So - who here has had Covid ??

[Talking moose]

14 days ago. Funny it’s been so quiet.

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[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

I know several people who have tested positive for the virus, only one got sick.

At present our next door neighbors are in lock-down due to one family member testing positive, so far no one in that home has had symptoms.

In light of recent reports by several Ontario based news papers I don't know what to think.

To quote those news sources;



I would add, I expect those reports to disappear in the next few days.
Either that or they will be retracted and claims that some error was made by the reporter or reporters involved will be made.

I guess I'm getting covid burn out.

In Canada. One friend of the family died. One parent of a friend of the family recovered. One friend lost many relatives down in Brazil. Most people in my circle are being responsible. Most in Alberta are being responsible so there isn't a huge spread but it is increasing. Hopefully people help prevent its spread.

[KinAlberta]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

14 days ago. Funny it’s been so quiet.

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Flu deaths are estimates. There was a great article a number of years ago explaining the history of flu death estimates, since flu is/was very rarely put on death certificates.

Pneumonia is the direct killer.

“Cause-of-death statistics are based solely on the underlying cause of death as 'the disease or injury which initiated the train of events leading directly to death’" - National Center for Health Statistics.

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by KinAlberta

Flu deaths are estimates. There was a great article a number of years ago explaining the history of flu death estimates, since flu is/was very rarely put on death certificates.

Pneumonia is the direct killer.

“Cause-of-death statistics are based solely on the underlying cause of death as 'the disease or injury which initiated the train of events leading directly to death’" - National Center for Health Statistics.

I know that was true of the common flu, but this new flu is the most tracked in history. They have access to death certificates and autopsy reports, why not use them?

Besides, if they are estimates why aren't they saying so?

Not only that but how is it that they can claim zero false positives on their tests but can't come up with the actual number of true covids deaths.

If they would lead us to believe death counts are fact when they are actually estimates, then on what bases am I to believe that positive test results are not also estimates?

[Ken07AOVette]

https://news.sky.com/story/influence...tence-12107174

[alacringa]

I haven't had it, but my uncle has, and a student of mine has it.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

https://news.sky.com/story/influence...tence-12107174

That’s pretty brutal. It’s amazing how it effects certain people so intensely while most aren’t even sure if they have/had it.

[KinAlberta]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

That’s pretty brutal. It’s amazing how it effects certain people so intensely while most aren’t even sure if they have/had it.

Makes me think of George Burns smoking away and living a long life. I don’t know what the cancer rate was from smoking but it was high enough that the bodies did tend to noticeably pile up over time.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

That’s pretty brutal. It’s amazing how it effects certain people so intensely while most aren’t even sure if they have/had it.

Thats what scares me the most, the asymptomatic carriers. Doesn't keep me up at night, but you know what I mean.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

That’s pretty brutal. It’s amazing how it effects certain people so intensely while most aren’t even sure if they have/had it.

........ and precisely why we should all take reasonable precautions, take this seriously, but go on with our lives with awareness and respect for others.

Here's a healthy guy who is DEAD ......... so yes, it effects the old, sick and weak, but it doesn't mean it won't take a healthy child of yours or mine either.

That would change our families lives forever and there would be a void that could never be filled.

[Etownpaul]

Originally Posted by midgetwaiter

There a typo there, should have written the false NEGATIVE rate is around 20%. Shouldn't post when I'm on the phone.

I was sure I had Covid, fever, sore throat, chills, rash, loss of taste, fatigue the whole deal. I got the test and isolated until I got the negative result, which honestly surprised me. Oh well symptoms were gone a couple days after the test so back to work for me. Now I read this and it makes me second guess things.

From google:

The false-negative rate for SARS-CoV-2 RT-PCR testing is highly variable: highest within the first 5 days after exposure (up to 67%), and lowest on day 8 after exposure (21%).

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by EZM

........ and precisely why we should all take reasonable precautions, take this seriously, but go on with our lives with awareness and respect for others.

Here's a healthy guy who is DEAD ......... so yes, it effects the old, sick and weak, but it doesn't mean it won't take a healthy child of yours or mine either.

That would change our families lives forever and there would be a void that could never be filled.

Just because I play down the threat don’t think for a moment that I carry myself with such disrespect that I would not follow the public guidelines. I like a very low risk lifestyle even though I live in the city. I spend every weekend and some week days at my cabin, grocery shopping is about the most public exposure I get.

[Stinky Buffalo]

Incredigirl and kids have had tests whenever they have a sniffle (well, more than that, but you know what I mean) because they are in the school system. All tests have come up negative so far.

In January (as I mentioned on another thread) Incredigirl was laid up with the worst cold/flu that she's had in a while. She was very fatigued for three or four days, with cold/flu-like symptoms. Very rare for her to be hit that hard. It's quite possible that she had it back then.

Main concern is for Incredigirl's parents who are older and have their own health concerns. But honestly, the precautions that we take are the same as we take during any outbreak - colds, flu, etc.

I don't know of anyone who has tested positive, yet.

I really wish we could have some data on those who have had it already (and may not know that they have had it). Would be eye-opening for many, I'm sure.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

Just because I play down the threat don’t think for a moment that I carry myself with such disrespect that I would not follow the public guidelines. I like a very low risk lifestyle even though I live in the city. I spend every weekend and some week days at my cabin, grocery shopping is about the most public exposure I get.

I assumed so - my comments were a bit of a commentary really - not for you specifically or targeted for you.

I am the same way in some respects .... I am not hiding under my bed, nor paranoid to the point where it's making me or my family crazy. Best thing to do is stay calm, follow the rules and know these is a risk out there we all have to be aware of.

Just like other devastating diseases (say cancer for example) This thing sucks. It has killed people and devastated families - BUT unlike cancer it can be controlled and impacts can be minimized with good practices and some care.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by EZM

I assumed so - my comments were a bit of a commentary really - not for you specifically or targeted for you.

