Feelings about outfitters

[KegRiver]

Does anyone think about the tax dollars returned to the people of this province through government services ext by the outfitting industry, or the people employed as part of or indirectly by the Outfitting industry ? People that may well have taken the job you have had they not found employment in that industry.

It seems to me that our wildlife resources are like any other resource, except that some see it as recreation, and exclusively theirs. We seem to have no problem benefiting from oil taxes, and seem not the least bit bothered by the HUGE profits the oil companies make, but get all lathered up over a Deer tag being sold to anyone but SPORT hunters.

It seems to me there is a bit of a disconnect there.

Sold is sold as I see it. Whether sold to a local or a foreign hunter.
Whether sold for a few dollars or for a few thousand.

So why should one person have exclusive rights over another ?
Why should recreational hunters get preference over people who earn their living, however big the income? Don't both own a portion of those resources ?

There are bad outfitters out there, no doubt about it, so then by all means, lets deal with that.
But I know for fact that not all outfitters are money hungry bullies. I know some that are very decent people, and most of the outfitters I know are not getting rich. Not even close.

[steve]

Originally Posted by FCLightning

If you are that socialist in your thinking how can you support the hard line capitalist notion of giving away a scarce public resource that is in demand by and for the public to line a couple of pockets?

I didn't see the gov't stepping up to give the fellow down the road money when his manufacturing business went from 85 employees to doors closed in 2 months.

How would you feel if tomorow you couldnt support your family because the goverment shut down your source of income?

Thats my last post in this thread.

Continue on with the outfitter bashing thread...

[Justin.C]

Originally Posted by packhuntr

Im surprised you buy tags here in Ab, as by your wording its also payed hunting. You have painted yourself into a corner and are not sounding good man. Even when its boiled right down (the above statement), the core of your argument is ruined logic.

I dont buy any tags other than the same ones everybody else buys pack.. I am not ever going in to a payed hunting deal in alberta even if you could... I dont agree in APOS's system.... As for tags anywere else yes I might in my life but were I have check in to it is a draw then if you choose to hire an outfitter than you can.... I dont know what you mean by your statement but I threw th wife comment in for fun...JOKE HA HA....

[gunslinger]

Im done with this thread also. Best of luck to everyone and dont forget to bid on the gun i am donating back to help the cancer society. Its stickied at the top.

[slough shark]

I have said it before and I will say it again, I have nothing wrong with guiding or outfitters, I have an issue when they are able to hunt in a few situations or areas 1. the population simply does not warrant much hunting hence whatever opportunity is there should be for residents (the antelope situation which has been flogged to death) 2. They lock up land, significant chunks of land, (see eastern ab) often times with means that could be considered illegal (compensation of sorts). Also disband apos and put an independent body in charge with the ability and will to remove allocations never to be seen again if there is illegal activity (see lloyd mcmahon and suck ilk) I would suspect most guides and outfitters that weren't acting or speaking in completely self serving regard would agree with these statements. DONE.

[Justin.C]

Originally Posted by gunslinger

Oh you just guide americans right justin.

Tell me again when you quit guiding for outfitters and americans justin.

I held off as long as i could without bringing this up, but i have had enough of your garbage or here, you work for outfitters and you also guided beside a good friend of mine. Dallas and Jay.

You sit here and talk like this and yet you guide for us outfitters.
You should be ashamed of the garbage your trying to feed anyone on here. Terry isnt in business anymore for southern muleys but thats who you guided for ...........................change of tone or what.

Im totally sick of your bull**** hypicritcal guys and i am not wasting my time with you anymore.

6 or 7 years ago... I am sorry two low life scum bags are your freinds... Shoot first get tags from friends dallas and Indian Jay The wife stealing POS.... Glad those are my friends.....


As for me guiding.. Yes I did guide for Terry... Which is none of anybodys businees other than mine... I saw stuff I was far from fond of as I was taught different than that.. So I said no more.... So what is your point????? I dont like how APOS has a free for all and can give a non res a better opertunity than an Albertan period......... I have learned lots since guiding... I will never guid again... I was asked this year too but I did not for more than one reason....



No Change of tone Pat... why did you not answer your phone??? I would have rather talked to you then belittle anybody on the internet with limited info...

[stringer]

Originally Posted by lannie

That is not close to a "fact".

Sorry I missed a 0 in the $30,000 for guides.Thats still around $30,000 profit,not a bad chunck of change.

[elkhunter11]

Waking up in the morning and your bread and butter is gone. I think that is unfair.

Yet it happens to many business owners every year for various reasons. When you get into business, you assume risks, and if it comes down to preserving our game populations at the expense of some outfitter allocations, then the allocations must be sacrificed. Many other business owners don't get compensated if they can't make a go of it, so why should outfitters?

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

Does anyone think about the tax dollars returned to the people of this province through government services ext by the outfitting industry, or the people employed as part of or indirectly by the Outfitting industry ? People that may well have taken the job you have had they not found employment in that industry.

It seems to me that our wildlife resources are like any other resource, except that some see it as recreation, and exclusively theirs. We seem to have no problem benefiting from oil taxes, and seem not the least bit bothered by the HUGE profits the oil companies make, but get all lathered up over a Deer tag being sold to anyone but SPORT hunters.

It seems to me there is a bit of a disconnect there.

Sold is sold as I see it. Whether sold to a local or a foreign hunter.
Whether sold for a few dollars or for a few thousand.

So why should one person have exclusive rights over another ?
Why should recreational hunters get preference over people who earn their living, however big the income? Don't both own a portion of those resources ?

There are bad outfitters out there, no doubt about it, so then by all means, lets deal with that.
But I know for fact that not all outfitters are money hungry bullies. I know some that are very decent people, and most of the outfitters I know are not getting rich. Not even close.

I'm betting most outfitters are not even making a living at it, I guess that's the part that gall's the most. We put no value on anything in Alberta, it's always about the money. If you have it you can buy anything, the problem is it's not the Gov. to sell it belongs to all of us. So we put out our own population, so that a few people can spend a few months doing something they love to do, but are not making a living at. At some point we have to say not everything is for sale, Albertans should come first and if there is anything left then sell it. There is a resentment building and I think most of it is because people don't buy the line about how great it is for the economy. The residents being shut out of areas because of outfitters does not sit well with people, I don't know how often it happens but it's obviously enough to cause hard feelings. I can understand way up north being flown in and the rest of it, but for the life of me I can't understand Americans competing with Albertans in the populated south of the province. It doesn't make sense other than in Alberta everything is for sale.

[lannie]

Originally Posted by stringer

Sorry I missed a 0 in the $30,000 for guides.Thats still around $30,000 profit,not a bad chunck of change.

And i do not know enough about Outfitting, guiding or accounting to have a valid opinion myself.

[ishootbambi]

Originally Posted by gunslinger

.There is a couple more guys that spout off that would buy a outfitted hunt in alberta also. I dont even know how they hold a straight face when posting and you know who you are.

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seeing as that is near enough word for word a post i made the other day, i have to wonder if you are trying to take a shot at me. if i need to i can search a few quotes ive made about my feeling on that.....unless it was aimed at someone else. which is it?

[BrownBear416]

Its hard to believe sometimes that its actually adults in some of these discussions..

If you cant debate a topic without the personal attacks then the thread gets closed..