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Old 06-22-2017, 12:00 AM
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First off, I have to say I understand mental illness.... or at least the reality of it.

A little over a week ago one of my sons best friends Dad committed suicide.


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We weren't best friends by any means, but with our sons being friends, and really close/best friends, we spent a fair bit of time together. We were only a couple years apart so we were both on the same level. A couple years back him and his wife separated, I never got into it, never questioned it, just accepted the new arrangement.

From the outside it did seem she was moving on and dealing with the separation a little better than he was, but I wasn't really looking into it too deeply.

Last Saturday my son and his buddy were hanging out here at our house with another friend and all seemed business as usual. Tuesday comes along and my son shows me a post on instagram from his friend saying how the funeral was today and how he wishesd his Dad knew how he looked in his eyes, what a great father he was, how much he meant to him, and that there was so many other ways to move on with his life rather than committing suicide.

A 15yr old boy, a 17yr old sister, both left to deal with the reality of their father committing suicide. My heart is aching thinking about what the father was going through, but even more so what those kids have to deal with now, and for the rest of their lives.

The young fella was over again tonight, I don't dare bring it up, I'm just pretending it's just another day even though I know it's not. I've told my son to be there for him, but not to bring it up. I told my son if he wants to talk about it he will, but is this the right advice? Is this the same logic that let things get so far for his Dad that he took his own life?

I don't know

If there is anyone reading this right now and have thought about or are thinking about suicide...... DON'T DO IT. It may seem like the easiest way out, but you tear up the people who love you, so many more than you can imagine. This fella wasn't in my day to day circle, but we spent a few outings together and I miss him dearly. If you can see the look on this young boys face, see the hurt in his eyes, I guarantee it's not something you would wish on an enemy, let alone the ones you love. Nothing is worth a life. If sh!t is going bad today, there is always a way to straighten it out and I GUARANTEE that in time you will be happy and looking back on that time of your life as an experience that made you stronger.

Please, if you're going through hell, keep going because there will be a better day ahead. Suicide may seem like solution to your problems, but it will destroy the ones who love you.
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Old 06-22-2017, 12:12 AM
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Good post. I still remember when a friend of ours down the block found his dad hanging in the basement. He would have been around 15 years old at the time. Can't even begin to imagine how that would haunt you for life.
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[QUOTE=Kurt505;3568505]First off, I have to say I understand mental illness.... or at least the reality of it.

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Yah right
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What the hell are you trying to get across?
Nothing ... but the fact that nobody understand's mental illness ...lot's of guesses but no real understanding ... of the anguesh each individual goes through and why .
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Old 06-22-2017, 03:31 AM
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I was 16 when my good friends dad killed himself. It was a terribly sad thing. That was 15 years ago and I can honestly say that it is still something I think about to this day.

He was a great dad, we all loved going over to his house. He ran a diving company outside Nanaimo and he always seemed so happy to those that knew him. It was a complete shock when it happened. At least for most of us.

I can only speak about my own experiences and looking back now I think I would have gone about it in a different way. We gave our condolences. We went to the funeral and we tried to make like as normal as possible for our good friend. I think its hard for boys to communicate. I think its very hard for young male teenagers to show emotional support. It something that is tragically lacking in our society today. Men are supposed to be strong and always tough

Maybe being married over the last 5 years and having 2 children of my own have altered my perspective on how a man should be and act.

I can be a strong man and still cry and still show emotion. Someone who shows emotion is not weak. In fact I think now its the opposite. We all have feelings but it takes a real person to show them.

What I am trying to say is, I wish I talked to my friend about it. I wish we discussed his fathers suicide. Or at the very least made more of an attempt. He always knew we were there for him but I think I could have done more. I should have done more. I was too scared to talk to him about it that I don't think he ever really had the chance to grieve the way he should.

We are all different and we all handle things like this differently. If this is your sons close friend then he will know what to do. Just tell him to follow his instincts.

Perhaps next time you see him you can do the same? It might be hard as hell. I know it would be. I could feel the pain in your post. It was powerful. Let that child know that your house is a safe house. For all you know, you may be the next father figure in his life.

I by no means am trying to tell you how to live your life or what to do. Hell I am only 31 I can only draw on my past experiences. Whatever you do it will be the right thing. It sounds like you have a great son.

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I try my best to understand other people's perspectives on this topic. Each person has their own theory on what a happy fulfilled life should be. Myself, I have never considered suicide as an option because I'm an opportunist

One of my earliest memory's that I clearly remember was my family getting together every weekend where they would play games, laugh and sing. I come from a very musical family and each person had an instrument of choice. The happy days for the clan were very vibrant indeed.

