I think it's time to fight back

[nube]

I think we should fight back. Sue these animal rights activists for telling lies and misleading people.
http://globalnews.ca/news/2571423/co...-canada-goose/

[parfleche]

nube
Where is the F&W on this ? where are the Vegreville specialists ? Animals chewing their feet off? Have yet to see this ! Wring outs YES chew outs NO . Proof I want pictorial proof , Not from 1942 but from right now 2016 !
AND lets hear some suggestions BY the antis on how to NOT have by-catch , and losses .
Lets hear what they would do to control this ?
Lets hear how much money for research from such concerned groups is given to the betterment of harvesting fur ?
Money talks and B>S walks! No solution then no one gives a hoot ! Empty rhetoric from hot air groups !

[6mm rem]

There is no reasoning with them , their heads are in the clouds and only a Louisville slugger could straighten them out. I disturbing how many sheeple buy that BS!

[C & C]

Originally Posted by 6mm rem

There is no reasoning with them , their heads are in the clouds and only a Louisville slugger could straighten them out. I disturbing how many sheeple buy that BS!

This, it will be like trying to fight a fire with gas. All they have to do is show one dead animal and a large portion of the population will scream murder. Won't even matter if it died beside a trap due to old age its all the ammo the need.

You can even see it on the forum from people who only hunt. They speak negatively of trapping and would probably join the anti's. You would need pretty much unlimited resources and time to fight it.

[KegRiver]

It's a tempting proposition but we can't afford to fight them.

If we had billionaire celebrities supporting us we might have a chance but honestly guys, none of us are rolling in cash, the animal rights freaks are.


The best chance we have is if someone could catch an animal rights group torturing an animal in order to fabricate evidence against us. I have no doubt it happens, in fact I believe it happens a lot. But to prove it would be very very difficult and even if we could catch them in the act, they might gain support for doing such a thing.
Their rank and file members clearly believe in doing whatever it takes, legal or illegal.
And they clearly don't care about animals. They have a very profitable business going and they will do whatever it takes to preserve that income.

We could win a court battle and loose in the court of public opinion.

I think the best chance we have is to not engage them directly. Give them nothing to fight.

Instead, we educate the public a little at a time.
Be careful what photos we post, think about why we trap and hunt, and be ready with a clear answer if we are ever asked.

Most of all, don't support the idiots among us. Let it be know that poaching is unacceptable, careless shots are unacceptable, breaking the law is unacceptable.

I have to say, I think we do pretty well on those points as it is, but we could do better.

[parfleche]

Right on Keg,
I believe we have to start making this a point at our local trappers meetings every time . We have to come up with ideas , on how to combat this as a group . One on one is a no brainer . but if we pool our ideas together and get with our executive on how to go about this along with legal opinions , I,m sure we have lawyers in our group who could contribute to this ? And only let the one voice speak for us all . we don,t need from the hip rhetoric that could bite us in the area 51 !
We have to find their soft spot,
everybody has one !
Like who is funding their money to fight us ?
Perhaps these are individuals or corporations that use third world labor to manufacture products?
Sometimes these entities have BIG secrets hidden in their closets !

[jawa]

Some good advice on pictures and projecting an image keg, But i disagree on speaking out sometimes you have to holler loud to be herd
If you dont speak out everyone will assume your wrong
I support the ATA i buy my membership every year realizing this is a small very underfunded group most of whom volunteer they do a lot for trapping i find it very frustrating that they do not speak louder call a spade a spade instead of taking the politically correct rout. Anties tree huggers nutbars have no problem shouting loud , lying , and using decite to manipulate people i think its time the ATA changed and fights fire with fire
Up my fees , ask for a cash donation for advertising will do what i can to help something has to be done

[drake]

Coyote lots at auction are filtered by quality color and clarity not the location caught. "Humane" trapping standards vary between provinces and states.

[nube]

I hate to say it and it is not fair to people that do not have a trapping license but I think these forums maybe need to have your trappers license number to be a member? That would weed out a lot of the issues I would think. The antis got to take a course to get their license if they want to fake their way through it all. Just a thought....

[HunterDave]

The http://www.animaljustice.ca/ that brought this issue forward are not anti-trapping per say, they are a group of lawyers that challenge the laws of the land on behalf of all animals for animal rights. This Canada Goose challenge was just a blip on their radar and hardly worth getting our panties in a bunch. If you visit their website you'll see that they have challenged everything from farm animals to killer whales in captivity to puppy mills.

I agree with Keg. I don't think that trappers and trapping are the target of this group and it would be a mistake to make ourselves one with them. Besides, look at how few comments follow the article, no one really cares too much and there's little to no interest in the story.

