Conservative Leadership Results

[slough shark]

Originally Posted by Iron Brew

Other way round. As long as the conservatives keep putting social conservatives in, we will have a Liberal government. O'Toole went suckholing to the social conservatives. This WILL cost federal votes. We will see if it cost too many or not. If he shifts and goes centrist there MAY be a chance, but he will have to keep a lid on the social conservatives in the party.

I would say most in Canada would like fiscally conservative but socially liberal. And by fiscally conservative, I don't mean cut all programs, but be responsible. Sad as I am to say this, since I came of voting age decades ago, only one party managed to come close to balancing the books. The Chretien/Martin duo.

BTW - I don't count the Harper selling of crown assets to balance the budget as a balanced budget. It was short term gain for long term pain.

Harper managed to balance the budget his last year and had been heading in that direction since he won a majority. I don’t think it’s the socially liberal vs socially conservative but more of an image thing, if conservatives are to win in the future we need to put forth a different face than older white men. There are actually a lot of conservative people who aren’t the white male demographic that have never considered voting conservative for other reasons,

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by raab

Good luck, CPC is gonna need it. Im voting Wexit or PPC. Millennials want someone financially conservative and socially liberal. CPC is out of touch.

A curious way to back Justin & the Liberals. But its your right. Those parties will get less support than Sloan did.

I was unsure of who would win, but I knew for certain who would be last and called that openly.

[Iron Brew]

Originally Posted by slough shark

Harper managed to balance the budget his last year and had been heading in that direction since he won a majority. I don’t think it’s the socially liberal vs socially conservative but more of an image thing, if conservatives are to win in the future we need to put forth a different face than older white men. There are actually a lot of conservative people who aren’t the white male demographic that have never considered voting conservative for other reasons,

Harper increased the federal debt by 150 billion dollars. To be fair, there was the financial crisis of 2008. And a comment. He cut the GST by a total of 2%.
He did NOT, however, cut government spending to match this. I'm not against a decrease in taxes, but decreasing taxes without decreasing spending is a short term voter buying strategy. If you look at a debt chart of this country, the debt is falling steeply in the early 2000's. The only other time it does this is right after WW2. It continues to fall briefly after Harper took over, then starts to climb again. Since then it's just kept growing (see present government). I can't see how anybody can claim Harper was a fiscal conservative.

His caucus was also extremely arrogant going into the last part of his term. I sent a letter regarding TFW program and the answer I got was so condescending and ignorant I called his loss right then.

[raab]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

A curious way to back Justin & the Liberals. But its your right. Those parties will get less support than Sloan did.

I was unsure of who would win, but I knew for certain who would be last and called that openly.

You can think what you want, its not a matter of if Canada splits up, but a matter of when. The CPC had one chance to maybe unite the country, if you think another washed up old man politician does that I don't know what to tell you. Maybe people will start clueing in that career politicians shouldn't be their first vote.

[HunterDave]

Originally Posted by Iron Brew

Harper increased the federal debt by 150 billion dollars. To be fair, there was the financial crisis of 2008. And a comment. He cut the GST by a total of 2%.
He did NOT, however, cut government spending to match this. I'm not against a decrease in taxes, but decreasing taxes without decreasing spending is a short term voter buying strategy. If you look at a debt chart of this country, the debt is falling steeply in the early 2000's. The only other time it does this is right after WW2. It continues to fall briefly after Harper took over, then starts to climb again. Since then it's just kept growing (see present government). I can't see how anybody can claim Harper was a fiscal conservative.

His caucus was also extremely arrogant going into the last part of his term. I sent a letter regarding TFW program and the answer I got was so condescending and ignorant I called his loss right then.

A World recession and a war in Afghanistan. Do you think that may have had a little to do with it?

Sorry to hear that the Harper government couldn’t cater to you as you’d prefer.

[HyperMOA]

I really get confused when people use the term center, or centrist. Does anyone know what that means?

If we want to look at the broad political spectrum Maxime Bernier is probably the closest to the political Center in far-left socialist Canada. If you want to debate that fact, please identify a candidate that has as many truly conservative values as they do liberal values. Not the word conservative but actual conservative ideology.

If we want to take only the leftist Canadian political spectrum and examine the center would that not be a wash between Justin and now maybe Erin? I mean if Maxime is “alt right” and probably the greens beating out the NDP for far-left. Does that not leave Justin smack-dab in the center?

Knock the center BS off and start looking at true political ideology and try and determine if you’re a conservative or not. The CPC is conservative in name only. It ends there. Maybe 3 atoms to the right of Justin.

Having said that, Justin does seem to be veering hard left since Covid, so maybe I’m not hitting the bullseye. Up until 5 months ago, it held true though, this I firmly believe.

Separation and true conservative government is our only salvation. I don’t know why the band wants to play as the ship goes down? Try and find a life-raft.

