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I actually enjoy the ads more than the content on many shows. I get to see lots of bush and in all honesty have very little interest in other people's locations. I do enjoy the stand set ups, scouting tactics and equipment that others are using.

Personality is very important for any performer and when we commercialise a production it is strictly a performance. All great performers that enjoy longevity in business have one thing in common. They are relatively humble and human in their interactions with others, be it real or perceived. Basically, fans find someone they can relate to.

Where Wild TV etc. have lost me and many others is in their obsession with the kill and/or the kill shot. Hunting has little to do with the kill unless you are an anti. It is literally a fraction of a second in a life long passion. Death is a personal thing that none of us is immune to. I don't want a bunch of spectators when my time comes and I find no entertainment in watching an animal die. The fist pumping, high fiving and happy dancing makes me embarrassed to witness and I certainly would not want non hunting friends and colleagues knowing I watch such behaviour as entertainment. I can't relate to it at all and have never hunted with anyone that can.

Show me a program where I don't have to hold the remote in my hand in case my wife and kids walk in the room. I want to see a hunt and what hunting is about not killing and bleeped out verbal commentary. I would have no problem taking anyone out for a day in the field hunting, including children and non hunters. I would never suggest they watch it on TV.

When our privilege to hunt and fish are finally gone, we will have TV and internet warrior video clips 100% to blame IMO.
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I actually enjoy the ads more than the content on many shows. I get to see lots of bush and in all honesty have very little interest in other people's locations. I do enjoy the stand set ups, scouting tactics and equipment that others are using.

Personality is very important for any performer and when we commercialise a production it is strictly a performance. All great performers that enjoy longevity in business have one thing in common. They are relatively humble and human in their interactions with others, be it real or perceived. Basically, fans find someone they can relate to.

Where Wild TV etc. have lost me and many others is in their obsession with the kill and/or the kill shot. Hunting has little to do with the kill unless you are an anti. It is literally a fraction of a second in a life long passion. Death is a personal thing that none of us is immune to. I don't want a bunch of spectators when my time comes and I find no entertainment in watching an animal die. The fist pumping, high fiving and happy dancing makes me embarrassed to witness and I certainly would not want non hunting friends and colleagues knowing I watch such behaviour as entertainment. I can't relate to it at all and have never hunted with anyone that can.

Show me a program where I don't have to hold the remote in my hand in case my wife and kids walk in the room. I want to see a hunt and what hunting is about not killing and bleeped out verbal commentary. I would have no problem taking anyone out for a day in the field hunting, including children and non hunters. I would never suggest they watch it on TV.

When our privilege to hunt and fish are finally gone, we will have TV and internet warrior video clips 100% to blame IMO.
Mk you are literally describing my mission statement written into my biz plan. Well said.
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Still don't care for them crappie hunting shows and all that goes with it.
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Still don't care for them crappie hunting shows and all that goes with it.
Right but part of my point was maybe some of those guys dont deserve to be blasted as hard as they often are on such places as AO
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Good post wildside. Here's a video that Les Johnson posted a couple weeks ago that confirms everything you said.

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Good post wildside. Here's a video that Les Johnson posted a couple weeks ago that confirms everything you said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzAHh3UbbF8
Im currently enjoying an early friday cold one so ill watch that when i get home partner. Thank you for the vid post
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The problem isn't lack of funding or sponsorship. It's simply the fact that cable is a dying industry. New technology has allowed us to watch basically ANYTHING ON DEMAND. We are a very impatient society obviously. I don't have cable or any form of tv other than what I can peruse on the internet via the ole laptop. It's unfortunate but the appropriate adjustments need to be made or you'll continue to find yourself out of pocket big time. I wish I had the solution for you and appreciate a quality production like the next guy (don't watch many hunting shows myself). Good luck with the adjustment. Sincerely
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Here's a couple other thoughts regarding comments on this thread and hunting shows:

You referenced uncharted. On needs to remember, Jim got in on the ground floor of this industry (both filming and outfitting) so not only does he have a ton of resources, his product has been through numerous refinements as things evolved, which made the refining harder to notice.

