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09-14-2018, 08:39 AM
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This is one reason I don't watch these mining shows just imagine the damage your doing to all this pristine country and then leaving it
Former 'Yukon Gold' TV star fined $145K for leaving big mess at mining claim
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north...ined-1.4342786
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09-14-2018, 08:48 AM
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the other day Beets was found guilty of illegally killing black bears. 4 I believe.
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09-14-2018, 08:51 AM
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Yes I read that too
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09-14-2018, 09:50 AM
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yukon gold
I agree the boys must clean-up their mining sites after processing material for gold recovery. Beets has lots of $$$ so should be able to pay his fines. Foy however has never recovered much gold or made any money. He should find another line of work.
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09-14-2018, 12:57 PM
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Mining has been changing the landscape in the Yukon for 100 years. And there are reclamation regulations in place.
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09-15-2018, 10:43 AM
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Mining has been changing the landscape in the Yukon for 100 years. And there are reclamation regulations in place.
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Right , and what does the article say/imply.
Just because regulations are in place doesnt mean they are being followed now does it ?
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09-15-2018, 10:59 AM
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There was a study not too long ago quoting how much tax payer dollars would cost for cleaning up abandon oil leases in Alberta, it was staggering.
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09-15-2018, 11:09 AM
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Is his company bankrupt?
Maybe they have to do what they do for tires. Pay for the environmental disposal fees upfront. That way. If the money is managed. It should be there for the cleanup at the end!
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09-15-2018, 01:11 PM
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I read somewhere that he Yukon government thinks it may cost a million or more to clean up Ken Foy's mess. So that is taxpayers money. Not good.
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09-15-2018, 01:36 PM
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Should take the producers of the show to court if possible.
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09-15-2018, 06:26 PM
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Should take the producers of the show to court if possible.
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Why?
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09-15-2018, 06:31 PM
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Why?
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I never watch the show, so am uninformed. I said "if possible", meaning if they shared in the responsibility.
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09-15-2018, 06:34 PM
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I never watch the show, so am uninformed. I said "if possible", meaning if they shared in the responsibility.
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I believe they are actual and established miners. It would seem they are there just to film. If it’s the production crews mess then yes. Charge them. If not, let them be. Entertaining show.
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09-15-2018, 07:05 PM
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My brother in law was on an episode or two. Worked his ass off for the first year. Equipment rentals etc. etc. Made 60k when all was said and done. Not sure how he made out his second year. Fun stuff.
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09-15-2018, 07:06 PM
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I believe they are actual and established miners. It would seem they are there just to film. If it’s the production crews mess then yes. Charge them. If not, let them be. Entertaining show.
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Established Miners, yes. Bankrolled by the shows, most defiantly. Not to the extent of Gold Rush mind you, but they get paid for the filming. Guaranteed that contracts absolve the production company's from any liability.
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09-15-2018, 07:08 PM
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Established Miners, yes. Bankrolled by the shows, most defiantly. Not to the extent of Gold Rush mind you, but they get paid for the filming. Guaranteed that contracts absolve the production company's from any liability.
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Agreed.
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09-15-2018, 09:08 PM
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Seemed every season he lost money or barely broke even. Doesn’t surprise me.
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09-15-2018, 09:17 PM
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Here you get a fine for crossing a creek on your quad, there they are running oil leaking equipment up and down those drainages. There might be regulations in place but they must be pretty relaxed.
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09-15-2018, 10:14 PM
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I’m not what you’d call a big fan but I watch occasionally and as both an avid flyfisher with a background in oilfield and log haul road construction, I’ve often wondered how they get away with the irreparable destruction they do to watercourses?Seems like a crime against nature the mess they make imho.
They’d never get away with that anywhere else,jeezus ya need a zillion permits and environmental studies to put a bloody culvert in for a seasonal trickle here in most cases.
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Here you get a fine for crossing a creek on your quad, there they are running oil leaking equipment up and down those drainages. There might be regulations in place but they must be pretty relaxed.
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Eggzakly!!
