How hard will the Alberta backlash be next election?

[waterninja]

Originally Posted by waterninja

Exactly Elk. Alberta (and the rest of the west) gets little or no respect from Ottawa. We don't have to whine or complain all the time, but it sure would be nice if our provincial party respected and worked for the AB people and stood up to Ottawa now and then. I don't see that kind of party on the ballot in AB yet.

You know, I was really hoping for and expecting a minority govt. last election for either NDP or WR. Takes longer to get things done, but at least stuff doesn't get rammed through, or peoples rights trampled.

[dukla]

Any Party that warms up to Trudeau like the NDP did is not worthy of my vote.

[ak-71]

Originally Posted by Newview01

I don't have a lot of faith in Albertans right now. I believe there are some old conservatives who are beginning to warm up to the NDP.

My beliefs are based on comments on this forum.

I have to apologize for an assumption first, but I assume you voted NDP. I am really sorry if my assumption is wrong, forgive me.
But if my assumption is right, your comment only proves, that regardless of how many stupid or dishonest things NDP does (carbon tax, coal payout and whole "green" hysteria, examples are plenty), NDP base will not only stay with them, as you we can see they even believe they are winning votes.
It tells me that if conservative voters split votes again - this province is doomed. If WR and PC can consolidate votes - NDP will become just a bad memory

[the.tru.albertan]

Edmonton needs to give its head a shake.

http://www.mainstreetresearch.ca/51-...-major-impact/

[CanuckShooter]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

So you would vote for a party that whines and cries and threatens to separate from Canada every time they want something? Perhaps you should compare Alberta and Quebec, and look at the differences in the number of seats, and the fact that Quebec is in the East while Alberts is in the West, and you should realize that while this tactic works for Quebec, it likely wouldn't work for Alberta. Just look at how eager our government is to bail out Bombardier, while wanting to phase out our Alberta industries, and it should be obvious as to how our federal government views Alberta.

That should be #1 for all of our premiers....if we are true partners in confederation it sure doesn't show in the number of seats in the legislature.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by ak-71

I have to apologize for an assumption first, but I assume you voted NDP. I am really sorry if my assumption is wrong, forgive me.
But if my assumption is right, your comment only proves, that regardless of how many stupid or dishonest things NDP does (carbon tax, coal payout and whole "green" hysteria, examples are plenty), NDP base will not only stay with them, as you we can see they even believe they are winning votes.
It tells me that if conservative voters split votes again - this province is doomed. If WR and PC can consolidate votes - NDP will become just a bad memory

lol. No, I did not vote NDP.

The NDP are buying votes with carbon tax "rebate" cheques and solar subsidies.

[the.tru.albertan]

DOWN with the NDP.

All the way down.

[waterninja]

Originally Posted by the.tru.albertan

Edmonton needs to give its head a shake.

http://www.mainstreetresearch.ca/51-...-major-impact/

Thank you for providing another perfect example of how full of BS these poll's can be. You have to wonder who exactly these pollsters are asking for their views. every utility bill and everytime you buy gas it costs you more money, yet a lot of people in AB (Most in Edm?)say they don't think it has an affect? What a joke.
I'm beginning to think that pollsters are more useless than politicians. They could do poll asking people if driving with thier eye's shut affects thier driving and get similar results.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by the.tru.albertan

Edmonton needs to give its head a shake.

http://www.mainstreetresearch.ca/51-...-major-impact/

Too many people think their jobs don't rely on private industry. They just don't grasp the simplest of economic concepts. Economic theory should be taught starting in junior high.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by Supergrit

Maybe the wild rose will get in. The Conservative party would not have done any better then the NDP with the way oil prices are. If conservstive would have done s better job for the 40 years they were in low oil prices wouldn't sting so much.

I'm not sure I entirely see it that way .... but I would favor the Wildrose getting a crack at driving the bus.

Oil process are driven by global capacity over demand. Alberta's position in this changing market is driven by cost to market - the cost of extraction all the way through to refining and distribution.

It (our economic prosperity on aggregate) has little (arguably nothing) to do on who is in power within this province.

I'm not saying the conservatives were perfect, and I will be the first to admit they were taking advantage of their absolute control of the legislature in our province leading to some pretty questionable (maybe corrupt) practices.

It's like the republicans who are blaming Obama for destroying the economy, yet the banking crisis and overleveraged inequities were driven under the Bush administration. Every time I hear that, and trust me, I'm not a huge Obama fan, it makes me laugh.

.....and meanwhile here in Alberta .....

Oil process were at record highs globally, during the last 2-3 terms of the former government, as growth and aggregate demand was outstripping capacity - and we were all rolling in gold.

But, again, little or nothing to do with the conservatives doing a great job.