He also saw that his Hunting Adventures show was losing ground and found a niche to fill (wild sheep in Pakistan is one hell of a niche though). Same could be said for Cody Robbins (over the shoulder filmed hunts), Rinella (teaching and cooking), Solo Hunter (DIY hunts), major league bowhunter (strategy) ...any of the top of the line shows. Production quality is huge, you have that part right. I'm not into shaky go pro garbage either. But focused content is just as big.

I'm gonna throw out a word of caution here...Watching "average guys" dink around camp sounds cool when it's attached to your memories of doing it, but not to the rest of us. It's just like watching guys catch 5 lb pike or stocked trout, or shooting a doe in a field. It's great when you are doing it but not watching. There's been a ton of those shows that go a couple seasons and fold, even with good production. Heck, even Cody had to change things up. He thought his family life should be on tv...sorry bud no one wants to see your wife whining or kid squawking. We have enough of that ourselves. This season is much improved as it's back to the formula that worked. He listened even though it probably wasn't what he wanted to hear.

If you want to do this at the top level, you have to find something that makes your content different and interesting. The bar is set high. So while we can sympathize with your original post, you and everyone else are still going to get judged against what else out there. Good luck.
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I likely know the guys you bring in from Yellowknife and they do pretty good work. So I can totally see how expensive your production costs can be.
big ups on even going as far as you do with your own show. Keep it up, people will watch if your content is good
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Consistently kill record book animals. Every year. On film. With your bow. Without a guide.

I want to watch ten episodes of the entire history and the strategy you used to Bowhunt a booner deer, not ten episodes of killing small deer or ducks etc. There is a reason why everyone says they like watching Robbins. He kills big stuff.
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Hunting shows appeal to those who are interested in the particular type of hunt being shown.

I love watching moose hunts. Caribou hunts. I could marathon those. But I have my preferences.

Shooting a big rat in Peru? Nope.

Sheep? Blah.

Just not my thing.

But I totally appreciate the effort and time that goes into it. I might not enjoy the hunt shown, but I can appreciate the camerawork. I know what goes into a good show.

Sponsors? I appreciate them too. They need their airtime. It's easy for people to criticize. I've done it a lot. I hate watching a show that is like a home movie. I think the film maker forgets his audience and makes it visually personal. It turns me off. I'm sure others feel the same.

Admittedly, I prefer action to talk. If it was filmed in Super 8 without sound, but had action, I'd watch. Not just a kill, but a good stalk that ends in "tag soup" is great too. We've all been there. Probably more than we care to admit....

I will seek out your tube vids. And thank you for your kind words on our shows. Although I'm normally the "face on the cutting room floor", my mug has been on the tube (then so has Honey Boo Boo, so who cares eh) Everyone who makes shows does their best to capture what they feel is important. The crowd decides whether we live to film another day. Lol

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As a business man you can not blame the consumer for not liking the product or the way you present it. Personally i find you tube set ups to be nicer. I find watching a guy with one camera who can move on the water and go to diffrent spots way better. Part of evolving your business may be cutting the production team to one man with one camera. Sponsers are great but if people are avoiding your show because of them, you have to either find a diffrent way to showcase them or drop them or you could take the hit.
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What are you hunting? And what is the average size of trophy quality your harvesting? personally I feel if you plan on making it in this industry you better be harvesting acceptional animals, which can be hard to do with your four, four days hunts.
Not a easy industry to make your mark in. Good luck
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What are you hunting? And what is the average size of trophy quality your harvesting? personally I feel if you plan on making it in this industry you better be harvesting acceptional animals, which can be hard to do with your four, four days hunts.
Not a easy industry to make your mark in. Good luck
You bring up an interesting point. The shows that do end up harvesting "trophy size" animals do definitely get more views and better reviews in my mind than the ones that harvest smaller animals. There are shows that won't even send a show to air if an animal is not shot at all. But the quality of a show in my opinion shouldn't matter on the size of the animal taken or even if an animal is shot or not. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy watching a "booner" get hunted and harvested as much as the next guy but the story behind the hunt, how the hunt took place is as important as the kill it self. I really give a lot of credit to the shows that air episodes where a huge pile of effort went into the hunt but no animal was taken. I'd much rather see that then a TV host shooting an animal just to shoot an animal so that the hunt makes it to air.