I am the same way in some respects .... I am not hiding under my bed, nor paranoid to the point where it's making me or my family crazy. Best thing to do is stay calm, follow the rules and know these is a risk out there we all have to be aware of.

Just like other devastating diseases (say cancer for example) This thing sucks. It has killed people and devastated families - BUT unlike cancer it can be controlled and impacts can be minimized with good practices and some care.

But- can it be controlled? It seems if your body can get through it, it will, and if not you die. They are throwing everything they can at it, but nothing has been shown to beat it afaik.

Many doctors and nurses have died from it.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

14 days ago. Funny it’s been so quiet.

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come on man...you and I know that as soon as you throw in any guberment agency there is going to be a mosh pit of bs floating around along with inaccuracies etc.....but the covid is not concern if it didn't get credit for a kill here or there.....it just kills.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

But- can it be controlled? It seems if your body can get through it, it will, and if not you die. They are throwing everything they can at it, but nothing has been shown to beat it afaik.

Many doctors and nurses have died from it.

I was more thinking along the lines of "controlling the rate of spread" - as opposed to the disease impact on a person once they have contracted the virus.

Death rates are falling, as a % of the people who contract it and have a fatal outcome is concerned, which means doctors are learning - which is good - but there is no cure - and people are still dying.

Unfortunately, the Death Rates, themselves, cumulatively, continue to climb.

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

come on man...you and I know that as soon as you throw in any guberment agency there is going to be a mosh pit of bs floating around along with inaccuracies etc.....but the covid is not concern if it didn't get credit for a kill here or there.....it just kills.

I’m sorry it doesn’t fit your narrative.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

But- can it be controlled? It seems if your body can get through it, it will, and if not you die. They are throwing everything they can at it, but nothing has been shown to beat it afaik.

Many doctors and nurses have died from it.

aaaand the scarey thing is it has dramatic side affects that is now being seen in patients who got through round one......ohhh and some now got it again too.

deny it, play it down or whatever floats your boat but this is real....stay healthy out there.....

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

I’m sorry it doesn’t fit your narrative.

why?...because I know the guberments are a little twisted and inaccurate with data etc or because the covid kills?

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

why?...because I know the guberments are a little twisted and inaccurate with data etc or because the covid kills?

Your right.
If the govt is admitting the inaccuracies of the tests to this degree, it’s probably even greater. Excellent point.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

aaaand the scarey thing is it has dramatic side affects that is now being seen in patients who got through round one......ohhh and some now got it again too.

deny it, play it down or whatever floats your boat but this is real....stay healthy out there.....

Talked to a doctor about this two days ago. They shook their head and said: “People can and do have lasting side affects from any flu!”

[EZM]

Originally Posted by chuck

Talked to a doctor about this two days ago. They shook their head and said: “People can and do have lasting side affects from any flu!”

Did that doctor acknowledge the fact that this is not a flu?

That the fatality rate is not even remotely close to that of the flu?

Did he indicate that serious side effects post exposure are more prevalent compared to the flu?

Did he mention the fact that never has the "flu" killed so many people so fast history?

Did he speak about the airborne infection rates between this and "the flu"?

Ridiculous comparison for a qualified doctor, scientist, pathologist or any educated person to make.

It's like saying, people die from "X" every year too !!!! It's irrelevant.

[MountainTi]

I was far more concerned driving to work this morning and somebody hitting me on crappy highways than I am over succumbing to the vid.

If those other drivers would just stay at home while I'm headed to work I'd feel a whole lot safer, and statistically safer as well. Or even if their speed limit was reduced to 10 km/hr......

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by EZM

That the fatality rate is not even remotely close to that of the flu?

Actually you are wrong, it’s like I tried explaining a few moths ago.

https://medium.com/microbial-instinc...u-8148e38b9ab5

If you don’t have time to read the article, this is the jst of it,

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by EZM

Did he mention the fact that never has the "flu" killed so many people so fast history?

Also the Spanish flu killed over 50 million people world wide, corona is a little under 1.6 million. I think maybe you forgot about that flu?


https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...ic-history.htm



It’s pretty obvious that social media fear mongering is a major factor in perspective.

[crazy_davey]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

I was far more concerned driving to work this morning and somebody hitting me on crappy highways than I am over succumbing to the vid.

If those other drivers would just stay at home while I'm headed to work I'd feel a whole lot safer, and statistically safer as well. Or even if their speed limit was reduced to 10 km/hr......

Did you wear your chin diaper while driving? It keeps you safe from other drivers don’t ya know.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by chuck

Talked to a doctor about this two days ago. They shook their head and said: “People can and do have lasting side affects from any flu!”

true....but this bugger is a new threat that medical people are working there butts off to get a grip on....which is a good thing.....have not been sick to date but I tend to be out and about vey low key....unless a fish, upland bird or a deer has got it

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

Actually you are wrong, it’s like I tried explaining a few moths ago.

https://medium.com/microbial-instinc...u-8148e38b9ab5

If you don’t have time to read the article, this is the jst of it,

hmmmm at first it was necessary to lock down just to kinda get a better idea what the heck was going on....now we again are starting to close up again and other countries have gone to lockdown again....this is a no joke type thing going on....sure there are going to be a billion thoughts etc but the reality of it is here...just take a look....stay healthy all.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

true....but this bugger is a new threat that medical people are working there butts off to get a grip on....which is a good thing.....have not been sick to date but I tend to be out and about vey low key....unless a fish, upland bird or a deer has got it

I predict the death rate from covid amongst deer will skyrocket this November according to some fact checkers. I mean they’ll get shot and all but tests will prove covid was the underlying factor.

Be careful out there!