Home Schooling?

[roger]

Originally Posted by cotang

Anyone currently home school their kids? or have done so? I was wondering how much work is it?

kinda puts a weird twist on wanting to have sx with the teacher doesnt it....

[fishstix]

Ive seen lots of fences built in my time. It looks easy. But when I go to build a fence its obviously done by an amateur. Anyone who looks at it can tell an amateur did this job. Why would you want to do that to your child. I spend lots of time in the grade 1 class as a patent helper.
There is no way you can do what the teachers do.
There is no replacement for the social aspect that a regular school provides.
You might be able to do the lessons, but not at the level that a professional teacher does it.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by fishstix

Ive seen lots of fences built in my time. It looks easy. But when I go to build a fence its obviously done by an amateur. Anyone who looks at it can tell an amateur did this job. Why would you want to do that to your child. I spend lots of time in the grade 1 class as a patent helper.
There is no way you can do what the teachers do.
There is no replacement for the social aspect that a regular school provides.
You might be able to do the lessons, but not at the level that a professional teacher does it.

The countless success stories of homeschooling prove you wrong.

The countless failures produced by the public system also prove you wrong.

[Opa]

Home schooling definitely has its place. We know kids that were home schooled and did well, both scholastically and socially. By the same token, we know kids that were home schooled who did well in neither. Home schooling is entirely dependent on the parent/child relationship, and the kid's willingness to accept their parent(s) as their teacher, and the kid's ability to learn that will dictate either success or failure. Our kids completed their high school grades 10-12 at private schools, because my wife, even being a highly qualified teacher, did not think that she could teach her own kids for fear of alienating our relationship with two extremely strong-willed children. Both kids now have post-graduate degrees.

[fishstix]

Originally Posted by Newview01

The countless success stories of homeschooling prove you wrong.

The countless failures produced by the public system also prove you wrong.

really? Care to share a few success stories. A few failure stories.
How much time have you spent in a classroom this year.? None.? Really?
My point is the school system does more for your child than you can at home. Socialization takes place every second of school. Everyday. You don't have to make a special trip to try to socialize your child. We school system parents get our kids out socializing after school, on weekends. We're on sports teams, we hike. We call this life. Not part of our requirements as a home schooler.
School is school and home life is home life.

[Twisted Canuck]

I seen lots of grate resultz frum home skooling, and I are one of them! Befour, I cud knot even spell Powur Enginier, and now I are one!







Kidding, my oldest kids were home schooled for the first couple of years, and then we realized my wife couldn't deal with educating 4 or 5 children at different levels, and raise them, and keep a home, while I worked to support them. So off they went to school, and then post secondary, and they are all doing remarkably well.

We have friends and family who have had good results with home schooling, and I have seen dismal failures as well (mostly kids who got more instruction in Noah building an Ark and Lot's wife turning to salt, then in math)....it really depends on how much effort and ability/qualifications the parents have. Socializing is another matter entirely. Results and mileage vary as in every other area of life.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by fishstix

really? Care to share a few success stories. A few failure stories.
How much time have you spent in a classroom this year.? None.? Really?
My point is the school system does more for your child than you can at home. Socialization takes place every second of school. Everyday. You don't have to make a special trip to try to socialize your child. We school system parents get our kids out socializing after school, on weekends. We're on sports teams, we hike. We call this life. Not part of our requirements as a home schooler.
School is school and home life is home life.

Maybe read the replies on this thread for some success stories.

As far as failures - look around you.

[sigma1]

If your child has learning/behavior issues you best get directly involved in exactly how your child is doing in school. Schools get extra funding for coded children so have the school bring in the professionals to do assessments to prove your child needs individual help. Once coded the school gets extra money to bring in the needed help. If you homeschool your on your own. Get involved and you can demand the help. And if the school lacks in intelligent people just switch schools instead of trying to change the world. Good luck its not easy.

[Rancid Crabtree]

The public school system does what it's supposed to do, very well.
That being provide a very very basic education to the working class that will help them be productive employees. The mandate is for the benefit of society but not always the individual.
Having said that, depending on the home life, for many kids the public school is the best option available.
We home school and love it but I don't claim that it's for everyone.

[The Flint&Fly Guy]

Originally Posted by fishstix

really? Care to share a few success stories. A few failure stories.
How much time have you spent in a classroom this year.? None.? Really?
My point is the school system does more for your child than you can at home. Socialization takes place every second of school. Everyday. You don't have to make a special trip to try to socialize your child. We school system parents get our kids out socializing after school, on weekends. We're on sports teams, we hike. We call this life. Not part of our requirements as a home schooler.
School is school and home life is home life.

the big key here is my parents didn't want me to to fit todays society mold! I socialized all the time in my schooling as well, but instead of with peers and the values taught at the public school, I socialized with my parents, grandparents, and friends. I learnt the principles for life that my parents valued, not what "society" valued. SO if the principles you want your child to be raised up to are those of the school system than by all means send them there! And if not being your average young guy in society makes me a failure than I'm a prime example!