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Thanks for the insight Wildside. It sounds like alot of time and money is invested in these shows.

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I won't watch "High Fence" hunts...there are more and more of them it seems...On one show a couple of years back they even left in a clip (that should have been edited) of guys pushing the fenced herd toward the hunter who shot (you guessed it), a B & C monster.
I love watching fair chase shows, preferably local or at least in North America.
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What are you hunting? And what is the average size of trophy quality your harvesting? personally I feel if you plan on making it in this industry you better be harvesting acceptional animals, which can be hard to do with your four, four days hunts.
Not a easy industry to make your mark in. Good luck
Heres a few of the animals we have taken on camera the past couple of years
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What are you hunting? And what is the average size of trophy quality your harvesting? personally I feel if you plan on making it in this industry you better be harvesting acceptional animals, which can be hard to do with your four, four days hunts.
Not a easy industry to make your mark in. Good luck
With that being said, we classify ourselves as an outdoors lifestyle show. So we don't just film hunting episodes, although it is the bulk of our content. We spent a week in Yellowknife and filmed a 4 hour sled trip into the backcountry to target lake trout. We also have a filmed a couple of 'off the grid' style shows fishing the streams out off the trunk road, and we plan on doing more this summer.
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Consistently kill record book animals. Every year. On film. With your bow. Without a guide.

I want to watch ten episodes of the entire history and the strategy you used to Bowhunt a booner deer, not ten episodes of killing small deer or ducks etc. There is a reason why everyone says they like watching Robbins. He kills big stuff.
We will have a few bowhunts on camera, but we aren't targeting to be a 'bowhunting show'. We film waterfowl hunts, fishing trips, backcountry trips etc. Killing a book animal every year isn't realistic unless I quit my day job and spend 100% of my time scouting, which isn't going to happen. Never have, and never will (probably anyways) enlist a guide.
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Here's a couple other thoughts regarding comments on this thread and hunting shows:

You referenced uncharted. On needs to remember, Jim got in on the ground floor of this industry (both filming and outfitting) so not only does he have a ton of resources, his product has been through numerous refinements as things evolved, which made the refining harder to notice.

He also saw that his Hunting Adventures show was losing ground and found a niche to fill (wild sheep in Pakistan is one hell of a niche though). Same could be said for Cody Robbins (over the shoulder filmed hunts), Rinella (teaching and cooking), Solo Hunter (DIY hunts), major league bowhunter (strategy) ...any of the top of the line shows. Production quality is huge, you have that part right. I'm not into shaky go pro garbage either. But focused content is just as big.

I'm gonna throw out a word of caution here...Watching "average guys" dink around camp sounds cool when it's attached to your memories of doing it, but not to the rest of us. It's just like watching guys catch 5 lb pike or stocked trout, or shooting a doe in a field. It's great when you are doing it but not watching. There's been a ton of those shows that go a couple seasons and fold, even with good production. Heck, even Cody had to change things up. He thought his family life should be on tv...sorry bud no one wants to see your wife whining or kid squawking. We have enough of that ourselves. This season is much improved as it's back to the formula that worked. He listened even though it probably wasn't what he wanted to hear.