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09-15-2018, 10:24 PM
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Most of those “reality” shows are a joke anyway,they MUST get paid a ton to have film crews under their feet all the time and re-takes and phoney nonsense.
As a former commercial fisher and long time trucker Imho the only show that’s worth a damn for reality is Deadliest Catch,and even it gets a bit foolish and phoney with drama sometimes.
Ice Road Truckers is the worst,what a phony buncha tards and overdramatic narrating,we watch that in logging camp both as a comedy hour and a training video on how NOT TO drive off-road,lmfao!!😂😝
It’s kinda like a train wreck though,ya don’t want to watch but can’t help yourself,if only to see what carnage and stupid chit is gonna happen next,lolol
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09-15-2018, 11:26 PM
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I really only watch the show to see Beets implode and the gold count at the end. An hour program takes about 7 minutes with a PVR.
Everywhere we live and travel was once pristine. How many trillion hectares have been changed in North America and all over the Planet by human hands? When it is seen on TV it is a tragedy? Sounds like NIMBY rhetoric.
Lol.
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09-17-2018, 02:44 PM
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I sometimes watch Gold Rush. Much of what they are mining is property that was formerly mined 75 or more years before. So it is not virgin territory. They should still have to cleanup, but don't acting as if it is pristine river bottom.
Most importantly would be to not discharge dirty water to a fish bearing river. DOF can levy huge fines.
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09-17-2018, 02:50 PM
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Yeah I get a kick out of the reforestation north of my hometown McMurray.
Stunted trees replanted 30 years ago with only what amounts to 10 years growth. Progress comes with a price...
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09-17-2018, 05:44 PM
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Just back from there Placer mining is a messy environmentally destructive process no doubt about it. Article in the Whitehorse Star, Sept. 10, about a miner being fined 4,500. for several charges relating to allowing oil to leak out of a dismantled bulldozer. Seems a pittance. Yukon is built on mining and they never forget it. You never get to see the scope of the environmental damage on those Reality shows.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north...fine-1.4810540
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Biggest problem is real gold nuggets were taken out of Yukon in late 1800's. Now they are moving lot of material for very little pay. Not enough $$$ left after repairing equipment, paying for high cost fuel and wages to do any quality reclamation.
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09-18-2018, 03:40 PM
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Biggest problem is real gold nuggets were taken out of Yukon in late 1800's. Now they are moving lot of material for very little pay. Not enough $$$ left after repairing equipment, paying for high cost fuel and wages to do any quality reclamation.
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Guy I ran into, obviously one of the bigger operators, claimed they took 6000 ounces, between three camps, last season. They're working at bedrock level and you've got to move a lot of overburden to get there.
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09-21-2018, 01:25 PM
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mining
My observation - I spent two weeks in the Yukon and Northern BC earlier this month. I reflected several times on the damage to the landscape that has gone on for the last 120 years up there. The dredge tailings are easy to spot and I imagine that most drainages have been completely turned upside down, probably more than once each. I think the reasons it goes on is in large part that there is nobody there to see it. Yukon only has 38,000 people and 28,000 of them are in Whitehorse.
I am a fan of the show Yukon Gold (I think its off air now). I watch Gold Rush sometimes and this trip I saw Tony Beets coming off the ferry with some equipment in Dawson. Was kinda neat seeing the guys with cameras following him around.
That said, beautiful country and I cant wait to spend more time up there some day.
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09-21-2018, 08:11 PM
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Seemed every season he lost money or barely broke even. Doesn’t surprise me.
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09-22-2018, 01:15 PM
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the other day Beets was found guilty of illegally killing black bears. 4 I believe.
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He was also convicted of pouring gas onto a dredge pond and lighting it, known as a Viking babtism.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north...nced-1.4263463
He was also convicted of moving multiple heavy loads either without a permit or out of season, can't recall and can't find a link to that one. It happened when he was moving the second dredge. He even admitted during the show he knew it was illegal, but did it anyways and filmed it, what a dummy.
He dosent seem to think rules and laws apply to him.
On a positive note we won't have to watch Todd Hoffman this coming season, he gave up gold mining to be a musician. That guy couldn't find gold in a jewelry store
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