[Iron Brew]

Originally Posted by HunterDave

A World recession and a war in Afghanistan. Do you think that may have had a little to do with it?

Sorry to hear that the Harper government couldn’t cater to you as you’d prefer.

Meh. If Harper had cut spending when he cut the GST he would have been in a drastically better place. Or, he could have kept that income. I'm a fiscal conservative. I calls them as I sees them. I'm also pro military (veteran). Keeping on kicking the purchases down the line costs money. We need to radically revamp the way we do business federally. Harper didn't do much of what was needed. The present government isn't doing any of what is needed. And if the CPC doesn't figure out a strategy for NATIONAL appeal, we will be stuck with the present government. That would suck big time.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Iron Brew

Meh. If Harper had cut spending when he cut the GST he would have been in a drastically better place. Or, he could have kept that income. I'm a fiscal conservative. I calls them as I sees them. I'm also pro military (veteran). Keeping on kicking the purchases down the line costs money. We need to radically revamp the way we do business federally. Harper didn't do much of what was needed. The present government isn't doing any of what is needed. And if the CPC doesn't figure out a strategy for NATIONAL appeal, we will be stuck with the present government. That would suck big time.

Theres nothing so permanent as a temporary government program. Milton Friedman

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by raab

You can think what you want, its not a matter of if Canada splits up, but a matter of when. The CPC had one chance to maybe unite the country, if you think another washed up old man politician does that I don't know what to tell you. Maybe people will start clueing in that career politicians shouldn't be their first vote.

‘Washed up old man’?. O’Toole is younger than PM Zoolander, he isn’t even 50 for a few more years. O’Toole isn’t a career politician either, but then that fact might not register anyways

[raab]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

‘Washed up old man’?. O’Toole is younger than PM Zoolander, he isn’t even 50 for a few more years. O’Toole isn’t a career politician either, but then that fact might not register anyways

Working for the government is basically the same thing. No understanding of business, therefore no understanding of why a free market is so important.

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by raab

Working for the government is basically the same thing. No understanding of business, therefore no understanding of why a free market is so important.

So I guess you didn't catch his law career following the Air Force where he got a degree in business law and practiced at it for years. Yet you claim a business lawyer has no idea about business........

Some people go so far as to read a bit about candidates prior to voting. A wild concept to some perhaps, but standard operating procedure to many: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_O%27Toole

[HunterDave]

Originally Posted by raab

Working for the government is basically the same thing. No understanding of business, therefore no understanding of why a free market is so important.

Less understanding than a part time drama teacher and trust fund kid?

You said that you are voting for the PPC or WEXIT. Shouldn’t the CPC voting in what you call a poor leader work in your favour? There should be at least a couple of dozen people flocking to those parties now. Lol.

[raab]

Originally Posted by HunterDave

Less understanding than a part time drama teacher and trust fund kid?

You said that you are voting for the PPC or WEXIT. Shouldn’t the CPC voting in what you call a poor leader work in your favour? There should be at least a couple of dozen people flocking to those parties now. Lol.

It's now obvious that unlike many in the CPC I want to see Canada remain united. And watch what you wish for it won't take much for some MPs to flip over to the PPC. Were now back to the PC party versus Reformed. The Reformed party members are not being heard.

[sjemac]

Originally Posted by raab

Who cares about Trudeau when the CPC just ensured Alberta separates. If your involved at all in politics you should know separation is a very real possibility. So going into the leadership race we should have been voting for the person most likely to bring the country together. O'Toole will do nothing to change the status quo, the power will stay in Ottawa. We needed a leader who would give power back to the provinces, Sloan was that guy.

Alberta is never going to separate. The only people who believe it has a chance to do so are people sit in their own echo chamber and talk to like-minded individuals who all echo the same sentiments. If a referendum were held tomorrow it would get less than 25% support for separation.

With this new leader, Trudeau is PM for as long as he wants to be.

[Jigger]

Originally Posted by raab

Good luck, CPC is gonna need it. Im voting Wexit or PPC. Millennials want someone financially conservative and socially liberal. CPC is out of touch.

Nah I'm a millennial and would much rather someone socially conservative.

[Whitetail503]

Originally Posted by raab

You can think what you want, its not a matter of if Canada splits up, but a matter of when. The CPC had one chance to maybe unite the country, if you think another washed up old man politician does that I don't know what to tell you. Maybe people will start clueing in that career politicians shouldn't be their first vote.

Good Lord you’re uninformed. Old? He’s younger than sparkle socks. Career politician? Maybe you missed the memo, guy spent 12 years in the Air Force then practiced business law for years before entering politics.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Whitetail503

Good Lord you’re uninformed. Old? He’s younger than sparkle socks. Career politician? Maybe you missed the memo, guy spent 12 years in the Air Force then practiced business law for years before entering politics.

