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Elk surprisingly Cabela's cannot get enough 30-30's to fill the demand at the North store..... You should work some retail, get some real life experience.......LOL
What percentage of total sales figures do you think the new 30-30 rifles make up?10%? 5%?, 1%?. When I started hunting almost 50 years ago, it was likely 20 of all rifle sales.
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150 yards....150gr Hornady pill did the job very effectively....rifle was made in the 1920's and the scope in the 1930's....long live the thuddy thuddy


ohhh should mention that the rifle is chambered in 30Rem....Remigtons attempt to run with the 30-30 Win....it died out but is a very similar cartridge...
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As far as original question is concerned. Yes it is still worth using .
Animals haven't magically gotten harder to kill within the 30/40's parameters and they can still be found in abundance at this'd ranges .
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Elk surprisingly Cabela's cannot get enough 30-30's to fill the demand at the North store..... You should work some retail, get some real life experience.......LOL
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brace yourself sns2

30-30...pretty sweet cartridge even today and yet it's 125 years old

ran some numbers on a typical 30-30, 150 gr load at full 24” barrel rated velocity 2390 fps(1903 ft/lbs energy) and it shows a 6.6” pbr range of 225 yards with a 190 yard zero (3” high to 3.6” low of point of aim) and a 17” drop at 300 yards with 20” of 10 mph wind drift, it’s sad b.c. of only .186 means it drops off the face of the earth real quick and blows in the wind real easy past pbr, but within it’s pbr it’s pretty strong numbers

at 200 yards the 30-30 still has about 1700 fps(962 ft/lbs energy) with a .226 s.d. should offer decent penetration still, I believe history bears this truth out 😉

for a modern look at a similar horsepower cartridge you’d want to look at the 6.5 Grendel, slightly less ft/lbs muzzle energy and recoil energy, this is where 125 years difference comes into play…

the 6.5 Grendel 123 gr load at full 24” barrel rated velocity of 2580 fps(1818 ft/lbs energy) and it shows a 6.6” pbr range of 275 yards with a 225 yard zero, (3” high to 3.6” low of point of aim) and a 6.7” drop at 300 yards with 5.8” of 10 mph wind drift, with it’s outstanding b.c. of .5 means it hangs onto it’s trajectory significantly further and fights wind equally so

at 200 yards the 6.5 Grendel still has about 2295 fps(1439 ft/lbs energy) with a .252 s.d. offers very good penetration and it’s short history bears this out also (16 year history)

at 300 yards the 6.5 Grendel still holds down 2153 fps (1266 ft/lbs energy) and a similar number for the 30-30 for that velocity would be 60 yards (2165 fps & 1560 ft/lbs), if one wanted to put an impact velocity limit of say 1800 fps on the 30-30 load that would be 165 yards and the 6.5 Grendel would be 570 yards…to lend perspective of what’s possible with modern vs the original

note: I just chose a basic 150 gr standard load for comparison purposes only for the 30-30 as a true original vs modern comparison, modern loads like the ftx leverevolution with more horsepower and better b.c. will obviously improve the numbers for a 30-30 for hunting today, but I’d have to wager you’re only going to add about 50-75 yards effective range over the example shown here, still night and day differences in potential, you won’t notice much difference inside 200 yards on game however, the versatility of the modern is well past most peoples ability to use it, nice that it’s there for those who can utilize it for far wider range of hunting situations and applications

that sweet little carbine pictured above, the modern version of that would be the ruger American ranch in 6.5 Grendel with the 16.1” barrel, 36” overall length, low 6 lb range out of the box, 10 round detach magazine, mine shoots around ¾ moa out to 500 yards in my hands with a leupold 6x36 fixed scope and weighs just over 7 lbs all up in some weaver low rings, cz 527 looks to have a 16” barrel model now also if a modern performance stubby carbine is your jam, you could do everything the old thirty does and then double to 2.5x the distances if you care to set up for that, I put a cds-zl turret on mine and can dial up for coyotes or target fun up to 600 yards, the 540 yard wind drift of the Grendel is the same as the 300 yard wind drift of the 30-30 example here, hit probability near zero with one of these options on a hung up coyote ranged and dialed at 500, much more likely to scare the shat out of the coyote with the Grendel

this could explain why sales trends go the way they do, we can do so much more for the powder we burn now, can do the same job at double to triple the distances of old

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This this thread is about the 30/30 Stniky Coyote , not your favorite cartridge of the day, week or month .
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Here's my 30-30. If you look closely, you'll see some j@ckarse carved a notch into the forearm for every deer he shot with it.





