Erin O'toole

[millartech]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

Why would Kenny quit federal politics to come to provincial politics, to then return to federal politics?



Also, if people didn’t vote by name alone, and did care about the parties platforms; why would it matter if a fat white guy, or recent immigrant woman deliver the message?

Because it's always the same guy delivering the same broken platform. A new face provides a new perspective which can help adapt that broken platform into something that new generations could actually relate to.

Canada has always had socialist ideals and to deny that as part of your platform will not work.

This is Kenny's way to work towards federal party leader by trying to show his leadership skills. Once O Toole loses the next election it will be time for a new leader and that is Kenny's end goal. I don't fault him for that, by all means work to better yourself and have goals, but it will not work out for him.

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[Dynamic]

As a left of center voter and a "old" millennial there is a hole in our political landscape that I wish someone would fill. I am not very knowledgeable on O'Toole but he is much closer to my views than Sheer ever was. I would NEVER vote for Sheer just based on his stance on social issues, and that weird smile/smirk on his face all the time. Never trust a guy that smiles when he is angry. O' Toole on the other hand I would at least consider throwing a vote that way if the platform was solid.

One thing that would help the conservatives chances federally is probably distancing themselves from the UPC in Alberta. If they want to pick up some seats out east that will be key. The rest of Canada is watch the UPC and how they are dealing with doctors, educators, and public workers. Much like the Alberta NDP are further right than the federal NDP, The UPC are much further right than the federal conservatives. Different animals and different ballgames. As long as the east realizes its apples and oranges they may pick up some seats if JT keeps up the pace on the scandal front.

Getting off topic but will wander back in a bit.....Watching the UPC in power reminds me of an old plant manager we had. He was a typical old fashioned conservative. He was blunt and his motto was "don't spend money". He ran the show with an iron fist and got rid of anyone who was somewhat progressive in their thinking. Before long the maintenance department hated him, operations hated him, the mechanics hated him and the plant morale plummeted to a pretty dark place. Instead of working with the people he spent his whole tenure fighting with everyone. And the result was a inefficient plant with workers who where not engaged. Like all horrible bosses, he got promoted to corporate and finally was out of our hair. The new guy was a people person. Instead telling everyone what to do he came to us and asked us what we though had to be done. When he came walking down the line instead of this feeling of doom there was a sense of optimism. The plant turned around and after a couple years of people being engaged and empowered and being allowed to think freely and progressively the whole plant changed. People started laughing again and we started to become more profitable as a reuslt.

I was too young at the time to realize why we turned around but with years of experience under my belt it is clear what happened. Currently the UPC are making a career of fighting with everybody. Doctors, teachers, unions, now the city mayors.....it never ends. With O'Toole I hope he understands he has to work with the people and not against them. Conservatives like to have this macho bravado and try to portray this sense of power when I reality they would be better served by being more understanding. If he can demonstrate he can listen and help find solutions that then there is a possibility I could throw a vote for him.

[tirebob]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

Bob I think we are two political peas in the pod. My only problem with moving more socially liberal is the ever wanting more and continual movement. Pretty soon I’ll be a bigot for not supporting pedophiles. That is my only fear of being socially liberal. I support it, just fear the future.

Man... I truly don’t think that would ever happen, but if it ever did, I promise you I would be the first one in line right beside you to draw the line and split us off!

[Grizzly Adams]

Just got an invitation to meet O' Toole next Wednesday, might take him up on that. Easiest to judge a man's potential once you've met him.

Grizz

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by millartech

Because it's always the same guy delivering the same broken platform. A new face provides a new perspective which can help adapt that broken platform into something that new generations could actually relate to.

Canada has always had socialist ideals and to deny that as part of your platform will not work.

This is Kenny's way to work towards federal party leader by trying to show his leadership skills. Once O Toole loses the next election it will be time for a new leader and that is Kenny's end goal. I don't fault him for that, by all means work to better yourself and have goals, but it will not work out for him.

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Interesting concept to become a federal leader. I don’t necessarily agree with you; but I can’t say that it’s not his strategy. It very well could be. Time will tell I guess.

