Abolish Federal Gov't of Canada?

[pwdrbrn]

What purpose is served by our Federal Gov't which is beyond the capability of a decent or skilled Provincial Gov't? I asked this question today at work, and believe it or not, no one could come up with anything. Thoughts and comments sincerely welcomed from all! Realizing far too late in life how little I know about so much😡

[markg]

National Defense comes to mind. Issuance of currency.

[srs123]

What are you drinking tonight? And how much?

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by srs123

What are you drinking tonight? And how much?

Just jibber is all...

[ESOXangler]

You don't want your military running the country.

[coastalhunter]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

You don't want your military running the country.

The police already do

[densa44]

I would say other than the Health system and CPP there isn't much holding this together. But as others have mentioned we do have an armed forces, fought a number of wars to protect ourselves and others, and can you imagine a customs at every provincial boarder?

[BUSHRVN]

Us prairie provinces would be land locked and held hostage like we already are for getting anything in and out of our "little" country.

[260 Rem]

OP...did you ask in an email or just talk to the other guy on the tailgate at the safety meeting? . But seriously, take a look around the world, every country has a "federal" government.

[Jdjjanzen]

To collect taxes and pad their pockets. Like you said a provincial govt could do everything thr federal govt does and they'd do it better. Reason being they are directly dealing with their people. Not another province 3000 kms away...

[260 Rem]

I say we build a wall to keep all those "non Albertans" from coming in and taking our jobs. Hope those provinces to either side don't plug any pipelines.
Oh crap, now instead of railing about the CBC, we're going to have to put up with the ABC.
OP- carefull, smoking that stuff is not yet legal.

[Sigg]

I'd say you need both Prov and Fed to work together to clean out the pockets of the working people.

I remember people were stirred into a frenzy a few years ago thinking a corporate tax cut would help the middle class because new jobs would be created and all that fun stuff.
Then I specifically asked myself: Where is that lost portion of the pie going to be made up? Heyyyy Carbon Tax anyone??

[pwdrbrn]

Do we need a Senate and a Parliament to print our national currency? Could 10 provinces and 3 territories assign one member each from their governments to oversee our military and let soldiers/sailors/airmen actually run the military. We could still be the great country of Canada. We would just bring governance a little closer to the people. The thirteen smaller governments would have to be more responsible and reasonable when dealing with each other, especially when it comes to the division of revenues from nationally owned natural resources. No more 'Big Brother' ramming their personal or party agenda down our throats and wasting so much of our tax dollars in the process. Don't get me wrong. I'm not leaning towards a collective of communist states. Merely hypothesizing about the dissolution of the country's largest and most inefficient employer. No more Senators/MP's on the payroll, no more ridiculous lifetime pensions after a short span of service, no more $38 million renovations to house a person who is supposed to be working for us..... No more federal income tax, although our provincial income tax would surely go up somewhat. FYI, I have not been drinking 'the Kool-Aid' or anything else tonight. Just thinking out loud and looking for some feedback. Thanks to all who take the time to respond in a constructive and mature manner!

[qwert]

Originally Posted by markg

National Defense comes to mind. Issuance of currency.

Neither the Canadian Government or the Bank of Canada has 'issued' (created) any 'currency' (money) since ~1973, that money creation (and profit 'making') function has been 'assumed' by the privately owned for profit Canadian Chartered Banks.

The failure of the Bank of Canada to perform this function is the root cause of the large increase in Canada's National Debt since ~1973, and of the increased tax load necessary to pay the resultant costs of interest and principal payments.
http://comer.org/

[ETOWNCANUCK]

We could have a dictatorship, which isn't really all that favoured.

Russian, Chinese, North Korea types.

I would think we as Canadians still have it pretty good,, considering the mis steps of our current government.

[hilt134]

Like someone said it would become the federal government of alberta. I would seriusly doubt that we would keep the current system of provinces unless we adobted an eu like system. If it did what would happen to the territorys where they have little in terms of goods their real use is our position in the north.

In terms of defense with out the federal government, if the army keeps working as it does then we put our selfs in a postion where our army has no definitive leader. Does it follow a group of all the premeirs or do we ellect one person to do it. When dealing with other countrys who do we send to delegate yet again a group of all our premeirs?