If you want to do this at the top level, you have to find something that makes your content different and interesting. The bar is set high. So while we can sympathize with your original post, you and everyone else are still going to get judged against what else out there. Good luck.
good feedback. Word of caution though....don't judge our whole series on episode 1, as it was utilized as more of an introductory effort for the group
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I likely know the guys you bring in from Yellowknife and they do pretty good work. So I can totally see how expensive your production costs can be.
big ups on even going as far as you do with your own show. Keep it up, people will watch if your content is good
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I won't watch "High Fence" hunts...there are more and more of them it seems...On one show a couple of years back they even left in a clip (that should have been edited) of guys pushing the fenced herd toward the hunter who shot (you guessed it), a B & C monster.
I love watching fair chase shows, preferably local or at least in North America.
Our mandate is 98% Alberta based filming....I say 98% because an opportunity came up two years ago to go film two episodes in NWT that we couldn't pass up
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You bring up an interesting point. The shows that do end up harvesting "trophy size" animals do definitely get more views and better reviews in my mind than the ones that harvest smaller animals. There are shows that won't even send a show to air if an animal is not shot at all. But the quality of a show in my opinion shouldn't matter on the size of the animal taken or even if an animal is shot or not. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy watching a "booner" get hunted and harvested as much as the next guy but the story behind the hunt, how the hunt took place is as important as the kill it self. I really give a lot of credit to the shows that air episodes where a huge pile of effort went into the hunt but no animal was taken. I'd much rather see that then a TV host shooting an animal just to shoot an animal so that the hunt makes it to air.

Just my two cents.
I 100% agree. Steven Rinella again is making a killing off this model.

Our philosophy is that social media ahs made everyone far too competitive within regards to the hunting community as a whole. I couldn't be arrogant enough to try to convince people we nail book animals year after year, because that's simply not feasible, nor reality. Some of the best trips ive personally been on were trips where I didn't get anything, which is more often than not!
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Hunting shows appeal to those who are interested in the particular type of hunt being shown.

I love watching moose hunts. Caribou hunts. I could marathon those. But I have my preferences.

Shooting a big rat in Peru? Nope.

Sheep? Blah.

Just not my thing.

But I totally appreciate the effort and time that goes into it. I might not enjoy the hunt shown, but I can appreciate the camerawork. I know what goes into a good show.

Sponsors? I appreciate them too. They need their airtime. It's easy for people to criticize. I've done it a lot. I hate watching a show that is like a home movie. I think the film maker forgets his audience and makes it visually personal. It turns me off. I'm sure others feel the same.

Admittedly, I prefer action to talk. If it was filmed in Super 8 without sound, but had action, I'd watch. Not just a kill, but a good stalk that ends in "tag soup" is great too. We've all been there. Probably more than we care to admit....

I will seek out your tube vids. And thank you for your kind words on our shows. Although I'm normally the "face on the cutting room floor", my mug has been on the tube (then so has Honey Boo Boo, so who cares eh) Everyone who makes shows does their best to capture what they feel is important. The crowd decides whether we live to film another day. Lol
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'Sport Fishing on the Fly', out of Trail, B.C. seems to have a successful model that you may want to study. They've been producing excellent TV shows for over 20 years, successfully marrying entertainment, how to, where to, and a detailed fly-tying segment. Their web presence has always been good, with select older segments available free, but they've more recently added a paid subscription category of all past shows and a huge fly-tying catalogue. The subscription is excellent and superb value for the fly fisher enthusiast. There's even an on-line fly store selling flies highlighted on different segments.
They've kept their cast and production crew quite limited. Over the years, their production quality has steadily improved with the newest technology, and recently they've introduced some drone footage.
But I think their key to success has been two-fold: A gentle, soft approach with interesting and likable hosts showing great respect to their quarry - and enough 'where to & how to' information that the attentive watcher could get up from their computer screen, tie the flys they use, pack up their vehicle go to their location and replicate their success. Most segments are filmed from the Kamloops region, through to southern Alberta - very doable for their audience.
I don't know how much they make from subscriptions, but with 20+ years of uninterrupted TV shows, they've certainly found a successful model.
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There are ads on Youtube.

Many youtubers are using high end cameras, not the "tier 2 garbage you supposed they use" I know a few that use quality cameras, ie RED
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