[sweetveggie]

Originally Posted by cotang

Anyone currently home school their kids? or have done so? I was wondering how much work is it?

It really depends on how many kids and what ages they are. For example, teaching/school time could be as little as one hour/day in the early years with a traditional model, but expect that to increase over the years, as more difficult concepts are being taught and subjects progress beyond the three Rs to include things like humanities and science.

On top of this, you do need to do your own research on appropriate curriculum and form a plan, usually for the year in advance. Some people are more spontaneous, but your support teacher will expect to see some sort of plan if you expect to receive funding.

As to the other things mentioned in this thread, I have the following to mention:

1. Academic Excellence: Both I and my husband were homeschooled, him through grade 12, except for a couple courses in the last year, and I for my elementary years. Neither of our mothers are trained teachers. Both of us have a Bachelor's Degree now (him in Civil Engineering, and I in Biblical Studies). I was an honour student through high school and in College. My husband's brother, also homeschooled entirely, is a lawyer.

2. Socialization: As the kids plastered to their phones and technology show, public school can't properly socialize children who are addicted to technology. Proper socialization doesn't mean you can feel comfortable in a crowd. It means that you can carry on a meaningful conversation, engage in discussion without starting a blood feud, have empathy for others, and maintain eye contact. This is unnatural for all children, and while homeschoolers do have to work a bit harder to give their kids practice at these skills, intentional socialization will probably always trump the 'natural socialization' that is happening in public schools today.

I feel like I could go on all day about the benefits of homeschooling, but it really isn't for everyone. If you are unwilling to work on fixing your own faults as you go along, or to get help when you are struggling, or to spend every day with your children, you might need to consider alternatives.

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by fishstix

Ive seen lots of fences built in my time. It looks easy.

It is easy, you just have to know what your doing.

Originally Posted by fishstix

But when I go to build a fence its obviously done by an amateur. Anyone who looks at it can tell an amateur did this job. Why would you want to do that to your child.

Because the portion of fence shared with our neighbor was constructed by a journeyman carpenter. The portion I built along the unshared property line looks alot nicer, is constructed of better materials, is much more solid, and cheaper. I'd want to do "that" to my child because I love them and care about there general well being.

Originally Posted by fishstix

You might be able to do the lessons, but not at the level that a professional teacher does it.

When I attended U of A, the majority of people who dropped out of my degree program took education. A quick Google search, the top three easiest degrees to obtain, Special Education, Elementary Education, Secondary Education.

http://www.thebestcolleges.org/top-1...degree-majors/

[Big Grey Wolf]

If you want your children to be university graduates send them to schools with professional teachers, if you want to raise hamburger flippers experiment with home schooling.

[Rancid Crabtree]

Originally Posted by Big Grey Wolf

If you want your children to be university graduates send them to schools with professional teachers, if you want to raise hamburger flippers experiment with home schooling.

LOL

Thanks for that.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by densa44

Then this post shows that there are many other motives, no so pure.

Is this more popular in Alberta than other provinces, growing up in Toronto and Ottawa I never hear of it.

Why don't we have have a go at fixing what ever is wrong with the public education system. Start by running for the school board, the election is in October.

If you know what needs fixing please make yourself available it will help lots of children and thus the whole province.

I just can't even list what I would have missed out on if I had been home schooled.

Next to good health there is nothing more important we can give out children than an education.

I can name many things that children miss out on being schooled. I went to public school. I can tell you for our children and many others I know the benefits of public school don't compare. My kids get field trips of value all the time. Many times their friends are with them. My children have a far better relationship with their parents because time does matter. My children don't have to wait and be held back for the sake of others or rushed through struggles for the sake of others.

Having been a world traveler I can tell you two things; we are the only people that believe our education and Healthcare are fantastic for a 1st world country. What we still have here is freedom and we should never neglect that or give it up.

Originally Posted by fishstix

Ive seen lots of fences built in my time. It looks easy. But when I go to build a fence its obviously done by an amateur. Anyone who looks at it can tell an amateur did this job. Why would you want to do that to your child. I spend lots of time in the grade 1 class as a patent helper.
There is no way you can do what the teachers do.
There is no replacement for the social aspect that a regular school provides.
You might be able to do the lessons, but not at the level that a professional teacher does it.

Except your wrong. Because the percentage of homeschooling persons attending college, trades and university has been at par and higher historically per capita.

Originally Posted by fishstix

really? Care to share a few success stories. A few failure stories.
How much time have you spent in a classroom this year.? None.? Really?
My point is the school system does more for your child than you can at home. Socialization takes place every second of school. Everyday. You don't have to make a special trip to try to socialize your child. We school system parents get our kids out socializing after school, on weekends. We're on sports teams, we hike. We call this life. Not part of our requirements as a home schooler.
School is school and home life is home life.