Your reply about the tired old white guy affirms my idea of the average voter. It’s what they see that they vote for. The platforms are never researched. Just line up something shiny and the masses will walk all over each other to get it.

[millartech]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

Interesting concept to become a federal leader. I don’t necessarily agree with you; but I can’t say that it’s not his strategy. It very well could be. Time will tell I guess.



Your reply about the tired old white guy affirms my idea of the average voter. It’s what they see that they vote for. The platforms are never researched. Just line up something shiny and the masses will walk all over each other to get it.

It's not about shiny things and it's those types of attitudes that create all the polarization in our politics. Just like calling all conservatives, racists, it's garbage and part of all the BS that is our now political atmosphere.

Garbage platforms that include things such as trickle down economics don't work but hey keep putting it out there hoping for different results.

Anyway, I'm out. This is pointless. You have your opinion, I have mine. I've got a fishing trip to plan.



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[Trochu]

Originally Posted by Dynamic

..... He was a typical old fashioned conservative. He was blunt and his motto was "don't spend money". He ran the show with an iron fist and got rid of anyone who was somewhat progressive in their thinking. Before long the maintenance department hated him, operations hated him, the mechanics hated him and the plant morale plummeted to a pretty dark place. Instead of working with the people he spent his whole tenure fighting with everyone.

I think you have a fairly twisted view of what a Conservative is.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Dynamic

As a left of center voter and a "old" millennial there is a hole in our political landscape that I wish someone would fill. I am not very knowledgeable on O'Toole but he is much closer to my views than Sheer ever was. I would NEVER vote for Sheer just based on his stance on social issues, and that weird smile/smirk on his face all the time. Never trust a guy that smiles when he is angry. O' Toole on the other hand I would at least consider throwing a vote that way if the platform was solid.

One thing that would help the conservatives chances federally is probably distancing themselves from the UPC in Alberta. If they want to pick up some seats out east that will be key. The rest of Canada is watch the UPC and how they are dealing with doctors, educators, and public workers. Much like the Alberta NDP are further right than the federal NDP, The UPC are much further right than the federal conservatives. Different animals and different ballgames. As long as the east realizes its apples and oranges they may pick up some seats if JT keeps up the pace on the scandal front.

Getting off topic but will wander back in a bit.....Watching the UPC in power reminds me of an old plant manager we had. He was a typical old fashioned conservative. He was blunt and his motto was "don't spend money". He ran the show with an iron fist and got rid of anyone who was somewhat progressive in their thinking. Before long the maintenance department hated him, operations hated him, the mechanics hated him and the plant morale plummeted to a pretty dark place. Instead of working with the people he spent his whole tenure fighting with everyone. And the result was a inefficient plant with workers who where not engaged. Like all horrible bosses, he got promoted to corporate and finally was out of our hair. The new guy was a people person. Instead telling everyone what to do he came to us and asked us what we though had to be done. When he came walking down the line instead of this feeling of doom there was a sense of optimism. The plant turned around and after a couple years of people being engaged and empowered and being allowed to think freely and progressively the whole plant changed. People started laughing again and we started to become more profitable as a reuslt.

I was too young at the time to realize why we turned around but with years of experience under my belt it is clear what happened. Currently the UPC are making a career of fighting with everybody. Doctors, teachers, unions, now the city mayors.....it never ends. With O'Toole I hope he understands he has to work with the people and not against them. Conservatives like to have this macho bravado and try to portray this sense of power when I reality they would be better served by being more understanding. If he can demonstrate he can listen and help find solutions that then there is a possibility I could throw a vote for him.

The first point is false, by their constitution the Alberta NDP must follow the Federal party's lead. They're in essence the same party, which is why no one in Alberta should ever vote for them, especially hunters on AO.

On the second point, thats what the UCP is working towards although the transition is tough. The original boss would be like the Liberals or NDP who force an overabundance of regulation and government bureaucracy. The UCP is trying to allow teachers, doctors, nurses, etc... the right to dictate their own working environment through private facilities. If the government runs it, then they have to tell you how to do things. If you allow private individuals/corporations to run schools, hospitals, doctor practices, etc... Suddenly everyone has a lot more freedom with reduced government red tape.

