50/hr welding

[Coyotebutcher]

Originally Posted by brokenbones4

Make sure he is cwb certified, and his wcb insurance is up to date. And should also have liability coverage. My guess is at $50 an hour you won't find any of them. I could be wrong.

The OP is worried about paying too much for a welder. Not whether or not the guy is qualified. You want the costs of wcb and liability insurance added on, then consult a business. You want a qualified welder to do it on the side for a cheaper rate, then don't expect insurance coverages.

[Kws14]

We can think about it this way, the op is buying a trailer privately, and wants to now if the price is fair.


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[Battle Rat]

Originally Posted by Dewey Cox

I don't believe you.
Not enough F bombs and misspelt words.

We could start a whole new thread on welder jokes but it would get locked pretty quick.

[bloopbloob]

Originally Posted by Kws14

We can think about it this way, the op is buying a trailer privately, and wants to now if the price is fair.


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I think he got his answer... $50/hr for a welder, using his own equipment is a good deal, as long as the welder knows what he is doing, and does it well.... *Insert 3x F-bombs, an spellig misteaks*

[bukwild]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

so you're telling me that to work as a welder in Alberta you don't need to have any certification?

http://www.albertacanada.com/opportu...ed-trades.aspx

I see no where in that regulation that states it is unlawful to weld or fabricate with out certification. I see that it states the limits of the working in the trade but not anything else.

"When practicing or otherwise carrying out work in the trade, the
tasks, activities and functions set out in sections 6 and 11 come
within the trade."

I could be a baker and weld something. I could be a carpenter and weld a trailer. I could not be employed as welder in the "trade" with out certification.

In the end this has nothing to do with welding a trailer frame. There is no CSA (read CWB) certification required to weld a trailer frame in Canada.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by bukwild

I see no where in that regulation that states it is unlawful to weld or fabricate with out certification. I see that it states the limits of the working in the trade but not anything else.

http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/Acts/A42.pdf
(3) A person shall not work in a compulsory certification trade
unless that person
(a) holds a trade certificate in that trade,
(b) has filed an application under this Act to participate in the
apprenticeship program in that trade and that application
is subsisting,
(c) is an apprentice in the apprenticeship program in that
trade,
RSA 2000
Section 21 Chapter A-42
APPRENTICESHIP AND
INDUSTRY TRAINING ACT
21
(d) repealed RSA 2000 c5(Supp) s13,
(e) is a student in a student work training program in that
trade,
(e.1) is permitted under a regulation made under section
33(2)(e) to work in that trade, subject to any terms,
conditions or requirements provided for under that
regulation, or
(f) is authorized under section 23 to work or to perform one
or more tasks, activities or functions in that trade.

additionally there is liability for the person hiring them. it is reasonable to ask to see a ticket.

Prohibition on employer
26 An employer shall not employ a person to work in a
designated trade if the employer knows, or would reasonably be
expected to know, that the person who is to carry out that work is
not permitted under this Act to carry out the work in that trade.

[bukwild]

Exception to restrictions on work
27 Notwithstanding section 21(3) or 22(3), an individual may, in
respect of any property that the individual owns or has possession
of or control over, carry out one or more tasks, activities or
functions that come within a designated trade.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by bukwild

Exception to restrictions on work
27 Notwithstanding section 21(3) or 22(3), an individual may, in
respect of any property that the individual owns or has possession
of or control over, carry out one or more tasks, activities or
functions that come within a designated trade.

that means you can weld your own crap but not get paid to weld someone else's

[bukwild]

or has possession
of or control over

[play.soccer]

Just let the guy pay the guy to build him a trailer. As long as it doesn't fall apart on the highway and kill a school bus full of kids who cares?

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by bukwild

or has possession
of or control over

that's not a loophole. keep looking

[bukwild]

It is a loophole.
Ever paid or given anything to a buddy for working on a car?

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by bukwild

It is a loophole.
Ever paid or given anything to a buddy for working on a car?

no.

now it could be a loophole if you sold it to the person doing the work then they sold it back to you after.

[bukwild]

Or simply gave it to them and they gave it back to yo. You could maybe buy some welding wire off them and then give it to them etc..

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by bukwild

Or simply gave it to them and they gave it back to yo. You could maybe buy some welding wire off them and then give it to them etc..

if it was ever looked into that would be very transparent. also they don't have complete possession or control over it if they did there is no reason why they couldn't weld it and sell it to someone else or use it to haul a car here from florida.

if it's expected that someone not do those things in such a circumstance and they're not in control of it.

[sweld]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

if it was ever looked into that would be very transparent. also they don't have complete possession or control over it if they did there is no reason why they couldn't weld it and sell it to someone else or use it to haul a car here from florida.



if it's expected that someone not do those things in such a circumstance and they're not in control of it.

What do you consider a certified welder?


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[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/Acts/A42.pdf
(3) A person shall not work in a compulsory certification trade
unless that person
(a) holds a trade certificate in that trade,
(b) has filed an application under this Act to participate in the
apprenticeship program in that trade and that application
is subsisting,
(c) is an apprentice in the apprenticeship program in that
trade,
RSA 2000
Section 21 Chapter A-42
APPRENTICESHIP AND
INDUSTRY TRAINING ACT
21
(d) repealed RSA 2000 c5(Supp) s13,
(e) is a student in a student work training program in that
trade,
(e.1) is permitted under a regulation made under section
33(2)(e) to work in that trade, subject to any terms,
conditions or requirements provided for under that
regulation, or
(f) is authorized under section 23 to work or to perform one
or more tasks, activities or functions in that trade.

