List of UCP decisions...reasons(?) not for vote to them? :)

[smitty9]

Well folks, here on a Sunday, chilling with the pup, can't do much due to wicked sore throat. Silver lining is any excuse to make the ol' buttered rum hot toddy. Pretty delicious.
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Know what else is delicious? Having actual reasons to vote for or against a party! lol

So instead of misinformation and disinformation, quarter-truths, (much of what is said on the ol' AOF General Discussion doesn't even qualify as half truths), stereotypes, sweeping generalizations, here's an actual list of actual decisions policies the UCP has actually done! lol

I know, I know....talking to a wall here. Remember, your friendly neighbourhood dipper socialist teacher doesn't come for the education, he comes for the complaining and comedy. No shortage of that around here.
So, I get it, minority, independent, centrist minded thinkers are not exactly welcomed. C'est la vie.


The most interesting thing will be if the mods of the forum allow such information to be deseminated. Clearly, many (all!!???) the mods here are on Team UCP. So, when push comes to shove, does the right actually believe in freedom??? We shall see!...

Enough pre-amble! Let's get on with this!

DECISIONS 1 through 50
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Athabasca University 7% tuition increase.
Cut Campus Alberta grant by ~ 18%.
Due to education cuts U of L ends hockey programs. Looks to community funded model to reinstate programming.
Evicted the Indigenous Learning Institute.
Formed Trades Hall of Fame only to cut post-secondary trades programs at Alberta schools.
Job cuts at: U of A, SAIT, NAIT, U of C, U of L, MHC, LCC, GRANT MACEWAN etc. due to the UCP’s cuts to funding of post-secondary institutions.
MACEWAN increases tuition by 10%. Removes several online and evening courses.
MHC cuts 5 degree programs. MHC will suspend new applications for those seeking to become educational assistants, social work and addiction counsellors, or obtain a bachelor of business administration degree, or those hoping to take initial engineering courses that can be transferred to other institutions.
NAIT, SAIT increase tuition by 7%
Norquest College closes Drayton Valley and Whitecourt Campuses due to cuts.
The Advanced Education minister has appointed Janice MacKinnon to the University of Alberta's board of governors, effective Saturday. She led the government's blue ribbon panel examining Alberta's spending.
Tuition cap removal.
U OF A'S CAMROSE CAMPUS DROPS REHAB MEDICINE AND POST-DEGREE NURSING PROGRAMS. Due to UCP post secondary cuts.
U of Alberta has cut 17.9% (Oct -6.9% + now -11%). Nearly 1/5 of the UofAs budget. Hundreds of support and non-tenured jobs are expected to be lost, along with major program cuts, by the end of March!
U of L to raise tuition 7%
Student loan interest rate increase due to removing the cap that had been enforced under the NDP.
Facing cuts, Bow Valley College closes one campus
UCP pays private firm 3.7 million to renew and reform post-secondary schools.
Due to budget cuts, Red Deer College has now laid off 2/3 of administrative staff
Due to UCP budget cuts, U of A will not participate in University athletics.
University of Lethbridge releases 2020 - 2021 Budget - Loses over $20.5 Million
UCP looks to have boards govern colleges and universities.
More cuts at U of A due to UCP cuts. NASA
UCP influenced BoG for ULeth looks to severely cut pay and Union protection for Faculty Association.
Post Secondary Funding cut again in budget 2021
U of Lethbridge and LCC react to budget 2021 cuts.
45% tuition increase in law program at U of A.
Squeezed by provincial cuts, UCalgary proposing 'massive' tuition hikes for some programs
UCP threatens online university, Athabasca University.
UCP approves exceptionally high tuition increase.
Alberta Farmers Lose Carbon Capture Credits
Bill 12, Liabilities Management Act, says that Govt delegates are “entitled to have access to and may enter on the land and any structure on the land” without owner consent.
Bill 26 completely exempts farm and ranch workers who work on a farm with five or fewer employees, not including workers employed for less than six months or who are family members, from the Employment Standards Code.
Removed agricultural scientists.
CEO of JBS named to "Champions of Agriculture" committee. Appears no representatives for agricultural workers on panel of 10 people.
Agriculture minister resigns
Cuts to respite in Calgary. Children's Cottage.
Cutting daycare subsidy, forcing many families to have to choose between paying for daycare or continuing to work.
"Removal of daycare and day home accreditation.
Children's Services cuts (cancellation of around 450 grants) some include:
- Family Supports for Children with Disabilities
- Early Childhood Development Coalitions
- Community Building Initiatives Grants
- Home visitation - New guidelines require 80% client focused time for outreach workers. While this does still include transportation and contact note time, it makes admin/training/planning/group implementation/supervision/team building much more difficult as front line workers have a LOT of documentation and policy review to keep up.
- Stay at home parent subsidy for preschool
- Early Childhood Education staff attraction grant
- Early Childhood Education Benefit Contribution Grant
- Support and Financial Assistance Agreements (SFAA), reduced dollars"
Alberta government will be discontinuing the Benefit Contribution Grant and the Staff Attraction Incentive which are aimed at supporting childcare centres and workers in the province.
Cuts to High Fidelity Wraparound Services.
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Now, undoubtedly, many here would agree with these decisions (few-some-many-all). I, for the record, agreed with some of them. In fact, one example, one indicator that Kenney was doing actually alright during the early, early, early days of the pandemic was that his hard core base was apoplectic. That's always an indication that a Conservative leader is trying to act somewhat reasonable; the hard core members of the base are right p'oed. Naturally, the federal example of the Cons eating their own young would be when they unceremoniously tossed reasonable and moderate Erin O'Toole for having the gall to lose and election to Trudeau (enter your favourite curse word here). Fun fact; though I have issues with the Fed Conservative policy book, I would have considered Mr. O'Toole a significant upgrade over Mr. Trudeau as prime minister. Oh well, or oh hell. Too bad we can't morph Canada into a Republican style of country where we vote for the pm separately. (and..that whole triple E senate thing)