[raab]

Originally Posted by millartech

It's not about shiny things and it's those types of attitudes that create all the polarization in our politics. Just like calling all conservatives, racists, it's garbage and part of all the BS that is our now political atmosphere.

Garbage platforms that include things such as trickle down economics don't work but hey keep putting it out there hoping for different results.

Anyway, I'm out. This is pointless. You have your opinion, I have mine. I've got a fishing trip to plan.



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What's trickle down economics?

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by Trochu

I think you have a fairly twisted view of what a Conservative is.

Hahahaha. I left that one alone. His boss was obviously conservative because he wanted to run the plant in a certain manner and didn’t allow them to “think freely and progressively”. At a plant. Where there is one outcome.

[Dynamic]

Originally Posted by raab

The first point is false, by their constitution the Alberta NDP must follow the Federal party's lead. They're in essence the same party, which is why no one in Alberta should ever vote for them, especially hunters on AO.

On the second point, thats what the UCP is working towards although the transition is tough. The original boss would be like the Liberals or NDP who force an overabundance of regulation and government bureaucracy. The UCP is trying to allow teachers, doctors, nurses, etc... the right to dictate their own working environment through private facilities. If the government runs it, then they have to tell you how to do things. If you allow private individuals/corporations to run schools, hospitals, doctor practices, etc... Suddenly everyone has a lot more freedom with reduced government red tape.

I'll bite on your first point, not going to bite on the second one lol. On energy policies the provincial NDP are on a completely different wavelength than the Federal NDP. The federal NDP is more about keeping the oil in the ground and is opposed to pipelines. Which I think is ridiculous. Notley has been on record calling Singh a ideological elitist and has stated that we need pipelines to develop our resources. Don't let your hatred of the world NDP blind you, the provincial NDP are further right than you probably have been led to believe.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by Dynamic

I'll bite on your first point, not going to bite on the second one lol. On energy policies the provincial NDP are on a completely different wavelength than the Federal NDP. The federal NDP is more about keeping the oil in the ground and is opposed to pipelines. Which I think is ridiculous. Notley has been on record calling Singh a ideological elitist and has stated that we need pipelines to develop our resources. Don't let your hatred of the world NDP blind you, the provincial NDP are further right than you probably have been led to believe.

Really?????

[Outbound]

The next one will be the last election in which I vote CPC. If the CPC don't win, it's western separation for me. I'll cut off my nuts with a rusty spoon before ever voting for the corrupt and evil liberals or the communist ndp.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by Dynamic

I'll bite on your first point, not going to bite on the second one lol. On energy policies the provincial NDP are on a completely different wavelength than the Federal NDP. The federal NDP is more about keeping the oil in the ground and is opposed to pipelines. Which I think is ridiculous. Notley has been on record calling Singh a ideological elitist and has stated that we need pipelines to develop our resources. Don't let your hatred of the world NDP blind you, the provincial NDP are further right than you probably have been led to believe.

Yet she personally attended and participated in pipeline protests.

[Dynamic]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

Hahahaha. I left that one alone. His boss was obviously conservative because he wanted to run the plant in a certain manner and didn’t allow them to “think freely and progressively”. At a plant. Where there is one outcome.

I think my idea of conservatism is not far off. I agree with being fiscally prudent and sustainable, reduced red tape, and removing barriers to success for industry as long society as a whole is not negatively impacted.

Your simplification of there being "one outcome" at a plant is short sighted. To get to that one outcome is from thousands of other decisions and many
processes. How well you manage those decisions and processes determines how efficiently you reach that one outcome. Thinking freely and progressively may seem like a joke to you in a plant setting, but I can assure you thinking freely and progressively is critical to delivering more efficient outcomes. The only thing holding us back at the time was the plant manager who did not let people to think or try to do things better. And that is my major criticism of most conservatives. They are tied to old outcomes and old ways of thinking. If conservatives want to exist as a alternative to the parties further left of them in the future, they better get with the program and realize change is necessary.