As for costing less and bringing the government closer to the people. Good luck. Imagine trying to get all the reps of the provinces to do anything in a timely manor or cheap for that matter. I figure this would only make it harder for us. With the current system thing can be pushed through.
I figure the feds do a lot.

[saskbooknut]

Sure, we would all be better off as a bunch of trivial Balkanized states. NOT.

We already have a big problem as a small country next to an all powerful neighbour.

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by qwert

Neither the Canadian Government or the Bank of Canada has 'issued' (created) any 'currency' (money) since ~1973, that money creation (and profit 'making') function has been 'assumed' by the privately owned for profit Canadian Chartered Banks.

The failure of the Bank of Canada to perform this function is the root cause of the large increase in Canada's National Debt since ~1973, and of the increased tax load necessary to pay the resultant costs of interest and principal payments.
http://comer.org/

maybe if we say it over and over again people will clue in that it's not liberal spending or conservative balanced budgets we need but a rebuilding of our entire monetary system that is required.

[qwert]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

maybe if we say it over and over again people will clue in that it's not liberal spending or conservative balanced budgets we need but a rebuilding of our entire monetary system that is required.

Not sure that a complete rebuilding is required,
but rather a return to the Bank of Canada's monetary policies that enabled Canada to fight a World War, build the worlds 3rd largest navy, the Seaway, sea-coast harbors, Dew Line, Trans Canada Hwy & microwave network, and hospitals, funded the Universities that educated the veterans and baby boomers and also world class medical and other research, designed and built the Candu Reactor, established Medicare and CPP, and much more that made us the envy of the world, all without incurring substantial foreign or domestic debt.

All that ended in 1973 when the Bank of Canada (at the direction of the BIS) abandoned its core function of 'money creation' as authorized and practiced since 1937. Canadians have a perfectly good Publicly owned Central Bank, all we need is the will to use it as it was designed and intended to do.

http://comer.org/

[Bitumen Bullet]

Originally Posted by qwert

...... Canadians have a perfectly good Publicly owned Central Bank, all we need is the will to use it as it was designed and intended to do....

Canadians do but not Western Canadians. As I pointed out the Canadian banking system was designed for and by Canada's Elite, a banking Elite who cares little about what is best for the Canadian economy.

Still if I was in Ontario I would say exactly what you said, but being in Western Canada I suggest we really do need to create a new monetary system, one that acts in our interests, or at the very least our own homegrown Elites.

The Central Bank or Bank of Canada should have provided loan capital, money used to build infrastructure and industries, money that has to be paid back. That isn't how the Bank of Canada has operated, particularly in Western Canada.

Instead they, and Canada's banking establishment work on the principle of equity investment, mostly from the USA. This is what they, Canada, means when they tell Western Canada that a low dollar is good for investment, good for jobs.

The problem with equity investment is jobs is all we get. With equity investments ownership transfers to the investors. The enterprise or industry becomes American (usually) owned and controlled and profits flow out of the province.

We, Western Canadians, cannot pay back the loan out of profits because we never got a loan, we just got the jobs, Ottawa gets our taxes. How the enterprise is operated, it's use of resources, the extent of processing in Alberta, the amount of research and development, even the decision to import technology from a foreign parent company or even to develop a network of sources in Canada are done by investors elsewhere, who usually decide on what is best for them and theirs.

IMO using the bank of Canada is not in the interests of a strong wealthy robust Western economy, even if they went back to 1973 practices.

[Bulldog Edm]

Originally Posted by pwdrbrn

What purpose is served by our Federal Gov't which is beyond the capability of a decent or skilled Provincial Gov't? I asked this question today at work, and believe it or not, no one could come up with anything. Thoughts and comments sincerely welcomed from all! Realizing far too late in life how little I know about so much😡

If we got rid of the federal government there would technically be no "Canada". So our provincial government would be our Federal government.

[HunterDave]

Originally Posted by Bulldog Edm

If we got rid of the federal government there would technically be no "Canada". So our provincial government would be our Federal government.

Yup.

[waterninja]

Just talking about a Western Alliance that included BC, AB and Sask would be a huge step in the right direction


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[tirebob]

Originally Posted by waterninja

Just talking about a Western Alliance that included BC, AB and Sask would be a huge step in the right direction


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Basically this... No need to separate from Canada, but we need a block of western provinces to get together and form a political party that is large enough to hold the parties in charge accountable to the west, much like the bloc does for Quebec. We will never have enough seats to hold the main seat in federal power, but enough combined that any party in that seat will require our votes to achieve anything. That is the point where we gain actual power rather than perceived power.