That all ended when my uncle hung himself. My mother was the lucky person to discover him unfortunately. At the age of six years old I still remember my grandmothers scream at the funeral as my uncle laid at rest in a baby blue suit, my boy, my boy....

After that my whole family changed and became very silent and somewhat distant for a time. My uncle left behind two boys both around ten years of age.

That whole side of my family is dead now except for my mother and an auntie I think... and of coarse my cousins and other siblings are still alive and doing well I guess. Me my brother and sister have been very successful in life, my two cousins on the other hand are reaching their fifties and both still live with their mother I do believe.

After telling such a story I guess one could see why suicide would not be an option for myself. I have seen real well what it does to the people that get left in the after math. My family always blamed my uncles wife so that was what I was lead to believe however wisdom has taught me it was my uncles fault for not taking charge of his life.

These days I'm busy trying to recreate what I once had and the wife and I are planning for another addition to our growing family soon

Get some help or talk to someone, the storms pass over and blue skies return eventually. Suicide is a horrible option if your considering it.

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When a person ends their life on their own term's ... except it and move on ... don't mourn and whine ... they chose the path and it is not your fault or anybody else's ... and maybe except that they do not have suffer any longer .

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This is a touchy subject but hits really close to me. I never can understand how someone can do that? I have had a few friends kill them self right out of high school or as a young adult, 4 of them all together!


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This is a touchy subject but hits really close to me. I never can understand how someone can do that? I have had a few friends kill them self right out of high school or as a young adult, 4 of them all together!


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Yes a very touchy subject ... an a perfectly worded answer on not being able to understand why people choose to end their life ... no one will ever understand a other person's reason's for suicide or how much pain they are really feeling .
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Old 06-22-2017, 08:28 AM
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I try my best to understand other people's perspectives on this topic. Each person has their own theory on what a happy fulfilled life should be. Myself, I have never considered suicide as an option because I'm an opportunist

One of my earliest memory's that I clearly remember was my family getting together every weekend where they would play games, laugh and sing. I come from a very musical family and each person had an instrument of choice. The happy days for the clan were very vibrant indeed.

That all ended when my uncle hung himself. My mother was the lucky person to discover him unfortunately. At the age of six years old I still remember my grandmothers scream at the funeral as my uncle laid at rest in a baby blue suit, my boy, my boy....

After that my whole family changed and became very silent and somewhat distant for a time. My uncle left behind two boys both around ten years of age.

That whole side of my family is dead now except for my mother and an auntie I think... and of coarse my cousins and other siblings are still alive and doing well I guess. Me my brother and sister have been very successful in life, my two cousins on the other hand are reaching their fifties and both still live with their mother I do believe.

After telling such a story I guess one could see why suicide would not be an option for myself. I have seen real well what it does to the people that get left in the after math. My family always blamed my uncles wife so that was what I was lead to believe however wisdom has taught me it was my uncles fault for not taking charge of his life.

These days I'm busy trying to recreate what I once had and the wife and I are planning for another addition to our growing family soon

Get some help or talk to someone, the storms pass over and blue skies return eventually. Suicide is a horrible option if your considering it.
You get it.

This post is about the ones left behind and how it can destroy their lives. It's about knowing there are always better options than suicide and bringing to light the fact that when someone commits suicide it does not end there, that's where the nightmare begins for your mother, your father, your sons, and your daughters, and all the ones who cared for you.

It's especially hard for men because they are supposed to be tough and suck it up, that's why the suicide rate among men is 10x what it is amongst women.

Men, if your are in a dark part of your life, don't hesitate to ask someone for a light. Even though you may want to end things, you don't want to destroy the ones who love you, so man up and ask for help instead of creating innocent victims.
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When a person ends their life on their own term's ... except it and move on ... don't mourn and whine ... they chose the path and it is not your fault or anybody else's ... and maybe except that they do not have suffer any longer .
Is that the advice you are giving to the guy's son? Move on. He ended his life on his terms. get over it. I'm not sure anything is on someone's terms when they have a mental illness.
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In this case the boys life is now torn apart. If I were you, I'd mention his dad in conversation often.
As time goes by people won't bring up the dad because of the awkward situation around his death but that may make the kid feel more alone in his pain. I'd share happy memories and just flat tell the kid, I sure missed your dad yesterday he was a good man.
If no one talks about the person who's gone it can make the kid feel like he's the only one who felt the loss. I would however avoid the topic of how and why dad died unless he brings that up.
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In this case the boys life is now torn apart. If I were you, I'd mention his dad in conversation often.
As time goes by people won't bring up the dad because of the awkward situation around his death but that may make the kid feel more alone in his pain. I'd share happy memories and just flat tell the kid, I sure missed your dad yesterday he was a good man.
If no one talks about the person who's gone it can make the kid feel like he's the only one who felt the loss. I would however avoid the topic of how and why dad died unless he brings that up.
Precisely. You may not be comfortable over it, but the kid could likely use an ear to bend. It's not unusual for a kid to think he's partly to blame from a suicide of a parent - and if nobody wants to talk about it...
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Is that the advice you are giving to the guy's son? Move on. He ended his life on his terms. get over it. I'm not sure anything is on someone's terms when they have a mental illness.
Yup ... accept that your loved one chose to end the suffering on their own term's ... and actually smile and give a high five because it take's alot of ball's to commit suicide .
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Rancid has good advice ^^^