Like I said before, if O'Toole proves by his actions he is a free thinker and is somewhat progressive in his views he will pick up some votes out east. If he comes off as my example of the "old outdated plant manager" the conservatives are in for a world of hurt. So far he seems mile better than Sheer.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by Dynamic

I think my idea of conservatism is not far off. I agree with being fiscally prudent and sustainable, reduced red tape, and removing barriers to success for industry as long society as a whole is not negatively impacted.

Your simplification of there being "one outcome" at a plant is short sighted. To get to that one outcome is from thousands of other decisions and many
processes. How well you manage those decisions and processes determines how efficiently you reach that one outcome. Thinking freely and progressively may seem like a joke to you in a plant setting, but I can assure you thinking freely and progressively is critical to delivering more efficient outcomes. The only thing holding us back at the time was the plant manager who did not let people to think or try to do things better. And that is my major criticism of most conservatives. They are tied to old outcomes and old ways of thinking. If conservatives want to exist as a alternative to the parties further left of them in the future, they better get with the program and realize change is necessary.

Like I said before, if O'Toole proves by his actions he is a free thinker and is somewhat progressive in his views he will pick up some votes out east. If he comes off as my example of the "old outdated plant manager" the conservatives are in for a world of hurt. So far he seems mile better than Sheer.

What kind of progressive thinking did you do at the plant?

[raab]

Originally Posted by Dynamic

I'll bite on your first point, not going to bite on the second one lol. On energy policies the provincial NDP are on a completely different wavelength than the Federal NDP. The federal NDP is more about keeping the oil in the ground and is opposed to pipelines. Which I think is ridiculous. Notley has been on record calling Singh a ideological elitist and has stated that we need pipelines to develop our resources. Don't let your hatred of the world NDP blind you, the provincial NDP are further right than you probably have been led to believe.

So you didn't even check their constitution to see what it says. Check Article 1 02. Also for hunters and farmers check out appendix c paragraph 3. Some very concerning language in there.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...ILa4TU6aGVMzBx

[raab]

On a side note I think if people want to vote for a left of center party. The Alberta party or Liberal party are far better options. At least you can reason with them. The NDP are a bunch of ideological fanatics who won't be swayed by any civil discussion.

[Dynamic]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

What kind of progressive thinking did you do at the plant?

I'm a millwright so specifically for me I looked at our current maintenance practices back in the day which at the time were almost exclusively "run to failure" or what many would know as crash and burn. More or less firefighting on a plant wide scale. I realized it was not a sustainable or the right approach so I introduced time based preventative maintenance, simple maintenance planning techniques, properly scheduling maintenance, as well as more advanced RCM (reliability centered maintenance) to develop some maintenance tactics where time/usage maintenance is not applicable. Looking back everyone including my bosses though I was nuts but I kept swimming against the grain until now everyone is mostly on board with the new way of doing things. I'm not one to swim with the others and I try to do things based on best practices rather than old conventional thinking. I am conservative in many ways, but also realize you have to be focused ahead.

The supervisor who was forced out who was frankly ahead of his time, realized it was not optimal to have his crew stay at one job station throughout the day so he implemented a system where his crew would cross train on different roles and rotate every couple hours and do a different job. More or less to reduce the soul sucking nature of doing the same thing for 8 hours straight. He actually was very well educated and still lives here but works down the road for the competition. From what I hear he is well regarded, anyone who works for him likes working for him and is currently in upper management over there. He would of been a HUGE asset if he could of stayed but he just did not fit in with the regime at the time.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by Dynamic

I'm a millwright so specifically for me I looked at our current maintenance practices back in the day which at the time were almost exclusively "run to failure" or what many would know as crash and burn. More or less firefighting on a plant wide scale. I realized it was not a sustainable or the right approach so I introduced time based preventative maintenance, simple maintenance planning techniques, properly scheduling maintenance, as well as more advanced RCM (reliability centered maintenance) to develop some maintenance tactics where time/usage maintenance is not applicable. Looking back everyone including my bosses though I was nuts but I kept swimming against the grain until now everyone is mostly on board with the new way of doing things. I'm not one to swim with the others and I try to do things based on best practices rather than old conventional thinking. I am conservative in many ways, but also realize you have to be focused ahead.