[Mistagin]

What purpose does it serve????????

Uhh, ah, umm, uh, ah, hmmmm, uh - I know! Entertainment

[Bitumen Bullet]

The question is What purpose is served by our Federal Gov't which is beyond the capability of a decent or skilled Provincial Gov't?

It serves the purpose of the Elite, a Canadian Elite in Ontario and Quebec. It was never meant to serve the purpose of Western Canadians.

The West is in this "Confederation" because the resistance to Canadian military takeover failed. Those living here at the time were not asked, and those brought in afterwards have been told this arraignment is best for everyone. It was never meant to and still does not serve our interests.

The Purpose that could be served by the federal government and Confederation is to better represent our interests on a global scale, to advance our goals internationally, but that isn't an option at this point in time.

One of the main purposes of the colonies Confederating was to defend against U.S. aggression. Which is why a Canadian military able to defend Canada and answer to Canadian masters was so important to so many so long ago. Today Canada is a protectorate of the USA, almost completely dependent on the U.S. for defense, even responding to border issues and delivering services. Even our databases, including CPIC, are shared with the USA which is not uncommon with protectorates.

The other purpose of Canadian Confederation was to defend against reciprocity, free trade. By creating a trading zone of many colonies Canada was meant to protect business and resources north of the US border from plundering and domination. Today Canada has among the highest foreign ownership of it's business and industries and is locked into a trade agreement that gives US business almost complete access.

IMO the time to review Confederation is long overdue. It has failed on so many levels and in particular failed to represent or defend Western Canada and the concerns of Western Canadians.

Confederations are short term arrangements meant to end when the conditions that create them have ended. Those conditions have ended, it's time to end the Confederation and create new alliances in which our interests are better represented.

[jrowan]

Originally Posted by Bitumen Bullet

The question is What purpose is served by our Federal Gov't which is beyond the capability of a decent or skilled Provincial Gov't?

The West is in this "Confederation" because the resistance to Canadian military takeover failed. Those living here at the time were not asked, and those brought in afterwards have been told this arraignment is best for everyone. It was never meant to and still does not serve our interests.

Regarding this ^, prior to confederation the only Western province that existed was BC. All other western provinces were considered to be the Northwest Territory (prior to 1870 the land was technically owned by HBC as they had commercial domain over it). BC joined confederation due to the Feds promising a rail line to BC and insuring unelected members of the BC legislature received their pensions after a fully elected legislature was put in place. They even considered being annexed by the US due to Alaska being purchased, but the pro-confederation side won.

After construction of the rail line the Feds and CPR both used incentives to get people to move out west. Many of the towns and cities that now exist were due to their close proximity to the CPR line.

As for any resistance to Canada's expansion into the west the only large event that comes to mind, besides opposition in BC that was met during the construction of the rail line, is the Red River rebellion. But that was more related to Canadian and Metis relations.

[Selkirk]

Originally Posted by tirebob

Basically this... No need to separate from Canada, but we need a block of western provinces to get together and form a political party that is large enough to hold the parties in charge accountable to the west, much like the bloc does for Quebec. We will never have enough seats to hold the main seat in federal power, but enough combined that any party in that seat will require our votes to achieve anything. That is the point where we gain actual power rather than perceived power.

Been there ^, done that ^.

It was called The Reform Party.

The rest is history.

Mac

[CanuckShooter]

Originally Posted by tirebob

Basically this... No need to separate from Canada, but we need a block of western provinces to get together and form a political party that is large enough to hold the parties in charge accountable to the west, much like the bloc does for Quebec. We will never have enough seats to hold the main seat in federal power, but enough combined that any party in that seat will require our votes to achieve anything. That is the point where we gain actual power rather than perceived power.

Maybe if we get NDP in all the western provinces it could happen. After all Ottawa has been ruled by either Liberals or Conservatives forever....

[lmtada]

Correct! Vote for referendum. To break from confederation. It is Eastern Canada, that has it too good. Not western Canada.

http://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/c...o-ottawa-a-lot

Originally Posted by waterninja

Just talking about a Western Alliance that included BC, AB and Sask would be a huge step in the right direction


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