I hope Albertans are smart enough to look at this objectively and not give the NDP's a pat on the back if the economy improves - if that's the case we are in for another 4 year ride on the orange unicorn.

Trust me, the orange unicorn isn't going to help fix our provinces economy, and, in fact, that same pony is stomping on the balls of many Albertans with their policies.

[lmtada]

I usually vote far right (libertarian), however I may vote little left WR. I was talking to Steve Khan (PC), I know some of his supporters. Edmonton will need to embrace a Calgary leader. He dropped out shortly after this conversation.

[rugatika]

http://albertalibertarian.ca

[masalma]

Originally Posted by waterninja

Rug, I have to say that you are tireless in your ever ongoing threads about politics. As far as I'm concerned, they are all crooks and liars, and I really have to chuckle when I read posts about what the "polls" are saying. What a joke. Polls are good to pee on, but when is the last time one was close?
Trouble I and most albertans have is the lack of choice. We just got rid of the old boys club that treated alberta like their private club and hardworking albertans like thier servants Wildrose had a great shot, but near the election showed their true colors by trying to join the old boys. What backstabbing cowards. So Albertans held thier nose and voted for the only real alternative. Now they are doublecrossing us and making policies and laws that they never mentioned.
Tell me Rug, how can there be a great backlash when there is no one else to vote for? Is there time for a new party to be formed by next election? How about A party that would at least threaten to leave Canada the way Quebec does do get huge windfalls from Ontario? I'd vote for them.

Couldn't have said it better. Voted WR but now there is no one to vote for anymore.

[coreya3212]

So wildrose was the best option until all the traitors and backstabbers left the party, now they cannot be trusted...got it....

[ganderblaster]

Originally Posted by Scott h

As long as Wild Rose keeps siphoning off votes on the right , there is always a good chance of a NDP re election. Excactly like the last time

Ummmmm Wildrose had more votes. PCs are broke. PCs need to stop siphoning votes.

[jakebrake]

I think there's still a lot of ndp supporters,just going by some of the comments I have been seeing lately on Alberta outdoorsmen forum.I am hopping the next election will wipe the ndp off the map never to be heard from again.Just watch I will get attached by some ndp supporters soon.

[the.tru.albertan]

Originally Posted by jakebrake

I think there's still a lot of ndp supporters,just going by some of the comments I have been seeing lately on Alberta outdoorsmen forum.I am hopping the next election will wipe the ndp off the map never to be heard from again.Just watch I will get attached by some ndp supporters soon.

I know. And this is the AOF of all things. Go to some other forums and all you see is pro-NDP comments. Scary, scary times. We better have our sh!t together in 2019 to remove them. Their polling support is still too high. Even after ALL of the total fiascos they have done. It needs to drop back into the low teens.

[From The Hip]

Originally Posted by the.tru.albertan

I know. And this is the AOF of all things. Go to some other forums and all you see is pro-NDP comments. Scary, scary times. We better have our sh!t together in 2019 to remove them. Their polling support is still too high. Even after ALL of the total fiascos they have done. It needs to drop back into the low teens.

When it comes down to it the support for the NDP has been on a steady decline since Notley and her crew of destroyers/cronies took office.Next election will see the NDP taking on a UNITED right as the WR/PC parties KNOW they have to merge.The ego's of the leaders have been cast aside though there are a few naysayers in both parties.That being said the naysayers are mostly PC's that are still in denial that their party got demoted to 3rd party status after 4 decades and those members of the PC's must absolutely be PURGED.

With regards to "backlash" well we had "backlash" last election when the NDP got the benefit of a protest vote against the PC's went totally WRONG.AS lot of people voted NDP to SPITE the PC's.They did not have any faith or belief in the NDP manifesto they just voted NDP out of pure SPITE.....and had nothing but regret the next day when they saw the election results.

Look at the results of the Federal election held many months later.When Tom Mulcair came to Calgary on the hustings during the stampede NODODY bought into his fake smile or his BS chuckle or his "uncle tom" act".

There wont be any "backlash" next election.There will though be a kicking of the NDP to the gutter where they belong as the right wing vote will not be split and the NDP will not get the benefit of a spitefull protest vote.

FTH

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by ganderblaster

Ummmmm Wildrose had more votes. PCs are broke. PCs need to stop siphoning votes.