Now don't go confusing him with the facts.

[manitou210]

The only Conservative person that could have beat the Liberals in next election
is Pierre Poilievre. western boy, to bad we didn't do everything possible to get him to run
he would be a strong in Quebec and Ontario as well the west.
now another 4 years of Trudeau,s crap

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

I really get confused when people use the term center, or centrist. Does anyone know what that means?

If we want to look at the broad political spectrum Maxime Bernier is probably the closest to the political Center in far-left socialist Canada. If you want to debate that fact, please identify a candidate that has as many truly conservative values as they do liberal values. Not the word conservative but actual conservative ideology.

If we want to take only the leftist Canadian political spectrum and examine the center would that not be a wash between Justin and now maybe Erin? I mean if Maxime is “alt right” and probably the greens beating out the NDP for far-left. Does that not leave Justin smack-dab in the center?

Knock the center BS off and start looking at true political ideology and try and determine if you’re a conservative or not. The CPC is conservative in name only. It ends there. Maybe 3 atoms to the right of Justin.

Having said that, Justin does seem to be veering hard left since Covid, so maybe I’m not hitting the bullseye. Up until 5 months ago, it held true though, this I firmly believe.

Separation and true conservative government is our only salvation. I don’t know why the band wants to play as the ship goes down? Try and find a life-raft.

Isn't having someone in the centre, with good policies and good leadership skills, the goal?
Sparkle socks is showing himself to be further and further left of centre every day. And his leadership skills and policy speak for themselves.
I don't think someone far right or far left is the answer in today's world.
The right person for the job won this weekend.
The only person better than him didn't run.

[pgavey]

Wow I can't believe what I am reading. The guy has not been a leader for 10 hrs and we are trying to destroy him. Way to go, JT will love you guys.
Why not give him a chance, rally behind him, and see if we can get rid of the clown in Ottawa.

[Trochu]

How in the world is this guy:


younger than this guy:


I would say it doesn't really matter factually how old he is, it looks like he's near 70.

Anyways, I'll be hopeful to the end, get her in gear O'Toole and figure out how to beat JT.

[Nyksta]

Originally Posted by Trochu

How in the world is this guy:


younger than this guy:


I would say it doesn't really matter factually how old he is, it looks like he's near 70.

Anyways, I'll be hopeful to the end, get her in gear O'Toole and figure out how to beat JT.

Cause Justin trudeau dyes his hair, and gets full facials.

[jungleboy]

Originally Posted by raab

You can think what you want, its not a matter of if Canada splits up, but a matter of when. The CPC had one chance to maybe unite the country, if you think another washed up old man politician does that I don't know what to tell you. Maybe people will start clueing in that career politicians shouldn't be their first vote.

Your argument against O’Toole is weak at best. You say he is too old, yet you are endorsing Bernier who is 10 yrs older than O’Toole.
You dislike him because he is a “career” politician yet , your boy Bernier has been at it 6 years longer than O’Toole.( he’s just not very good at it)
You say Sloan was the only choice that would win all of Canada, yet we know his voiced opinions on lgbtq whatever and racist comments of the past would get him exactly nowhere with the media and he would most likely lead the CPC to the same sort of super success as the PPC in the last election.
You obviously haven’t thought this through.
I am starting to think you are actually a Trudeau minion in disguise.

[cody j]

Originally Posted by Trochu

How in the world is this guy:


younger than this guy:


I would say it doesn't really matter factually how old he is, it looks like he's near 70.

Anyways, I'll be hopeful to the end, get her in gear O'Toole and figure out how to beat JT.

Never having a real job probably keeps people looking younger

[Smokey]

I think to most fringe voters, style and "charisma" is more desired then substance. I still contend Pierre Pouliveau had both and a brain to boot. Still sad he did not run.

I will throw my support behind O'Tool.

[Austin]

What is his position on Canadian oil and the economy?

[jungleboy]

The CPC doesn’t have to increase their vote count in Western Canada (is that even possible? ) They need to win in Ontario and Quebec. There are two Candidate’s who could pull that off and their name is not Sloan . I think the best choice won and I hope Leslyn Lewis wins a seat to join him in the next government.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Smokey

I think to most fringe voters, style and "charisma" is more desired then substance. I still contend Pierre Pouliveau had both and a brain to boot. Still sad he did not run.

I will throw my support behind O'Tool.

He was the best choice, but he did not run, so we have to hope for the best with the leader that we have. But the reality is, too many voters could care less about debt or future tax hikes to pay the interest payments, they just want handouts, that someone else is paying for. Those voters would vote for a chimpanzee that promised those handouts, and the last two elections are proof of that.

[lmtada]

Otoole needs Fabio look.

[glen moa]

It’s now time to support and rid ourselves of Trudeau.

O’Tool. Just put a sentence together. Let’s go.