They don't enforce the gun laws that are already on the books, so why would this be any different?

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Old 12-14-2019, 08:39 AM
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the Lieberals have given notice they are going to ban not only the AR15, but a large number of other semi autos as well. if they go full out kiwi style on the shooting community the Marlin model 60 rimfire rifles will also be on the list, along with your grandfather's semi auto shotguns. eventually bolt action hunting rifles will be on the "buy back" list because hunting is barbaric and must be outlawed. this upcoming confiscation isn't about public safety, it is about controlling a population, and it is the first step.
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Old 12-14-2019, 08:45 AM
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Watch this video... the is embodies the issues we are facing here in Canada, what a great response to those who want to take private property and freedom away.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HZmkv-...3Vhro2wo37pmLI

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Old 12-14-2019, 08:51 AM
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They don't enforce the gun laws that are already on the books, so why would this be any different?
I WILL AGREE, and I VOTE, but it is a dieing sport because we do not stick to-gether. I get a great kick out of someone who says, and I quote, you don't need a AR15 to hunt deer or a semi-automatic rifle. But until they have ALL GUNS banned, will they stick to-gether? "NO". They will take up pool playing or something, OH WELL.
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Old 12-14-2019, 09:11 AM
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I think that those military style guns should be banned. At the very least they should be governed stricter. Who really needs them. I’m a hunter and they don’t do me no good.
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you are taking what I said out of context. I don’t go around advocating for the ban of these guns. I shared my opinion with y’all and honestly that’s as far as it will go. I apologize if I hurt some feelings or struck some cords. I will be more careful about what I share in the future. Forget I said anything. I don’t feel like arguing about something that is so low on my priority list
No need to apologize for stating your opinion, this is a discussion forum; it doesn't matter who gets their panties in a knot over it. As much as I, and many others, disagree with your opinion on this topic, please do not censor yourself on this or other topics in the future. Open discussion includes considering opposing points of view, and thick skin.

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Old 12-14-2019, 09:30 AM
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Listen. It’s my opinion. I have no use for the military looking semi autos. I’m a hunter...
Don't be surprised when, after you voted to ban target shooting, everyone who used to be a target shooter votes to ban hunting. Divided we fall.

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Listen hear, I’m not going to argue with you about this because I really just don’t care. It’s all good caber, seriously let it go. I don’t care.
Pathetic. Time to crawl back into your safe space and stop trolling the people who do care about the loss of their rights and freedoms.
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