And we'll start with what reality in your adult life do you find yourself in a sterilized room with 30-40 other people your exact age performing the same task?

You need to look up the definition for socialization. Stop pounding you emotional preference into the subject here. Since when does getting on a bus twice a day not count as a special trip? Our kids hike, are on sports teams, enroll in art classes, take music lessons, skip out at night and get in trouble. This somehow is different because your experience lacks reference?

Originally Posted by Big Grey Wolf

If you want your children to be graduates send them to schools with professional teachers, if you want to raise hamburger flippers experiment with home schooling.

Funny. In all of the people I know the only adult burger flippers I know went to public school. Mostly because it failed them and that's where they found their addictions.

Super contribution their though bud. Here is another participation ribbon..

[Rancid Crabtree]

I know hundreds of home schoolers.
I haven't found one that voted NDP yet.

I'll keep asking around.

I'm thinking that would make a great bumper sticker "homeschoolers don't vote NDP"

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by Big Grey Wolf

If you want your children to be university graduates send them to schools with professional teachers, if you want to raise hamburger flippers experiment with home schooling.

What if the professional teacher has gone the way of the dodo? Which it seems is more and more the case.

Either way I am willing to bet that the vast majority of hamburger flippers came out of the public system.

[traderal]

Originally Posted by Big Grey Wolf

If you want your children to be university graduates send them to schools with professional teachers, if you want to raise hamburger flippers experiment with home schooling.

I am friends with 3 families that homeschooled. Not one of the kids flipped burgers, or had face and other body parts piercings or tattoos, didn't dress like ****s or gangbangers, all could write and speak proper English, were able to look adults in the face and carry on an adult conversation, were not confused as to which bathroom to use, definately do not vote left, all now have real jobs,need I go on.

[heronfish]

Homeschooling does have its place.

But the worst reason to home school is to purposely isolate your children from society. Patents that do this are failing their kids.

The public system leaves a lot to be desired too.

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[ESOXangler]

Originally Posted by traderal

I am friends with 3 families that homeschooled. Not one of the kids flipped burgers, or had face and other body parts piercings or tattoos, didn't dress like ****s or gangbangers, all could write and speak proper English, were able to look adults in the face and carry on an adult conversation, were not confused as to which bathroom to use, definately do not vote left, all now have real jobs,need I go on.

I don't want to isolate my kids from society so they'll vote a certain way. I want them to have their own opinions. My job as a parent is to shape them, not brainwash them.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

I don't want to isolate my kids from society so they'll vote a certain way. I want them to have their own opinions. My job as a parent is to shape them, not brainwash them.

How did you get brainwashing from that post? Sounds like some responsible, moral, ethical people.

[ESOXangler]

Originally Posted by Newview01

How did you get brainwashing from that post? Sounds like some responsible, moral, ethical people.

That's all in the washin'

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by fishstix

really? Care to share a few success stories. A few failure stories.
.

Home schooled:
Condoleeza Rice
George Washington
Abraham Lincoln
Teddy Roosevelt
Ansel Adams
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Edison
Erwin Schrodinger (until age 10)
Mozart
Douglas Macarthur
Patton
Claude Monet
Mark Twain
CS Lewis
Charles Dickens
Thomas Jefferson




Justin Trudeau, Rachel Notley, Kathleen Wynne, and Omar Khadr were not home schooled.


Interesting side note: Thomas Edison attended "school" until age 12 whereupon he was kicked out because the teacher thought he was "addled". His mom taught him from then on.

[sjemac]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Home schooled:
Condoleeza Rice
George Washington
Abraham Lincoln
Teddy Roosevelt
Ansel Adams
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Edison
Erwin Schrodinger (until age 10)
Mozart
Douglas Macarthur
Patton
Claude Monet
Mark Twain
CS Lewis
Charles Dickens
Thomas Jefferson




Justin Trudeau, Rachel Notley, Kathleen Wynne, and Omar Khadr were not home schooled.


Interesting side note: Thomas Edison attended "school" until age 12 whereupon he was kicked out because the teacher thought he was "addled". His mom taught him from then on.

Condoleeza was not home schooled.

"She began the Second grade in 1961 at a local grammar school in Titusville, Alabama - a town near Birmingham.

When she moved to Denver in 1968 she attended St. Mary's, a private Catholic school. She excelled, and completed enough classes to graduate by the time she was fifteen. However, she wanted to continue and graduate with her class."

http://www.indepthinfo.com/condoleez...ducation.shtml

Teddy had private teachers teaching him and Douglas MacArthur went to school as soon as his family got off of the frontier.

Those were the first three I looked at. Hardly the homeschooling that is being discussed here and aside from Rice, none of them were even born within the last century.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by sjemac

Condoleeza was not home schooled.