And that is exactly why the NDP still has a chance

[CanuckShooter]

Originally Posted by Scott h

And that is exactly why the NDP still has a chance

No they have a chance because they are socialists...government by the people, for the people. Socialists are for schools and hospitals and roads, and all the things that the people need. Voters just got tired of seeing things for them eroded so the corporations and elites could get richer and richer while more regular people fell through the cracks. The right wing agenda had gone on too long, and had gone too far...it's their own fault they fell from favour.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by CanuckShooter

No they have a chance because they are socialists...government by the people, for the people. Socialists are for schools and hospitals and roads, and all the things that the people need. Voters just got tired of seeing things for them eroded so the corporations and elites could get richer and richer while more regular people fell through the cracks. The right wing agenda had gone on too long, and had gone too far...it's their own fault they fell from favour.

Well I guess I remember the NDP's time running BC a little differently than you do and I can't say I trust them all that much. They tend to have unions in their back pockets and decisions are made based solely on that.

[ak-71]

Originally Posted by CanuckShooter

No they have a chance because they are socialists...government by the people, for the people. Socialists are for schools and hospitals and roads, and all the things that the people need. Voters just got tired of seeing things for them eroded so the corporations and elites could get richer and richer while more regular people fell through the cracks. The right wing agenda had gone on too long, and had gone too far...it's their own fault they fell from favour.

As a person born in a socialist country I have to say that it's not roads or hospitals that killed it, it's inefficiency and waste of resources (money) associated with it. Carbon tax wasted on self-promoting ads on TV and in schools, subsidies to solar panels and payouts to coal plants is a small prime example.

PS. Contrary to a common belief, USSR was a socialist country by it's own constitution

[KegRiver]

This spring, for the first time in my life, I became a member of a political party.

In my opinion, there is no conservative party any more, just the group of crooks party and the Almost conservative party.

I loathe the NDP, can't stand the Lieberal party so that leaves me with only one option. The almost conservatives. But it's an easy choice from my prospective.

I like Brian, I think he's an honest man. I don't think any of the others have it in them to be honest.

So now I carry a Green and White card in my wallet.

[79ford]

If the economy gets better all they have to say is 'hey look guys' just like Stephan Harper.... ran up huuuuuge deficits and pounded 150 billion on the national debt then oil prices and the housing boom drove the canadian economy through the roof.... everyone thought harper saved the day,lol

Alberta will be the same deal probably....if alberta keeps spending status quo vs over reacting to a temporary oil price blip and the economy gets going again in two years the ndp will have essentially pulled off what they said they were going to do

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by CanuckShooter

No they have a chance because they are socialists...government by the people, for the people. Socialists are for schools and hospitals and roads, and all the things that the people need. Voters just got tired of seeing things for them eroded so the corporations and elites could get richer and richer while more regular people fell through the cracks. The right wing agenda had gone on too long, and had gone too far...it's their own fault they fell from favour.

That is the theory, unfortunately, theory and reality often differ. The reality is that the socialists want to control all industry, and all business, with the excuse that they want everyone to share the rewards equally, and the government run corporations are usually not successful, because the people running them don't have the initiative to make them successful. Without capitalism, there is no incentive to work hard to be successful, so the result is that many people don't put any effort into trying to be successful, instead they do as little as possible, and live like parasites off of other people's hard work. Eventually the hard working people realize that their hard work isn't getting them any extra reward, so they stop working hard, and the entire industry and economy suffers. It's no different than many unions, that were created to improve working conditions and benefits for all workers, and ended up with the senior people not working as hard, because they know that their positions are safe because of their seniority. Any time you take away people's ability to reap the benefits of personal gain for hard work, and you force them to share the rewards with the people that don't work hard you take away the incentive for people to work hard. For that reason, socialism does not work. As well, socialism and communism always breed corruption, because the people in charge are still greedy, but they can no longer be rewarded honestly, so they take their rewards in ways that go against their socialist/communist ideals.

[gunsight]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

I heard the women chew cope and the men don't shave their legs there...

do the men in alberta shave their legs if so that could be the problem.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by coreya3212

So wildrose was the best option until all the traitors and backstabbers left the party, now they cannot be trusted...got it....

Sounds like all political parties...sooner or later the snakes slither out from under the rock and do elsewhere...some are just better at slithering or like some call it networking...fools will follow too

[JimPS]

The backlash against the old school entitled corrupt conservative right was hard in the last election.

Whether they can pick up the pieces and regain power in a province with rapidly changing demographics and an economy in flux and transition - is - the the sixty-four-thousand-dollar question that's hard to answer.

I'm not thinking a lot of educated young people are going to be attracted to a party of self serving opportunists led by a has been federal con drafted into service by an irrelevant old boys foundation led by old Social Credit social values.

People that want to see a future for conservatives values, should get behind Brian Jean if they want the swamp drained of the creatures that brought them down hard in the last election.

[Headdamage]

Never underestimate the right's ability to self sabotage and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by Headdamage

Never underestimate the right's ability to self sabotage and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Just like Trump?