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What percentage of total sales figures do you think the new 30-30 rifles make up?10%? 5%?, 1%?. When I started hunting almost 50 years ago, it was likely 20 of all rifle sales.
Moot point..
You're right, compared to many years ago when there weren't the cartridges available the 30-30 had a high percentage overall.
Mean squat.
If it has 'only' 5% of sales now you have to compare that to the percentages of the other cartridges...if they are no higher than it means it still sells as good as anything else.
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This this thread is about the 30/30 Stniky Coyote , not your favorite cartridge of the day, week or month .
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stniky says any 30-30 thread is open invitation to bring in the modern equivalent into it, especially when discussion has some questions about why it may or may not be selling as well as it used to around performance etc.

ps i've had a bone for this modern day 30-30 equivalent since about 2005, so it's not a flavor of the month

everyone seems to have pretty solid grasp of what a 20th century 30-30 does, just lending the 21st century equivalent so we all know what that is too...and it's a 6.5 Grendel

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Old 10-06-2020, 01:43 PM
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I still shoot my marlin 3030,but I just got a savage saddle ring carbine model 1899c in 30 30,in very good to excellent condition ,the peep sights on it are mint.I never shot peep sight till the other day,cool.

My older brother who is now 80 gave it to me and it was my grandfathers.rifle is made in 1917 has ivory sight on front with half moon flip down sight. I know very little about these rifles,thuogh I did shoot it after a good barrel cleaning.My bro got in 1958 and shot one deer in 1967 with it and it was in his room since then.

If anyone can tell me more about this rifle please pm me.I do want to hunt with it,cool to shot something my grandfather used to feed my mother ,plus I never met my grandfather he died around when I was born.. Nicest gift ever given to me.I offered to buy it some 35 years ago and he told me wait and you will get it, heck so and I did.

I have shot deer,moose ,bears ,caribou,wolves with a 30 30 with no problem at all.

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Old 10-06-2020, 01:44 PM
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Hunted here in Montana for 5 years mainly with a .35 Remington. As a side note, I have never had to shoot anything over 90 yards. Been pretty luck I have been able to sneak up that close. I would not consider the 30/30 to be outdated. As others have said, great gun within it's limitations. Take it and go hunt some cut lines.
That's a typical range, for most hunting kills. But we don't have to fool ourselves into thinking it's only a 100 yard cartridge. Both the 30-30 and .35 Rem will kill at 200 yards and beyond. An experienced shooter and hunter on Gunnutz killed a deer at 300 yards with his 30-30 with one well placed shot.

We know that "foot/pounds" doesn't kill. It's an interesting measure, but look at how many foot/pounds old BP gun/cartridges, and pistoleros use to get the job done.
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my bad, the 30-30 is a 19th century cartridge, the Grendel is a 21st century cartridge...the 30-30 is alright in my books, still kickin azz and takin names
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Moot point..
You're right, compared to many years ago when there weren't the cartridges available the 30-30 had a high percentage overall.
Mean squat.
If it has 'only' 5% of sales now you have to compare that to the percentages of the other cartridges...if they are no higher than it means it still sells as good as anything else.
I personally am tiring our your attitude that anyone who has a different opinion than you is just 'wrong'.
You just confirmed what I was saying, at one time the 30-30 was used by a much higher percentage of people, that means that it was more popular then. That is all that I was saying. And it still does what it did back then, it's just that these days most people prefer a different cartridge.
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I saw a real nice early fifties chev truck on the weekend yes my new truck is "better" but it was great to see a lovingly restored truck of that age on the road.

nostalgia can be good and it's not like the deer wear body armor now.

A lever in 30-30 is one of those guns that fit in a well rounded gun case.
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30-30...pretty sweet cartridge even today and yet it's 125 years old

ran some numbers on a typical 30-30, 150 gr load at full 24” barrel rated velocity 2390 fps(1903 ft/lbs energy) and it shows a 6.6” pbr range of 225 yards with a 190 yard zero (3” high to 3.6” low of point of aim) and a 17” drop at 300 yards with 20” of 10 mph wind drift, it’s sad b.c. of only .186 means it drops off the face of the earth real quick and blows in the wind real easy past pbr, but within it’s pbr it’s pretty strong numbers


A 24" barrel on a 30-30?

I'm not knocking the 30-30 but that's a unicorn.