Originally Posted by sweld

What do you consider a certified welder?


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already posted

[sweld]

Asking what your opinion is of certified.


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[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by sweld

Asking what your opinion is of certified.


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i consider the legal definition to be enough for our purposes here. although i've seen a lot of "certified" welders who i would never consider adequate.

[bukwild]

A certified welder is described in the act as having a trade ticket issued by the government of Alberta.

[sweld]

Originally Posted by bukwild

A certified welder is described in the act as having a trade ticket issued by the government of Alberta.

Cwb tickets are not issued by the government of Alberta


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[bukwild]

I didn't say CWB I said the government of Alberta as in your journeyman ticket. You will also be considered certified as a registered apprentice.

[sweld]

Originally Posted by bukwild

I didn't say CWB I said the government of Alberta as in your journeyman ticket. You will also be considered certified as a registered apprentice.

Yes I know


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[Coyotebutcher]

Why are welders so insecure? Is $50 for a side job welder a good price? Just answer and move on. Don't quote government act documents. Do ask for wcb and liability insurance. It's a trailer frame guys. Is my neighbor ripping me off at $50/hr to weld a frame up for me. Not negotiating a refinery welding job here. And I thought carpenters were prima donas....

[sewerrat]

Thanks for all the reply's I don't care if he or she is a certified welder all I wanted to know if $50/hr was a good price for a backyard type welder that does it in his own time.

And I think I got the answer.

By the way anyone can weld a home made trailer and get it registered , the only thing is you have to go thru IBC http://www.ibc.ca/ab/auto/branding/assigned-vin-program

to get a vin number stamped and plated on the frame I think it is $150.00

[jungleboy]

You guys are beyond the pale sometimes sheesh . This isn't a union shop job this is a guy welding out of his garage . He can do it for free if he so chooses.Just because he is priced low does not mean he isn't qualified.I know several high priced tradesmen that truly suck at their profession.
I am a certified Journeyman red seal blah blah blah welder and I run a small shop out of my garage at home with minimum overhead. I work in the $50 hr range all the time because I can . If I like you I will do it for less if I feel like it . I could Charge $150 hr and sit around on here a lot more during working hrs because I have no work but at $50 hr I'm as busy as I want to be.
My Mechanic works out of his garage too and he is about $65hr and busy as he can be as well . He is a certified tech as well and possibly the best I have seen and dead honest to boot.
I hate to burst the bubbles of some of my fellow welders out there but honestly it isn't rocket science. I've seen some guys with no formal training that could embarrass a lot of so called "journeymen" with their skills. Oh and while I'm at it , any monkey can get a CWB ticket. Been a while since I worked in the shops but CWB used to run around "certifying " welders all the time . no formal training required . Weld a coupon without porosity and pass the bend test boom here's your sign .

Fire away

[sweld]

Originally Posted by jungleboy

You guys are beyond the pale sometimes sheesh . This isn't a union shop job this is a guy welding out of his garage . He can do it for free if he so chooses.Just because he is priced low does not mean he isn't qualified.I know several high priced tradesmen that truly suck at their profession.

I am a certified Journeyman red seal blah blah blah welder and I run a small shop out of my garage at home with minimum overhead. I work in the $50 hr range all the time because I can . If I like you I will do it for less if I feel like it . I could Charge $150 hr and sit around on here a lot more during working hrs because I have no work but at $50 hr I'm as busy as I want to be.

My Mechanic works out of his garage too and he is about $65hr and busy as he can be as well . He is a certified tech as well and possibly the best I have seen and dead honest to boot.

I hate to burst the bubbles of some of my fellow welders out there but honestly it isn't rocket science. I've seen some guys with no formal training that could embarrass a lot of so called "journeymen" with their skills. Oh and while I'm at it , any monkey can get a CWB ticket. Been a while since I worked in the shops but CWB used to run around "certifying " welders all the time . no formal training required . Weld a coupon without porosity and pass the bend test boom here's your sign .



Fire away

That's exactly what I was trying to say. To get your cwb you do not need to be a journeyman, you do not need to be a apprentice. All you need to do is pass your 4 plate test and all of a sudden you are welding trailers, over passes, bridges, anything structural but I guess in people's minds that's certified.


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[neilsledder]

Originally Posted by bukwild

Could someone show me a written law that says someone who welds a trailer needs to be a CWB certified welder?

There isn't. Cwb doesn't deal with anything that goes down the road. There really isn't anyone regulating the welds on frames. Up to to the shop the inspects them for the cvip. It's scary to see the welds on some of the big trailers on the highway


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[neilsledder]

Originally Posted by sewerrat

Thanks for all the reply's I don't care if he or she is a certified welder all I wanted to know if $50/hr was a good price for a backyard type welder that does it in his own time.



And I think I got the answer.



By the way anyone can weld a home made trailer and get it registered , the only thing is you have to go thru IBC http://www.ibc.ca/ab/auto/branding/assigned-vin-program



to get a vin number stamped and plated on the frame I think it is $150.00

$50hr is good for at home welder. I do lots of welding at home on the side. I charge 40-50 depending on what I am doing. I can charge that as I get my consumables from work, like welding gases and stuff. I do it that cheap more for helping guys out, it's usually small jobs and it would cost an arm and leg at a welding shop. As for the quality when I weld for that price it's no difference then when I charge $100 hr atthe shop. If anything it's better as it's my name on the finished product!


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