When I was in grade six, on Christmas morning, after we had opened our gifts, my dad slipped away. Some time later, I noticed he wasn't around, and went looking for him. I found him after he had attempted to take his life. Thankfully, he was still alive. Later on, when he was in his late 40s, after the loss of his businesses, he was always threatening suicide to me. Shortly after, without elaborating, his life ended under very questionable circumstances. Through that time, I had only one friend who talked with me about it. Everyone else was silent. I always wondered why, when people knew my life was upside down, they'd never talk to me about it. Made me think the world was a pretty cold, and uncaring place.

Kurt, when that boy comes to your house, give him a great big hug. Tell him you have no idea what he is going through, but that your house is a place he can come and hang, talk, have fun, and cry. Tell him every nice thing you can possibly think of about his father. Tell him the world was a better place because of him, and he left behind two great kids as a reminder. Then, make sure that the next time, and the next time, and the next time he comes over, you greet him with a big old bear hug. The words won't be needed, but the hug always will. Trust me on this one.
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Yup ... accept that your loved one chose to end the suffering on their own term's ... and actually smile and give a high five because it take's alot of ball's to commit suicide .
Ahhhh... sarcasm. Man you are subtle. I missed it. Thought your comment seemed out of character.
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Ahhhh... sarcasm. Man you are subtle. I missed it. Thought your comment seemed out of character.
Sorry oki ... no sarcasm at all ... something missed in print ... very hard to convey in print ... another thread I should of just let roll by ... but just had to add my too cent's .
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Tough one Kurt, hope it works out ok for this young man.

If it were me, I would follow Rancids advice. Pretending all is the same is not good, let the kid know he has a ear to listen or shoulder to cry on in your home. He may need a independent voice of reason once the shock subsides and everyone moves back on with life and things get lonely & quiet. I don't like how sometimes a death means don't speak of that person. I know it's awkward at first but almost every time smiles come from remembering something fun.


I have done it in similar sad situations, offered person in question the same as above. Then I give a great big hug and say I am here for you. Some stiffen up like a board, some you can just feel that they needed that. Most have taken me up on the offer to talk later.

I see sns2 has offered the hug therapy as well. Nothing better than a hug when you need it
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I am so sorry for the loss of your friend. I as have far too many of us have lost friends to this terrible demon.
My best friend did the same a few years ago, and I am sad to say I was not shocked, as his brother did it many years ago.
The cycle has begun, the fear will be the son will take the same route.

Keep your chin up, be there for him and if you need anything, you call me anytime.

Deepest condolences to family and friends.
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It's especially hard for men because they are supposed to be tough and suck it up, that's why the suicide rate among men is 10x what it is amongst women. you say this

men, if your are in a dark part of your life, don't hesitate to ask someone for a light. Even though you may want to end things, you don't want to destroy the ones who love you, so man up and ask for help instead of creating innocent victims.and then say this = stupid comment
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first off, i have to say i understand mental illness.... Or at least the reality of it.
Your posts prove that you dont understand. You are better off shutting up.

It is a mental illness, the brain is not processing properly. Victims dont factor in when it gets bad. If they thought it was going to get better, they would not choose the route they did.
Instead of laying the blame on them and adding to their list of problems.
Try helping them, most importantly by listening. You will help more by being there and keeping your mouth shut than telling them crap they have already gone through and considered.

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From the inside..
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http ://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=203465&highlight=Christmas+police . My mother tried, I tried.

Eventually, my mother drank herself to death. I drank myself stupid.

When you hit bottom, sometimes getting back up just isn't an option. Those that haven't bottomed out, can't understand why.
After 20 years of depression, treated with alcohol, my brother used a 12 guage to end his life. I always expected suicide by cop. Honestly didn't think he had the balls. Honestly that final step is very tough to do. That's why I'm alive today.

