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11-18-2019, 07:01 PM
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Mangy deer?! What do I do?
Shot this mule tonight and he looks like he has mange. I've never seen this on a deer before, it's mostly on his face.
Does it look like mange? Would it be safe to eat. Kind of gross TBH.
What should I do?
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11-18-2019, 07:55 PM
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Is that it?
I wouldn't give it a second thought.
Phone a fish cop or biologist though to rest easy. If they say it's risky then give it to your inlaws 
BTW, nice deer man!
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11-18-2019, 07:57 PM
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Never seen that before but I would try to contact someone with knowledge regarding deer sickness before eating that one
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11-18-2019, 08:01 PM
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could be scarring, doesn't look too bad.
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11-18-2019, 08:17 PM
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Butcher it up, I'm sure the meat is fine.
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11-18-2019, 08:23 PM
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I would submit the head for cwd testing, perhaps wait for the results before eating it, it could be something as simple as scarring or an injury if it is strictly in the face, if it is anywhere else it may have ringworm in which case I’d make sure all you stuff is clean, not sure how it transmits. It never hurts to have someone with more knowledge take a look, a few years ago a friend shot a deer that was missing fur all up one leg and starting on another, the f&w officer gave us the option of keeping it or he’d get rid of it and reissue the tag
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11-18-2019, 08:52 PM
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That’s not mange, that is rubbed as if he were rubbing it on a tree or maybe from fighting.
I wouldn’t worry about it but maybe send the head in for testing just for ease of mind.
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11-18-2019, 08:57 PM
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You should have passed on that one, and taken one with smaller antlers, and a prettier face.
Is it just the face? My completely uneducated opinion is that if it's only on the face, it's probably from an injury, or frostbite. I would assume disease or parasites or something would also affect more of the body maybe?
Or maybe it put so much effort into growing those antlers, it didn't have the energy to grow good face fur. (That's what I would go with)
Nice mulie either way.
Congrats.
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11-18-2019, 10:37 PM
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I agree with Dave on this one. Looks rubbed to me.
Definitally not mange.
My guess, he was trying to rub his antlers and missed a few times.
Probibly not a lot of good saplings for him to rub on.
Too many forks on what's available to him.
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11-18-2019, 11:42 PM
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Could be he liked rubbing on a sappy spruce tree. When you saw the deer was he walking with his head up or down? Head down while walking could indicate a sick deer. Send a pic to a F&W biologist or vet for an opinion.
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11-19-2019, 12:05 AM
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Nope
Thats not mange, lol, or CWD. Thats a nice buck. Nothing wrong with it sir.
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11-19-2019, 05:29 AM
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Its fine . That buck was simply trying to avoid being a wall mount by rubbing the hair off his face 
Looks like it backfired tho  Nice buck
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11-19-2019, 08:36 AM
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Thats not mange, lol, or CWD. Thats a nice buck. Nothing wrong with it sir.
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Do deer even get mange ?
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11-19-2019, 11:28 AM
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Do deer even get mange ?
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Google says it’s very rare but WT’s have been known to get it.
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11-19-2019, 11:54 AM
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The guys that say it is rub are correct. That is a large, dominant buck, he will have been marking his territory extensively. It could be from rubbing on brush while making his scrape line or it could be from fighting or a combination of the two. Mange would never show up on the face of an animal first.
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11-19-2019, 12:02 PM
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Do deer even get mange ?
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It appears as though they can become infected with mange but mange can not live for long on animals other then members of the dog family.
Humans can also become infected but it only lasts a couple of weeks on us.
As I understand it, at some point in their life cycle the mite needs a specific type of hair to hold on to and only members of the dog family have that type of hair.
So they can live on any animal for a short time but they can't reproduce succesfully on anything other then dog species.
Bottom line is that animals other then dog species can become infected but it never progresses to the point where that animal looses patches of hair.
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11-19-2019, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Dean2
The guys that say it is rub are correct. That is a large, dominant buck, he will have been marking his territory extensively. It could be from rubbing on brush while making his scrape line or it could be from fighting or a combination of the two. Mange would never show up on the face of an animal first.
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Thanks for all the input guys.