Anyways, more decisions to come.

Smitty

[4extreme]

Reasons to vote for UCP...nut head and the NDP.

[Trochu]

Most of those items are not "UCP Decisions". The UCP did not raise tuition, fire staff, remove courses, etc. So don't come on here being all righteous about "actual" decisions and then post a bunch of fluff yourself. If it gets deleted, it's not because the Mods don't "believe in freedom", its because it's a fluff/half truth thread.

[coolpete1]

couldn't care less about school cuts , i like an economy where i can earn a living . last time that witch was in office we almost lost everything .

[smitty9]

Originally Posted by Trochu

Most of those items are not "UCP Decisions". The UCP did not raise tuition, fire staff, removal courses, etc. So don't come on here being all righteous about "actual" decisions and then post a bunch of fluff yourself. If it gets deleted, it's not because the Mods don't "believe in freedom", its because it's a fluff/half truth thread.

Bwahahaha! I literally burst out laughing Trochu...ah Gawd, you win the internet today my friend. Truly. My cheeks hurt!

If the standard for the AOF was "we'll delete stuff if it's fluff / half truths" 82.3% of the General Discussion would be gone!
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And for the record...
The list has been meticulously kept track of since 2019, and has sources. They ARE decisions made while the UCP has held power since 2019.

[Grizzly Adams1]

Fair response would be a list of reasons not to vote NDP. Personally, I think it's a Hobson's choice, pick the lesser of two evils.

Grizz

[Smokinyotes]

Don’t feed the troll. He is just trying to stir the pot. Better yet put him on the ignore list like I did.

[smitty9]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

Fair response would be a list of reasons not to vote NDP. Personally, I think it's a Hobson's choice, pick the lesser of two evils.

Grizz

That is completely, totally, and utterly fair!

But Grizz, some here don't like to play in the sandbox of facts. Unfortunate but true. They simply want to name call with words like "witch", "communist", and do the misinformation and disinformation, broad paint brush, sweeping generalization thing. C'est la vie. It is both entertaining...then repetitious and boring. The only point is to remind some here that 4 million Albertans live outside the AOF bubble, and many are over the age of 18, can vote, and they may have differing values, beliefs, perspectives, and worldviews that inform their vote.

And shocking as it is, - and, trigger warning to some AOF members, guard your minds well, cause they may be blown - perfectly reasonable, thoughtful, intelligent, caring people are out their that don't vote UCP. Some of them are even your friends and family, lol.

I know, ...crazy, right?

[jstubbs]

Some topical additions to the list:

https://globalnews.ca/news/6134709/a...al-budget/amp/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...cuts-1.3543978

UCP immediately chopped the wildfire prevention budget by $15,000,000 and got rid of the elite rappel wildfire team.

Originally Posted by Trochu

Most of those items are not "UCP Decisions". The UCP did not raise tuition, fire staff, remove courses, etc. So don't come on here being all righteous about "actual" decisions and then post a bunch of fluff yourself. If it gets deleted, it's not because the Mods don't "believe in freedom", its because it's a fluff/half truth thread.