There's really no point in talking about what a cartridge "might do" in a "specific and optimized" configuration.

Either way, the 30-30 will kill game, and it can do so effectively.
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i just assume that's the factory ammo rated barrel length? maybe 30-30 is not? anyone confirm? most everything else seems to use the standard so eitherway i was giving it the best look possible, and used about 4500' elevation to reflect some hunting round here

out of little carbines one could expect to lose a 100 yards off all the stuff i just posted, the 16" barrel grendel i have gives up 125 yards to the 24" barrel grendel i have, 1800 fps comes at 500 yards with the 24" and 375 yards with the 16" as an example, 25 fps an inch loss in my two examples, my 24" is fast though as it's a lapped custom barrel so it's 2600 fps(should be 2550-2580 fps) vs the 2386 fps from my 16.1"

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A 24" barrel on a 30-30?

I'm not knocking the 30-30 but that's a unicorn.

There's really no point in talking about what a cartridge "might do" in a "specific and optimized" configuration.

Either way, the 30-30 will kill game, and it can do so effectively.
Some 30-30 rifles were even available with a 26" barrel.
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Some 30-30 rifles were even available with a 26" barrel.
I'm sure it was. There are some 24's around for sure, never heard or seen a 26" but I don't doubt it. BUT many are 18.5" to 20" I'd imagine and they make a great compact rifle.

Anything longer than that, in my mind, defeats the purpose of it, or at least as I see it's attraction, a short, easy to wield compact bush gun that easy to shoulder, quick to acquire a target with and can be bumped, dropped and beat up without missing a beat.

If you were going to get into something at 24" or 26" in barrel length, that opens up an entirely different kind of gun in my mind.

Either way, my point was the ballistics always look better on a longer barrel and, let's be honest, it does a fine job and will continue to do a fine job for many years to come despite how it looks on paper.
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At canadian tire in red deer the other day, there was no 30-30 ammunition on the shelf. I thought that was interesting.
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I still shoot my marlin 3030,but I just got a savage saddle ring carbine model 1899c in 30 30,in very good to excellent condition ,the peep sights on it are mint.I never shot peep sight till the other day,cool.

My older brother who is now 80 gave it to me and it was my grandfathers.rifle is made in 1917 has ivory sight on front with half moon flip down sight. I know very little about these rifles,thuogh I did shoot it after a good barrel cleaning.My bro got in 1958 and shot one deer in 1967 with it and it was in his room since then.

If anyone can tell me more about this rifle please pm me.I do want to hunt with it,cool to shot something my grandfather used to feed my mother ,plus I never met my grandfather he died around when I was born.. Nicest gift ever given to me.I offered to buy it some 35 years ago and he told me wait and you will get it, heck so and I did.

I have shot deer,moose ,bears ,caribou,wolves with a 30 30 with no problem at all.

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Lots of ammo in cowtown for 30-30. 35 remington is non existent, can't even find any components for reloading.
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A 24" barrel on a 30-30?

I'm not knocking the 30-30 but that's a unicorn.

There's really no point in talking about what a cartridge "might do" in a "specific and optimized" configuration.