[antlercarver]

Here is fuel for the antis
685 sq kilometres of prime river front animal habitat lost=Edmonton
825 sq kilometres of beautiful prairie habitat lost in Calgary
1000s more where the antis live and grow their granola fields

[philintheblank]

Originally Posted by antlercarver

Here is fuel for the antis
685 sq kilometres of prime river front animal habitat lost=Edmonton
825 sq kilometres of beautiful prairie habitat lost in Calgary
1000s more where the antis live and grow their granola fields

I have used that on anti's before, but it does not compute with their narrow sighted view of the world

"what do you mean I am part of the problem, the city was here way before I was even born"

somehow habitat loss from commercial agriculture or residential development isn't a big deal when they are focused on the "barbaric" trappers harvesting some coyotes.

[fish_e_o]

“Predators are really important for maintaining ecosystems,” said Rutledge from Princeton, B.C.

right, that's why they're doing culls to maintain caribou populations

[DiabeticKripple]

How many of you guys use leg holds? I don't see it mentioned much on here but I always see it in the news. I feel like 90% use snares that kill quickly.

[st99]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

How many of you guys use leg holds? I don't see it mentioned much on here but I always see it in the news. I feel like 90% use snares that kill quickly.

What antis conveniently choose to ignore, the leg hold traps that trappers use, are the same traps that biologists use for catch and release. If it would damage and injure animals that bad (as they say), why would biologists use them?

[HunterDave]

The next time someone starts stating how cruel and inhumane foot hold traps are, show them this video of a young lady putting her hand in a couple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcihqyDRgQA

[drake]

we as Albert Trappers need to stop fighting from a reactive position....more proactive measures need to be taken to sway the public perception on trapping. The time is now! The ATA should be aligning a campaign with the "eat local/self sufficient/sustainable/traditionalist" movement that's popular right now. We cant do it alone, we need to find champions in other segments of the public.

[buck]

like with hunting fushing and trapping laws are different Canada
wide and one group don't think the other group should have something
different from them hounds men do t like snaring etc but in all reality
the different a ways shouldn't matter we are all outdoorsmen and should have
a Canadian sight or forum that country wide can discuss things we as outdoorsmen should support all provinces in any issues that affect the possibility of losing rights we then would have a massive voice in any issues that would benefit all outdoors men but it won't happen with all the bickering over the different types or methods we each use just look at the different arguments on the forum in different topics regarding different methods here this winter it would be nice for a larger voice when needed though and it may help educate some of the general public

[KegRiver]

Leg hold traps are easy to misrepresent which is why they are targeted.

I have never met an anti who cared about truth, and there in lies the problem.
Putting out the truth has little effect when the enemy is putting out sensational lies. People want to believe the worst, not the best.

Everything you guys are saying about leg hold traps is true, they are not the tool of choice, they don't do the sort of damage the antis claim and they are approved and used by biologists ext. But the antis know that. Still they put out their lies.

That is why I won't engage them directly. I engage their audience, the uninformed public. And only when there are no antis around to counter with their lies. When that's the case, the loudest, most sensational claims are the ones believed every time. That makes such efforts counter productive and I'm not into wasting my time.

[6.5swedeforelk]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

How many of you guys use leg holds? I don't see it mentioned much on here but I always see it in the news. I feel like 90% use snares that kill quickly.

DK, I use FOOT holds for wolves.

As footholds are now regulated with offset jaws (free space between jaws),thick laminated jaws so as not to cut, center chained for a straight pull, short anchored or tethered to a drag.

I had just caught a coyote in a wolf set, near the end of the check-time limit.The animal's ears were up & he was eying the trap.

The wrist was scuffed with a worn line in the fur, but the skin wasn't broken.

I took pics that I will PM to any trapper.

[6.5swedeforelk]

Originally Posted by jawa

Some good advice on pictures and projecting an image keg, But i disagree on speaking out sometimes you have to holler loud to be herd
If you dont speak out everyone will assume your wrong
I support the ATA i buy my membership every year realizing this is a small very underfunded group most of whom volunteer they do a lot for trapping i find it very frustrating that they do not speak louder call a spade a spade instead of taking the politically correct rout. Anties tree huggers nutbars have no problem shouting loud , lying , and using decite to manipulate people i think its time the ATA changed and fights fire with fire ...

It would be great to go toe to toe with the antis and win, Jawa.

But I believe that it can't be done that way.

They have unlimited funds that roll in with each poor-taste (or staged) picture of expired wildlife.

I think there even has been some anti's mining on here for ammo.