Interesting that I have never seen a post like this on any of the threads that baselessly slander with garbage sources any political party that isn’t the UCP/federal Conservatives.

I would think that site ownership would prefer their moderator team to remain politically unbiased when acting in their respective authority, but you may know better than I.

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by smitty9

"we'll delete stuff if it's fluff / half truths" 82.3% of the General Discussion would be gone!

Including this thread.

Originally Posted by smitty9

And for the record...
The list has been meticulously kept track of since 2019, and has sources. They ARE decisions made while the UCP has held power since 2019.

What a joke. "Decisions made while the UCP has held power......". So, still no real UCP policies, UCP promises, or UCP action items. Just the action of others. Suit yourself, but I'm going to vote for a party based on their policies, not the decisions of other random organizations.

[jstubbs]

Originally Posted by Smokinyotes

Don’t feed the troll. He is just trying to stir the pot. Better yet put him on the ignore list like I did.

How is smitty9 a troll? Seems pretty respectful in all of his posts. An opinion that opposes the general consensus here is a good thing—drives thought and discussion.

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by jstubbs

Interesting that I have never seen a post like this on any of the threads that baselessly slander with garbage sources any political party that isn’t the UCP/federal Conservatives.

Do those post come in with that same air of superiority then proceed to post a bunch of decisions made by others while blaming a party while subtly taking a shot at the Mods who don't like "freedom"?

[smitty9]

Originally Posted by jstubbs

Some topical additions to the list:

https://globalnews.ca/news/6134709/a...al-budget/amp/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...cuts-1.3543978

UCP immediately chopped the wildfire prevention budget by $15,000,000 and got rid of the elite rappel wildfire team.



Interesting that I have never seen a post like this on any of the threads that baselessly slander with garbage sources any political party that isn’t the UCP/federal Conservatives.

I would think that site ownership would prefer their moderator team to remain politically unbiased when acting in their respective authority, but you may know better than I.

You're dreaming, Jstubbs. The AO is magazine with a particular editorial bent. And they are perfectly within their rights to do so. Any semblance of moderate balance went out the window when Trudeau was elected. The hate for anything Liberal and Trudeau runs so deep, with guns laws as square one, the lightsabers here are permanently red.

I don't expect the mod team to be unbiased; the point of this thread is to see whether they actually believe in freedom of expression. Which makes Trochu's response all that more comedic. I suppose they get to decide what they think is "fluff" and "half truths" (ironic) but we'll certainly see if they live up to their principles.

Cause the list ain't done yet.

The cherry on top is... just like Smokinyotes advised...people can always ignore or scroll by. And yeah, for sure, I am trying to stir the pot.
To make a scintillating point.

[smitty9]

Originally Posted by Trochu

Do those post come in with that same air of superiority then proceed to post a bunch of decisions made by others while blaming a party while subtly taking a shot at the Mods who don't like "freedom"?

So you're going to "tone police" then? Sounds kinda like a lefty woke thing to me...

I can't help you if you interpret the text with an "air of superiority". That's on you friend.

Carry on.

[elkhunter11]

Costs have gone up, and someone has to pay. And why have costs gone up, because of inflation and the carbon tax, which has in itself caused inflation. A huge part of the rise in inflation, is due to the federal government printing more and more money, and giving it away to other countries and their friends, as well as for stupid politically correct programs that we can't afford. And the ndp supports all of the printing of money, and giving it to other countries, and to their friends, and these useless programs and studies. So when costs go up, either someone has to make up the difference, or programs have to be cancelled, unless of course you are the liberals or ndp that just keep spending, and growing the debt, or adding taxes like the carbon tax, that just increases costs more.

[jstubbs]

Originally Posted by Trochu

Do those post come in with that same air of superiority then proceed to post a bunch of decisions made by others while blaming a party while subtly taking a shot at the Mods who don't like "freedom"?

They don’t need to when the mods comment on their threads in full agreeance.

For the record: I applaud and thank all of you on the moderating team for doing a relatively thankless volunteer position. Yourself included Trochu. Just pointing out some inconsistencies as I see ‘em.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by jstubbs

Some topical additions to the list:

https://globalnews.ca/news/6134709/a...al-budget/amp/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...cuts-1.3543978

UCP immediately chopped the wildfire prevention budget by $15,000,000 and got rid of the elite rappel wildfire team.



