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Old 11-19-2019, 01:06 PM
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Daylight saving time engagement
Share your thoughts on the future of time change in Alberta.

Every year, Albertans "spring forward" an hour in March to observe daylight saving time and then "fall back" an hour in November to revert to Standard Time.

While we've observed daylight saving time for 50 years, the conversation about whether or not we should – and what this practice means – has been going on even longer.

We want to hear your thoughts about ending the practice of changing our clocks twice a year.

https://www.alberta.ca/daylight-savi...S8TZARDO0ooPiU

I find it to be pointless in modern times
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Old 11-19-2019, 01:22 PM
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Just voted to rid the hogwash.
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Old 11-19-2019, 01:28 PM
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Voted no, please for the love of god end this pointless clock change.
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Old 11-19-2019, 01:32 PM
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I voted keep the change twice a year what's the big deal .
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Old 11-19-2019, 01:36 PM
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I like DST so I voted for keeping it as is. I prefer the earlier morning light to get going in the fall and the later light evenings in the spring. In the end, life will go on...
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Old 11-19-2019, 05:03 PM
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I voted keep the change twice a year what's the big deal .
I voted no, what’s the big deal?
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Old 11-19-2019, 05:13 PM
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I voted no, what’s the big deal?
Then why vote at all if it is no big deal?
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Old 11-19-2019, 01:31 PM
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Done voted one time
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Old 11-19-2019, 01:35 PM
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Wonder why they only present two options... isn't sticking with standard time year round also a valid option?

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Old 11-19-2019, 01:46 PM
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Thanks for the heads up. I agree that the change is no longer relevant for society. Unfortunately the survey is flawed - there should be three options:

Options provided in the public engagement survey:
1) No change, keep switching clocks twice a year.
2) Adopt year-round daylight savings time ("summer hours")

Option not provided in the survey:
3) Adopt year-round standard time ("winter hours")

The only options on the Alberta engagement page are (1) and (2). Option (2) is the same one that BC is considering. However, most biologists and psychologists that study the topic agree that more morning sun is healthier. In short, their studies find that waking up around the same time as sunrise is best/healthiest, and therefore option (3) should be the one we adopt.

Unfortunately, with a flawed survey like this, many of the results of people that want to get rid of changing clocks twice/year will just pick option 2 (no more changing!), but not really understand that there's a difference between option 2 & 3.

Here's a good article on the subject:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...time-all-year/

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Changing our clocks twice a year has little benefit, economic or otherwise, so isn’t it time to stop this antiquated practice? The good news is that some provincial legislatures agree and are currently considering bills to adopt permanent time. As experts on biological rhythms, we support the switch to a permanent time. However, in doing so, we must adopt Standard Time (ST), not Daylight Savings Time (DST, or “summer time”).
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Old 11-19-2019, 01:52 PM
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".. the survey is flawed - there should be three options:

Options provided in the public engagement survey:
2) Adopt year-round daylight savings time ("summer hours")

Option not provided in the survey:
3) Adopt year-round standard time ("winter hours")..."
I don't care which is choosen, just pick one & let's quit
with the 'unstable in our ways' double mindedness already
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Old 11-19-2019, 01:52 PM
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Looks like tirebob and ARG beat me to the punch.

Yes, of course the one option the government didn't include in the survey is the one that would work better for most that want to get rid of the switch (and scientists agree is better).

Adopting year-round ST (not year-round DST) would give us more early morning light in the winter.
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Old 11-19-2019, 01:53 PM
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I like to hunt after work...I hate losing that hour in the evening. I like getting up to hunt later too.

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Old 11-19-2019, 01:57 PM
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I like to hunt after work...I hate losing that hour in the evening. I like getting up to hunt later too.

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wow now that's a real hardship I didn't think about that.
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Old 11-19-2019, 02:05 PM
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wow now that's a real hardship I didn't think about that.
If only for this reason, I think it’s a solid justification!

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Old 11-19-2019, 02:01 PM
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I like to hunt after work...I hate losing that hour in the evening. I like getting up to hunt later too.

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Exactly. Shortens my after work hunt by half...
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Old 11-19-2019, 02:05 PM
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Exactly. Shortens my after work hunt by half...
Dam it's spreading could be a lot of people now have to hunt harder in half the time.
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Old 11-19-2019, 02:07 PM
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BC just finished going through the same process ... https://engage.gov.bc.ca/daylightsavingtime/

Here's the result 👉 https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...time-some-day/

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Old 11-19-2019, 06:10 PM
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I like to hunt after work...I hate losing that hour in the evening. I like getting up to hunt later too.

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This is 100% on point.
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Old 11-19-2019, 06:15 PM
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Truly hilarious some of the comments what a fun read
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Old 11-19-2019, 06:18 PM
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Thanks for the heads up. I agree that the change is no longer relevant for society. Unfortunately the survey is flawed - there should be three options:

Options provided in the public engagement survey:
1) No change, keep switching clocks twice a year.
2) Adopt year-round daylight savings time ("summer hours")

Option not provided in the survey:
3) Adopt year-round standard time ("winter hours")

The only options on the Alberta engagement page are (1) and (2). Option (2) is the same one that BC is considering. However, most biologists and psychologists that study the topic agree that more morning sun is healthier. In short, their studies find that waking up around the same time as sunrise is best/healthiest, and therefore option (3) should be the one we adopt.

Unfortunately, with a flawed survey like this, many of the results of people that want to get rid of changing clocks twice/year will just pick option 2 (no more changing!), but not really understand that there's a difference between option 2 & 3.

Here's a good article on the subject:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...time-all-year/

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Option 3 would be the wrong choice based on your comments re morning sun is healthier and that waking up at sunrise is the best choice. Do you know what time sunrise is on the 21st of Jun in Calgary? 0521 is the answer and that answer is based on DST. If we stayed on ST then sunrise would be 0421. Who wants 0421 to be their wake up time? Crickets....

So that being the case, you would be sleeping during the healthiest the of the day. Therefore moving the time (sun) into the most productive part of the day is the right thing to do. Standard time all year is the least favourable option and maybe that is why it is not included as an option.
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Old 11-20-2019, 02:17 AM
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Do you know what time sunrise is on the 21st of Jun in Calgary?
Hey don't try to convince him. The way it is he couldn't live up north.

Sunrise in High Level is at 3:30 am on June 21 and it sets at 10:00pm. Better still he couldn't work up here in December, we only have 6 1/2 hours of daylight on December 21

He'd be going to work in the dark and going home in the dark.

And that's part of why daylight svings time doesn't make sense. It only works for the southern half of the province. If it works at all.
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Old 11-20-2019, 07:43 AM
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For me, moving 1 hour forwards or backwards is no big deal. I don't care either way. What is more of interest is that people want to change time zones. I didn't know that was even an option. Sounds like people have too much time on their hands to me ... or is it not enough?
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Old 11-19-2019, 01:36 PM
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For those who advocate the switch- enjoy those late night hockey games. Hockey night in Canada will be done at midnight if we go this direction…

Leave it as is.
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