"She began the Second grade in 1961 at a local grammar school in Titusville, Alabama - a town near Birmingham.

When she moved to Denver in 1968 she attended St. Mary's, a private Catholic school. She excelled, and completed enough classes to graduate by the time she was fifteen. However, she wanted to continue and graduate with her class."

http://www.indepthinfo.com/condoleez...ducation.shtml

Teddy had private teachers teaching him and Douglas MacArthur went to school as soon as his family got off of the frontier.

Those were the first three I looked at. Hardly the homeschooling that is being discussed here and aside from Rice, none of them were even born within the last century.

Yes, she was. Briefly. But crucially.

My mother decided to take a year’s leave from teaching to coach me in preparation for the exam.* Years later when the home-schooling movement became more visible, I belatedly realized that I had been a part of it, if only in an ad hoc way.* Mother was very systematic about my school day.* We’d get up and see Daddy off to work and then start ‘school.’* She ordered the first-and second-grade texts in math, science, and reading and took me through them in a very rigorous fashion.* I’d take tests every week to chart our progress.* This flexible schedule also allowed time to practice piano, and as a result, I advanced significantly during this time…
I didn’t mind having my mother teach me at home, except for one thing: I wanted to be like the other kids who would go to school every morning and come home at the end of the day.* I felt so different and I hated it…. ‘Next year,’ I proclaimed, ‘I will be in second grade!’* I was very proud when I passed the test, scoring at a third-grade level of competency in arithmetic and a fifth-grade level in reading.* I entered Lane Elementary School as a six-year-old second grader. (p.52-53)

[sjemac]

Originally Posted by Newview01

Yes, she was. Briefly. But crucially.

That is simply a more intense version of what a good parent should be doing anyway. If your sending your kids to school on their first day without having done any pre-work at home, you're probably not a stellar parent to begin with.

Instead of kindergarten, we kept our son home an extra year to do much the some thing. The debate here is about whether homeschooling is appropriate for the bulk of a child's educational career and the Rice example does not bear that out at all.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by sjemac

That is simply a more intense version of what a good parent should be doing anyway. If your sending your kids to school on their first day without having done any pre-work at home, you're probably not a stellar parent to begin with.

Instead of kindergarten, we kept our son home an extra year to do much the some thing. The debate here is about whether homeschooling is appropriate for the bulk of a child's educational career and the Rice example does not bear that out at all.

So are you in agreement with homeschooling or not?

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by sjemac

Condoleeza was not home schooled.

"She began the Second grade in 1961 at a local grammar school in Titusville, Alabama - a town near Birmingham.

When she moved to Denver in 1968 she attended St. Mary's, a private Catholic school. She excelled, and completed enough classes to graduate by the time she was fifteen. However, she wanted to continue and graduate with her class."

http://www.indepthinfo.com/condoleez...ducation.shtml

Teddy had private teachers teaching him and Douglas MacArthur went to school as soon as his family got off of the frontier.

Those were the first three I looked at. Hardly the homeschooling that is being discussed here and aside from Rice, none of them were even born within the last century.

That's pretty amazing how well Ms Rice was able to do with only one year of home-schooling. Set her up very well apparently.

I only checked your claim that Teddy had private teachers. Here is what I found in his biography:

https://www.nps.gov/thri/theodorerooseveltbio.htm

Due to their various health problems, none of the Roosevelt children attended school outside of their own home. They were tutored by their mother, their Aunt Anna Bulloch, and by a French governess. As Theodore grew older, he shed the nickname "Teedie" in favor of his formal first name. Despite popular belief, he never liked, or used, the name "Teddy." Shortly after his sixteenth birthday, it was decided that Theodore would attend Harvard University in the fall of 1876. A private tutor was engaged to help prepare him for college.

Thomas Edison was considered "addled" by public schools. Today, I suspect the "addled" boys of old are the rambunctious boys of today and are "problems" that are told to act more like the quiet girls...otherwise they are put on drugs.

Everyone is different. I suspect many will thrive in public schools and many will thrive with home schooling.

[sjemac]

Originally Posted by rugatika

That's pretty amazing how well Ms Rice was able to do with only one year of home-schooling. Set her up very well apparently.

I only checked your claim that Teddy had private teachers. Here is what I found in his biography:

https://www.nps.gov/thri/theodorerooseveltbio.htm

Biographers can differ:

https://millercenter.org/president/r...the-presidency

"As a young boy, Roosevelt was tutored at home by private teachers. "

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by sjemac

Biographers can differ:

https://millercenter.org/president/r...the-presidency

"As a young boy, Roosevelt was tutored at home by private teachers. "

Fair enough, we'll just have to agree that you're wrong.

At any rate, as I said, lots of examples of successful people being homeschooled, and it's not the road to ruin as so many like to paint it.