The supervisor who was forced out who was frankly ahead of his time, realized it was not optimal to have his crew stay at one job station throughout the day so he implemented a system where his crew would cross train on different roles and rotate every couple hours and do a different job. More or less to reduce the soul sucking nature of doing the same thing for 8 hours straight. He actually was very well educated and still lives here but works down the road for the competition. From what I hear he is well regarded, anyone who works for him likes working for him and is currently in upper management over there. He would of been a HUGE asset if he could of stayed but he just did not fit in with the regime at the time.

Preventative maintenance is not progressive thought. It is nothing new. It is not “liberal” either. I think you misunderstand politics and political belief/ideologies, and business practices. Some conservatives replace equipment annually. Some conservatives run to destruction. It’s not political ideology. That goes for any political affiliation. Coming into a business run in a certain direction and trying to improve it is not progressive thought either. Buzzwords are cool right?

Your job is to maintain a plant. You can make suggestions on improvements to be made. It is not your decision to make however. Too many people don’t realize they are paid from the shoulders down. Then to believe that has some bearing to politics is laughable.

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by raab

So you didn't even check their constitution to see what it says. Check Article 1 02. Also for hunters and farmers check out appendix c paragraph 3. Some very concerning language in there.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...ILa4TU6aGVMzBx

He's another one that just drank the kool-aid.
Or maybe not...

In reality, all of appendix 'C' should scare people.

I wish the socialists actually explained how each of those paragraphs ACTUALLY plays out in life, instead of just eloquently reading it to kids in high school.

[cschache]

What I find funny is that people keep voting for the same old party’s expecting a different outcome. They all are flawed and its all about getting into power, all they do is put another “new shiny leader” in front to try and show the change to get the votes when in reality they all have the same agendas. If after all of what has been going on since the kung flu was implemented like the lock downs, the gov spending your children's children's futures away, up coming gun confiscation, lost jobs, the energy industry hand cuffed and more taxes on the way....... i really can’t understand why people keep voting and sticking up for the same old BS. As far as otoole, im unregistering as a supporter for a few many reasons,
His campaign manager is in favour of sharia finance and considers himself and i quote “a muslim brother hood guy” which im sure there are good and bad in every system.
Another is the Paris accord the is a redistribution of our tax dollars for the benefit of a few.
Also the expansion of a lot more immigrants.
All this is open source among several other things i have issues with. I am currently checking out these guys and what they are trying to do. We do live in Alberta and need to take care of ourselves first and not the rest of the corporation called Canada. Just my opinion.

https://unifythepeople.ca/home/

[sk270]

Originally Posted by cschache

If after all of what has been going on since the kung flu was implemented like the lock downs, the gov spending your children's children's futures away, up coming gun confiscation, lost jobs, the energy industry hand cuffed and more taxes on the way...

As far as otoole, im unregistering as a supporter for a few many reasons,
His campaign manager is in favour of sharia finance and considers himself and i quote “a muslim brother hood guy” which im sure there are good and bad in every system.

https://unifythepeople.ca/home/

What do you mean when you say that Covid-19 was "implemented"?

Can you provide a link to a reputable, middle-of-the-road source that quotes the campaign manager as saying he is a part of the Muslim Brotherhood?

Thanks for the information.

[cschache]

Originally Posted by sk270

What do you mean when you say that Covid-19 was "implemented"?

Can you provide a link to a reputable, middle-of-the-road source that quotes the campaign manager as saying he is a part of the Muslim Brotherhood?

Thanks for the information.

Here is his name Walied Soliman, lots of different articles on the connections.

As far as the "Virus" all you have to do is go onto the CDC ,WHO websites etc and piece together there information from different releases to get your answer. The media won't tell the truth so ya have to find your own answers.
The CDC also admits that cloth masks are NOT effective.
There is a lot of information that shows that the current cvd19 is no worse than the common flu and this is by the numbers from said agencies.
Has anyone looked into the damage to a persons immune system and thought process by wearing a mask all the time breathing in carbon dioxide all day long and not breathing normal oxygen content?

If the masks work then why the 6' distancing?
If the 6' distancing works then why the masks?
If both work then why the lock down?
If all three work then why the vaccine?
If the vaccine works then why no liability?