Interesting that I have never seen a post like this on any of the threads that baselessly slander with garbage sources any political party that isn’t the UCP/federal Conservatives.

I would think that site ownership would prefer their moderator team to remain politically unbiased when acting in their respective authority, but you may know better than I.

What a coincidence , this happened just before the Fort McMurray fire. And $15M was worth more in 2016.

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/pol...ildfire-budget

And of course Notley brought us this by breaking electrical contracts.

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/co...-fiasco-mounts


Notley brought us a carbon tax, and the UCP suspended the provincial fuel tax to offset fuel costs.

[Trapperdylan]

Originally Posted by jstubbs

Some topical additions to the list:

https://globalnews.ca/news/6134709/a...al-budget/amp/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...cuts-1.3543978

UCP immediately chopped the wildfire prevention budget by $15,000,000 and got rid of the elite rappel wildfire team.



Interesting that I have never seen a post like this on any of the threads that baselessly slander with garbage sources any political party that isn’t the UCP/federal Conservatives.

I would think that site ownership would prefer their moderator team to remain politically unbiased when acting in their respective authority, but you may know better than I.

I wonder when Danielle Smith will call the feds for some assistance. Its been called an emergency and she thinks we can keep all 30 some odd out of control fires, under control, doubtful in these conditions. 25thousand albertans evacuated and yet no call for help from the feds for some extra water bombers. But hey it's the lefties fault cause they must've started them... very logical

[jstubbs]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

What a coincidence , this happened just before the Fort McMurray fire. And $15M was worth more in 2016.

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/pol...ildfire-budget

Even worse then… UCP didn’t learn from the NDP’s blunder even after the Fort McMurray fire.

[amosfella]

Originally Posted by jstubbs

Some topical additions to the list:

https://globalnews.ca/news/6134709/a...al-budget/amp/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...cuts-1.3543978

UCP immediately chopped the wildfire prevention budget by $15,000,000 and got rid of the elite rappel wildfire team.



Interesting that I have never seen a post like this on any of the threads that baselessly slander with garbage sources any political party that isn’t the UCP/federal Conservatives.

I would think that site ownership would prefer their moderator team to remain politically unbiased when acting in their respective authority, but you may know better than I.

Actually, NDP cut the wildfire prevention budget. As for the rappel team, I heard from firefighters they were very seldom used in the capacity.

[amosfella]

Originally Posted by Trapperdylan

I wonder when Danielle Smith will call the feds for some assistance. Its been called an emergency and she thinks we can keep all 30 some odd out of control fires, under control, doubtful in these conditions. 25thousand albertans evacuated and yet no call for help from the feds for some extra water bombers. But hey it's the lefties fault cause they must've started them... very logical

I'd bet that there's strings attached to that assistance. Strings pushing into provincial legal jurisdiction.

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by jstubbs

They don’t need to when the mods comment on their threads in full agreeance.

For the record: I applaud and thank all of you on the moderating team for doing a relatively thankless volunteer position. Yourself included Trochu. Just pointing out some inconsistencies as I see ‘em.

Fair enough.

Thanks.

[smitty9]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Costs have gone up, and someone has to pay. And why have costs gone up, because of inflation and the carbon tax, which has in itself caused inflation. A huge part of the rise in inflation, is due to the federal government printing more and more money, and giving it away to other countries and their friends, as well as for stupid politically correct programs that we can't afford. And the ndp supports all of the printing of money, and giving it to other countries, and to their friends, and these useless programs and studies. So when costs go up, either someone has to make up the difference, or programs have to be cancelled, unless of course you are the liberals or ndp that just keep spending, and growing the debt, or adding taxes like the carbon tax, that just increases costs more.

The problem with your argument Elkhunter11, is that there is an incredible tendency to heap all blame onto the NDP gov't, when the reality is, Conservatives have been in charge of this province since 1971, save for the 2015-2019 period. That's 48 years. The GoA has had varying debt levels throughout all decades, except for a relatively brief respite during Klein years. (And I won't get into something called "infrastructure debt", but let's just say there's some good arguments to be made that may tarnish Ralph's legacy...)

Even the Fraser Institute won't shield UCP supporters from facts, plus another source:

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blog...t%20shortfalls.

https://calgaryherald.com/news/polit...in-2021-budget

Good thing I teach math and social for a living. Numbers don't lie. Honestly, the most "forgivable" depending on your values and beliefs, was any provincial support from Kenney and the UCP during the pandemic.