To the OP, don't leave it up to your son, it will take him down too. He likely knew the father better than you did. He too needs help now. Nothing that you can do very well. Take them out to nature and let them unwind and forget for the day. If you want, message me, and I will take you all out panning.

This is nothing that can be erased over night. Pretending it's over makes it worse. That kid needs to explode and release it
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Your posts prove that you dont understand. You are better off shutting up.

It is a mental illness, the brain is not processing properly. Victims dont factor in when it gets bad. If they thought it was going to get better, they would not choose the route they did.
Instead of laying the blame on them and adding to their list of problems.
Try helping them, most importantly by listening. You will help more by being there and keeping your mouth shut than telling them crap they have already gone through and considered.

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If nobody is talking about it, HOW THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO LISTEN TO THEM!!!!

You don't get it. The point I'm trying to make is TO TALK ABOUT IT AND NOT HOLD IT INSIDE!!!


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If nobody is talking about it, HOW THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO LISTEN TO THEM!!!!

You don't get it. The point I'm trying to make is TO TALK ABOUT IT AND NOT HOLD IT INSIDE!!!


Maybe you can take a bit of your own advise.
You have added many guilt factors, WHO will open up to that.
Who will want to talk about this when told to MAN UP, YOU ARE BEING SELFISH TO YOUR FAMILY when the weight of the world is already on their shoulders.
There is a stigma to opening up due to statements like yours. You tell them you are there for them and listen to understand, not to hear.
I have been dealing with loved ones that suffer from depression and under the constant possibility of suicide for 25 years and I have learned a ton.
Someone said in a previous post no one can understand what they think and feel. That is not true if you listen and it will break your damn heart.
STOP JUDGING, that is what you are doing and eventually people that suffer from this illness will feel safe to talk about it.
A family member told her mother about her thoughts of suicide. Mother brushed it aside and told her freinds to watch out for her. 15 year olds dont know how to deal with this. She was avoided and things got akward real quick. She had to apologize to her freinds and tell them things were OK and bury her feelings before it got bearable again. It stayed burried for a long time but it boiled over real quick when the hardships of adult life hit.

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If nobody is talking about it, HOW THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO LISTEN TO THEM!!!!

You don't get it. The point I'm trying to make is TO TALK ABOUT IT AND NOT HOLD IT INSIDE!!!


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You have added many guilt factors, WHO will open up to that.
Who will want to talk about this when told to MAN UP, YOU ARE BEING SELFISH TO YOUR FAMILY when the weight of the world is already on their shoulders.
There is a stigma to opening up due to statements like yours. You tell them you are there for them and listen to understand, not to hear.
I have been dealing with loved ones that suffer from depression and under the constant possibility of suicide for 25 years and I have learned a ton.
Someone said in a previous post no one can understand what they think and feel. That is not true if you listen and it will break your damn heart.
STOP JUDGING, that is what you are doing and eventually people that suffer from this illness will feel safe to talk about it.
A family member told her mother about her thoughts of suicide. Mother brushed it aside and told her freinds to watch out for her. 15 year olds dont know how to deal with this. She was avoided and things got akward real quick. She had to apologize to her freinds and tell them things were OK and bury her feelings before it got bearable again. It stayed burried for a long time but it boiled over real quick when the hardships of adult life hit.

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You don't know me, trust me, I know way more about mental illness then you can imagine.

AND, you still don't get it. People were waiting for him to open up about it, well that time never came because now he's dead without talking about it, I'm sure because it wasn't the "manly" thing to do. You seem to have a hard time comprehending what I wrote so I will make it as clear as possible for you and try to explain it again.

The point I am trying to get across is that talking about it and dealing with isn't a sign of weakness, it's the opposite.

I'M NOT JUDGING ANYONE. I am trying to let them know that talking about will not only help them, but will help all those that love them.
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AND, you still don't get it. People were waiting for him to open up about it, well that time never came because now he's dead without talking about it, I'm sure because it wasn't the "manly" thing to do.
So, did you suspect the man was suicidal? Suspected he was having deep issues - but waited for him to come talk to you? Why would he do that?

Grab some beer, go talk to him. But it's too late now.
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So, did you suspect the man was suicidal? Suspected he was having deep issues - but waited for him to come talk to you? Why would he do that?

Grab some beer, go talk to him. But it's too late now.
Never suspected, never saw it coming at all. As far as I know nobody saw it coming.
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Never suspected, never saw it coming at all. As far as I know nobody saw it coming.
Ok. I'm confused. You stated people were waiting for him to open up - but nobody seen it coming.
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Some people like life ... some hate it and choose to end it ... nuff said .
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