Video showing the Canadian health minister admitting they new about this in December and did nothing to protect the Canadian people, so if they had that much lead time (Tam came from the WHO) and its supposed to be as serious as it has been portrayed then why didn't they take measures like no flights from china right away instead of waiting for a few months and still not a total travel stoppage? The whole time line does not add up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3NQHXHcgRo

[sk270]

Originally Posted by cschache

Here is his name Walied Soliman, lots of different articles on the connections.

If the masks work then why the 6' distancing?
If the 6' distancing works then why the masks?
If both work then why the lock down?
If all three work then why the vaccine?
If the vaccine works then why no liability?

This is not the reply I expected. Google does not lead me to a single article on Soliman's connection to the Muslim Brotherhood, unless you count off-beat, biased sites.

The comparison you give is sort of like:
If laminated windshields (and padded dashboards back in the day) work so well, why collapsible steering columns?
If collapsible steering columns work so well, why the seat belts?
If the seat belts work so well, why the airbags?
If the airbags work so well, why the adaptive cruise control?
If they all work so well, why driver ed?

The answer is simply that they all work and together provide the most safety for the most people.

Do you have any links to relatively unbiased sites that report Soliman's membership in the Muslim Brotherhood? How about Covid-19 being an implemented pandemic?

Please respond with some useful information instead of specious comparisons.

I am genuinely grateful for any genuine information you can provide. Thanks.

[raab]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

He's another one that just drank the kool-aid.
Or maybe not...

In reality, all of appendix 'C' should scare people.

I wish the socialists actually explained how each of those paragraphs ACTUALLY plays out in life, instead of just eloquently reading it to kids in high school.

Yep, its scares me, so I try to warn people. Can't really fault them as they just don't know and the NDP don't come out and blatantly say what their agenda is. But when you read that, they're no friend to hunting, fishing, or farming/ranching. And you have to question their level of commitment to Alberta, when they are directed by the National office. Make no mistake if the NDP had power in Ottawa, and Alberta. The Alberta premier would be expected to fall in line behind the national party.

In saying that I'm mad that I was forced to pay union dues that supported this crap. The NDP in no way, shape, or form represent my views. Glad to see the UCP brought in Bill C-32 which will help regular members opt out of supporting the political crap.

[raab]

On a side note was watching this tribute to Thatcher this morning. Erin O'Toole is a long way from Reagan and Thatcher. We need a true conservative Leader to appear with conviction, and I pray we get one. Hope you enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvCIBIC69c8

[fishnguy]

Looks like the guy tested positive for COVID. Wishing him a quick recovery and no major health issues.

From CBC article:

Conservative Leader Erin O'Toole has tested positive for COVID-19 but is "feeling well," according to the party.

"This evening, Erin O'Toole received a positive test result for COVID-19," the party said in a statement Friday.

"He is very relieved that his wife and children have tested negative. O'Toole remains in self-isolation and is feeling well."

...

Shortly after the announcement, Quebec Premier François Legault, who met one-on-one with O'Toole on Monday, said on Twitter he was self-isolating out of precaution.

Legault met and dined in Ottawa on Friday with Ontario Premier Doug Ford, Alberta Premier Jason Kenney and Manitoba Premier Brian Pallister.

[glen moa]

Hmmm how did he get it?

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Dynamic

I'll bite on your first point, not going to bite on the second one lol. On energy policies the provincial NDP are on a completely different wavelength than the Federal NDP. The federal NDP is more about keeping the oil in the ground and is opposed to pipelines. Which I think is ridiculous. Notley has been on record calling Singh a ideological elitist and has stated that we need pipelines to develop our resources. Don't let your hatred of the world NDP blind you, the provincial NDP are further right than you probably have been led to believe.

Notley was protesting pipelines before she came into power. She then attacked the oil industry, and drove out investors with her royalty delays. Then she did her empty posturing with Horgan over the pipeline. Only when the election was getting close, and she was desperate for votes, did she start pretending to support pipelines. And apparently some people, fell for this ploy, even if it wasn't enough to win the election for her.