Bottom line; it's a perfectly reasonable assertion to say the NDP spent heavily during their years in office. But, please, lol, folks, let's not pretend the Conservatives aren't good at spending money, provincially and federally. The graphs tell all. History tells all. Numbers truly don't lie. Liberals and Conservatives both spend! Though, the current federal Liberal government is truly stupefying...quite concerning actually.

Smitty

Sidenote digression; the Republican Party in the US has taken the ol' 'Dems spend, we'll cut" trope to the very highest art form, when, in reality, until Biden, the US Republican presidents were very accomplished at exploding the US debt. Like, they were Van Gogh Rembrant masters at duping the voters. US spending on defence alone....takes your breath away.

[Trapperdylan]

Originally Posted by amosfella

I'd bet that there's strings attached to that assistance. Strings pushing into provincial legal jurisdiction.

Disaster Financial Assistance Arrangements (DFAA) program

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by smitty9

The problem with your argument Elkhunter11, is that there is an incredible tendency to heap all blame onto the NDP gov't, when the reality is, Conservatives have been in charge of this province since 1971, save for the 2015-2019 period. That's 48 years. The GoA has had varying debt levels throughout all decades, except for a relatively brief respite during Klein years. (And I won't get into something called "infrastructure debt", but let's just say there's some good arguments to be made that may tarnish Ralph's legacy...)

Even the Fraser Institute won't shield UCP supporters from facts, plus another source:

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blog...t%20shortfalls.

https://calgaryherald.com/news/polit...in-2021-budget

Good thing I teach math and social for a living. Numbers don't lie. Honestly, the most "forgivable" depending on your values and beliefs, was any provincial support from Kenney and the UCP during the pandemic.

Bottom line; it's a perfectly reasonable assertion to say the NDP spent heavily during their years in office. But, please, lol, folks, let's not pretend the Conservatives aren't good at spending money, provincially and federally. The graphs tell all. History tells all. Numbers truly don't lie. Liberals and Conservatives both spend! Though, the current federal Liberal government is truly stupefying...quite concerning actually.

Smitty

Sidenote digression; the Republican Party in the US has taken the ol' 'Dems spend, we'll cut" trope to the very highest art form, when, in reality, until Biden, the US Republican presidents were very accomplished at exploding the US debt. Like, they were Van Gogh Rembrant masters at duping the voters. US spending on defence alone....takes your breath away.

The liberal government and their stupifying spending, is only possible, because of the support of the ndp.

Now for the big question. Name one province that has flourished under an ndp government. Which provinces became "have" provinces under the ndp? Which provinces became "have " provinces after getting rid of the ndp?

[Trapperdylan]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The liberal government and their stupifying spending, is only possible, because of the support of the ndp.

Now for the big question. Name one province that has flourished under an ndp government. Which provinces became "have" provinces under the ndp? Which provinces became "have " provinces after getting rid of the ndp?

Kind of a silly question. NDP have never held power very long and as we all know government moves at a snails pace which can be considered good and bad.

Alberta floats on oil, when world market prices crash, alberta crashes. We would be a have not province if it weren't for the geographic fact we sit on oil regardless of who is in power.

[cody j]

Is freedom of speech and civilian firearms ownership important to NDP supporters?

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by smitty9

That is completely, totally, and utterly fair!

But Grizz, some here don't like to play in the sandbox of facts. Unfortunate but true. They simply want to name call with words like "witch", "communist", and do the misinformation and disinformation, broad paint brush, sweeping generalization thing. C'est la vie. It is both entertaining...then repetitious and boring. The only point is to remind some here that 4 million Albertans live outside the AOF bubble, and many are over the age of 18, can vote, and they may have differing values, beliefs, perspectives, and worldviews that inform their vote.

And shocking as it is, - and, trigger warning to some AOF members, guard your minds well, cause they may be blown - perfectly reasonable, thoughtful, intelligent, caring people are out their that don't vote UCP. Some of them are even your friends and family, lol.

I know, ...crazy, right?

I'm not going to delete your thread, your opinion is no more wrong or obnoxious then many others here. But without question, the whole point of this thread is to troll, and you are obviously taking great delight in it. Maybe sometime over the next 30 days, review the rules, specifically regarding trolling, and making overt or covert insulting comments to specific members, mods, or the membership in general.

Subtle trolling is bad enough, but flinging it in our faces and *daring* us to do anything about it, so you can then say 'SEE!'....pitiful.

Challenge accepted.