Alberta Government Destroying our Streams

Wapiabi · #1 01-14-2021, 07:42 AM

Are we going to all roll over and let the Alberta government open up the Eastern slopes to coal mining destroying our sacred headwaters?

Perhaps a march to the legislature, we all get our waders on with fly rods in hand and cast the nastiest looking black Zonkers towards the premier . This guy does not give a rats ass about Alberta. Just like the head of the coal lobby, Robin Campbell our ex environment minister. A bunch of rats. Then there is Jason Nixon our current environment minister . Google his last legal problems and you get sense of what a quality character he is. Desperate times.

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Smoky buck · #2 01-14-2021, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Wapiabi

Are we going to all roll over and let the Alberta government open up the Eastern slopes to coal mining destroying our sacred headwaters?

Perhaps a march to the legislature, we all get our waders on with fly rods in hand and cast the nastiest looking black Zonkers towards the premier . This guy does not give a rats ass about Alberta. Just like the head of the coal lobby, Robin Campbell our ex environment minister. A bunch of rats. Then there is Jason Nixon our current environment minister . Google his last legal problems and you get sense of what a quality character he is. Desperate times.

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Another non contributing AO member posting anti coal mine threads

crazy_davey · #3 01-15-2021, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoky buck

Another non contributing AO member posting anti coal mine threads

Ya, it’s getting a little old.

338Bluff · #4 01-15-2021, 06:14 PM

So a quick look through the last 10 thread in the fly fishing forum leads me to conclude you two might not be regular contributors to the flyfishing thread either. Maybe Wapiabi is just shy.

I'm dead set against more open pit mines in the Eastern Slopes but I guess if I don't mindlessly toe the UPC line on this I'm probably not a good little AO minion either.

Its already been mentioned elsewhere that the jobs and royalties are a pittance.

So we agree to disagree

Smoky buck · #5 01-15-2021, 06:29 PM

Not the main section I post in but far from my first post in the fly fishing section or even the last 10 threads for that matter

Nothing wrong with being against the open pit mines. I see both positive and negative with it but mostly think there is better options

flyrodfisher · #6 01-15-2021, 08:37 PM

Much of Alberta's coal is met coal...as is the planned Ram River Coal project.
So....How does the carbon tax pricing work here?

1) Will ram coal have to pay a tax per tonne of shipped coal....or...do they pay only for the energy they use to mine the coal ?
2) If it is the latter, then are we just shipping the stuff to another country that can pollute without paying a carbon tax?

wannabe · #7 01-15-2021, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Wapiabi

Are we going to all roll over and let the Alberta government open up the Eastern slopes to coal mining destroying our sacred headwaters?

Perhaps a march to the legislature, we all get our waders on with fly rods in hand and cast the nastiest looking black Zonkers towards the premier . This guy does not give a rats ass about Alberta. Just like the head of the coal lobby, Robin Campbell our ex environment minister. A bunch of rats. Then there is Jason Nixon our current environment minister . Google his last legal problems and you get sense of what a quality character he is. Desperate times.

Wap

You've had months to protest this. They announced it in March. Environmentalists and other concerned citizens have been able to have their day for 3 months. A review board beyond Nixon approved it.
The company has also received support letters from all of the Treaty 7 First Nations, as well as the Métis Nation of Alberta.

I see where guys are coming from. B.C. has been polluting the waterways, killing fishing for decades. The Alberta Energy Regulator will not allow this to happen. Just think of the oilfield tailng ponds that kill a couple birds every year and the hell they endure for that from AER. Do people honestly think that the mine is going to be able to pollute and do whatever they want?

I go to those mountains every year for fishing and camping with my family. I hate the thought of this mine destroying our mountains but yet everyone is in line for the newest car and newest technologies. Unfortunately That doesn't happen without crap like this going on.

Did i also mention it will create 400 high paying jobs. Not to Mention hundreds of indirect jobs and all the local businesses who benefit. $$74 Million a year in revenue for Alberta.

wind drift · #8 01-15-2021, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by wannabe

You've had months to protest this. They announced it in March. Environmentalists and other concerned citizens have been able to have their day for 3 months. A review board beyond Nixon approved it.
The company has also received support letters from all of the Treaty 7 First Nations, as well as the Métis Nation of Alberta.

I see where guys are coming from. B.C. has been polluting the waterways, killing fishing for decades. The Alberta Energy Regulator will not allow this to happen. Just think of the oilfield tailng ponds that kill a couple birds every year and the hell they endure for that from AER. Do people honestly think that the mine is going to be able to pollute and do whatever they want?

I go to those mountains every year for fishing and camping with my family. I hate the thought of this mine destroying our mountains but yet everyone is in line for the newest car and newest technologies. Unfortunately That doesn't happen without crap like this going on.

Did i also mention it will create 400 high paying jobs. Not to Mention hundreds of indirect jobs and all the local businesses who benefit. $$74 Million a year in revenue for Alberta.

Reasonable point, but what is the cost? How does one understand the overall cost vs benefit. I don’t have the answer, but I know that there is something to be paid for things like this, and we need to accept that and be prepared for payments not foreseen.

flyrodfisher · #9 01-15-2021, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wannabe

You've had months to protest this. They announced it in March. Environmentalists and other concerned citizens have been able to have their day for 3 months. A review board beyond Nixon approved it.
The company has also received support letters from all of the Treaty 7 First Nations, as well as the Métis Nation of Alberta.

I see where guys are coming from. B.C. has been polluting the waterways, killing fishing for decades. The Alberta Energy Regulator will not allow this to happen. Just think of the oilfield tailng ponds that kill a couple birds every year and the hell they endure for that from AER. Do people honestly think that the mine is going to be able to pollute and do whatever they want?

I go to those mountains every year for fishing and camping with my family. I hate the thought of this mine destroying our mountains but yet everyone is in line for the newest car and newest technologies. Unfortunately That doesn't happen without crap like this going on.

Did i also mention it will create 400 high paying jobs. Not to Mention hundreds of indirect jobs and all the local businesses who benefit. $$74 Million a year in revenue for Alberta.

Are you talking of Ram river coal?
It is still in the development stage;

https://www.ramcoal.com/assets/docs/...ber-2019-1.pdf

Be careful of what you wish for....

wannabe · #10 01-18-2021, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by flyrodfisher

Are you talking of Ram river coal?
It is still in the development stage;

https://www.ramcoal.com/assets/docs/...ber-2019-1.pdf

Be careful of what you wish for....

I'm going to say no???
I think we're talking about an area by the Oldman

Bushrat · #11 01-16-2021, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by wannabe

Did i also mention it will create 400 high paying jobs. Not to Mention hundreds of indirect jobs and all the local businesses who benefit. $$74 Million a year in revenue for Alberta.

400 isn't very many jobs, 74 million a year is a drop in the bucket. It's like robbing the kids piggy bank in an attempt pay interest on house mortgage while we **** all over the yard devaluing the worth of the property the mortgage is liened against.

crazy_davey · #12 01-16-2021, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bushrat

400 isn't very many jobs, 74 million a year is a drop in the bucket. It's like robbing the kids piggy bank in an attempt pay interest on house mortgage while we **** all over the yard devaluing the worth of the property the mortgage is liened against.

For this small community it sure as he11 is!