Either way, the 30-30 will kill game, and it can do so effectively.
30-30 Winchester Rifle Model 54 Bolt Action Rifle...unicorns do exist...
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You just confirmed what I was saying, at one time the 30-30 was used by a much higher percentage of people, that means that it was more popular then. That is all that I was saying. And it still does what it did back then, it's just that these days most people prefer a different cartridge.
Ok...last time and I'll make it overly simple.
Let's say 50 years ago there were three cartridges available and 50% of the people chose one cartridge...the 30-30.
Real popular.
Now there are 15 cartridges available. Six people use the 30-30 and four or five use one each of the other 14.
Overall the 30-30 is not as popular...but it still could be the most popular single cartridge.
Get it?
Now we'll probably never know...but for example Henry cannot keep up with demand of their new 30-30 side loading gate rifle...so someone is buying these things.
Again, just because you don't see the value of something...it doesn't mean others feel the same way.
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I would have no problem believing that by sheer numbers, more .30-30’s are sold today than “back in the day.” Just due to the increase in population as well as disposable income.
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Ok...last time and I'll make it overly simple.
Let's say 50 years ago there were three cartridges available and 50% of the people chose one cartridge...the 30-30.
Real popular.
Now there are 15 cartridges available. Six people use the 30-30 and four or five use one each of the other 14.
Overall the 30-30 is not as popular...but it still could be the most popular single cartridge.
Get it?
Now we'll probably never know...but for example Henry cannot keep up with demand of their new 30-30 side loading gate rifle...so someone is buying these things.
Again, just because you don't see the value of something...it doesn't mean others feel the same way.
I didn't post that I saw no value in it, I just stated that most people are choosing other cartridges these days. Just out of curiosity, I checked the P&D inventory, and the Prophet River inventory of new rifles in cartridges legal for big game in Alberta. Between the two stores, there were over 750 big game legal rifles, and 3 were chambered in 30-30. Yes 3 rifles out of 750 rifles, so about .4% of their inventory. If the 30-30 was still a big seller, why are these two retailers not stocking more rifles in 30-30?
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I might just be nostalgic but I think that the Winchester '94 in 30-30 caliber is probably the coolest rifle around, and to be able to take a deer or any game with it would be pretty amazing. I think if you hunt heavy bush or woods I don't think there is a better rifle around. It is fast, light and packs plenty of punch for deer up to 200 yards. If it's good enough for Longmire it's good enough for me.
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Hey guys, does anybody still hunt with a lever action 30-30? I was gifted an older Winchester 94 top eject several years ago, but never did anything with it because I thought it was a caliber of the past and not good for hunting in Alberta because of the possible long shots one can encounter.
Most shots I take at any game are within 200yards.
So who hunts with one?
Pictures are welcomed and always nice to look at.
Sure, why wouldn’t it be? Take it to the range get comfortable shooting it and good to go. I don’t have a 30-30 but I love the lever action rifles. Got myself a Browning BLR in 7mm-08, nice bush gun.
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stniky says any 30-30 thread is open invitation to bring in the modern equivalent into it, especially when discussion has some questions about why it may or may not be selling as well as it used to around performance etc.

ps i've had a bone for this modern day 30-30 equivalent since about 2005, so it's not a flavor of the month

everyone seems to have pretty solid grasp of what a 20th century 30-30 does, just lending the 21st century equivalent so we all know what that is too...and it's a 6.5 Grendel

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There are several equivalents, 7-30 Waters, 6.5 Bullberry, pretty much every case has been wildcatted up down and sideways before you were born. Take your pick. Slinging a 6.5 or 7mm bullet at 2400 fps isn't a new concept.
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That's a typical range, for most hunting kills. But we don't have to fool ourselves into thinking it's only a 100 yard cartridge. Both the 30-30 and .35 Rem will kill at 200 yards and beyond. An experienced shooter and hunter on Gunnutz killed a deer at 300 yards with his 30-30 with one well placed shot.

We know that "foot/pounds" doesn't kill. It's an interesting measure, but look at how many foot/pounds old BP gun/cartridges, and pistoleros use to get the job done.
Perhaps I should have been more clear. I did not say it was only capable of 100 yards. I just commented I have never had to shoot anything over 90 yards. That includes elk and deer with a 270WSM. I stand by my advice to take it and go hunt a cut line with it.
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I didn't post that I saw no value in it, I just stated that most people are choosing other cartridges these days. Just out of curiosity, I checked the P&D inventory, and the Prophet River inventory of new rifles in cartridges legal for big game in Alberta. Between the two stores, there were over 750 big game legal rifles, and 3 were chambered in 30-30. Yes 3 rifles out of 750 rifles, so about .4% of their inventory. If the 30-30 was still a big seller, why are these two retailers not stocking more rifles in 30-30?
We do not sell nearly as many as a percentage-wise as retailers likely did a few decades ago. I remember hardware stores selling a few guns and likely close to half were .30-30's.
However, there is a bit more to the reason we stock very few .30-30's now. The first one is because we simply can't get them. It has been months since Browning Canada (Canadian Winchester distributor) has had any in stock to get. A few Henry's still show up and typically sell fairly quickly. Same as Uberti and marlins.
It used to be people bought them as they couldn't afford anything else. Now there are way cheaper options in more modern chamberings. Nobody buys a Winchester 94 now because it is the cheapest rifle on the rack.
People buy them now because they like them and like lever guns in general but they are just as likely to buy a .38-55 or some other nostalgic number. Unlike the guy who bought a .30-30 in the 80's to save money, the modern buyer is not afraid to but a less popular round as he is not doing it for economic reasons anyway.
We still sell a lot of .30-30 ammunition, but again, likely not nearly the percentage of stores years ago
so, I do agree with your hypothesis on sales , there is a bit more to the story than just waning popularity.
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