I think I am leaning this way also, The area that the bucks have been rubbing is mostly brush. I'm sure it will still make for good eating.
Everything else looked good besides the size of the deer was way too big while having to pack it out of the coulee in the dark. Not having a decent light and just a small day pack didn't help much. Wasn't planning to shoot one that far back last night.
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11-19-2019, 01:08 PM
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That buck has Demodectic mange.
Blackened skin, some hair regrowth within the affected area and at margins.
He's had this for a while, definitely before his stripped the velvet from his antlers.
His face also probably had a unusual foul smell.
No issues with the meat.
Just be sure to disinfect or throw away any clothing that made contact with the hide of that animal, such as those gloves and sweater.
Nearly guaranteed they are carrying those mites now....
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11-19-2019, 01:19 PM
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In the second and third picture just up from the stick is that a tick? Perhaps he's been rubbing his face off to get rid of them... this is pure speculation
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11-19-2019, 01:44 PM
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Mangy deer
Submit the head for testing, but to me it looks like scarring from fighting or some other injury. European mount him and be proud. I’m sure the meat will not be affected.
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11-19-2019, 03:47 PM
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Definitely not mange man that’s rubbing
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11-19-2019, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by HunterDave
That’s not mange, that is rubbed as if he were rubbing it on a tree or maybe from fighting.
I wouldn’t worry about it but maybe send the head in for testing just for ease of mind.
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11-19-2019, 05:20 PM
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Time to change thread title to: Wanted mule deer cape! Nice deer!
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11-19-2019, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by walking buffalo
That buck has Demodectic mange.
Blackened skin, some hair regrowth within the affected area and at margins.
He's had this for a while, definitely before his stripped the velvet from his antlers.
His face also probably had a unusual foul smell.
No issues with the meat.
Just be sure to disinfect or throw away any clothing that made contact with the hide of that animal, such as those gloves and sweater.
Nearly guaranteed they are carrying those mites now....
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Getting itchy after reading this. Made lots of contact on the hike out. Any tips for disinfecting?
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11-19-2019, 06:27 PM
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Getting itchy after reading this. Made lots of contact on the hike out. Any tips for disinfecting?
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11-19-2019, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by walking buffalo
That buck has Demodectic mange.
Blackened skin, some hair regrowth within the affected area and at margins.
He's had this for a while, definitely before his stripped the velvet from his antlers.
His face also probably had a unusual foul smell.
No issues with the meat.
Just be sure to disinfect or throw away any clothing that made contact with the hide of that animal, such as those gloves and sweater.
Nearly guaranteed they are carrying those mites now....
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I see the darkened skin but I don't see hair regrowth. What I do see appears to me to be hair that didn't get rubbed off.
Hair regrowth would be short and fuzzy I would imagine.
Not sure where you get that time line. The information I found indicates that there should be crusting of the skin in infestations that have been there for a while, I don't see that.
I'm not saying you are wrong, just that I don't see any supporting evidence beside the darkened skin and I know that a number of things can darken the skin, such as rubbing on alder or willow. Tannins in the bark can darken the skin.
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11-19-2019, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by HunterDave
That’s not mange, that is rubbed as if he were rubbing it on a tree or maybe from fighting.
I wouldn’t worry about it but maybe send the head in for testing just for ease of mind.
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11-19-2019, 11:00 PM
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This could be demodectic mange but......
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Originally Posted by walking buffalo
That buck has Demodectic mange.
Blackened skin, some hair regrowth within the affected area and at margins.
He's had this for a while, definitely before his stripped the velvet from his antlers.
His face also probably had a unusual foul smell.
No issues with the meat.
Just be sure to disinfect or throw away any clothing that made contact with the hide of that animal, such as those gloves and sweater.
Nearly guaranteed they are carrying those mites now....
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Walking Buffalo is correct. Demodectic mange has been detected in a few WTD in the USA over the years (see NM Nemeth et al. 2013 in the journal Veterinary Pathology. Think the yr was 2014. Also see J.C. Turner. 2008. Journal of Medical Entomology volume 45 issue 3 pages 572-575. Different types of mange discussed in Https://northeastwildlifeorg/diseases/mange-and-mites.
Whatever is involved here, does not appear serious and meat should be just fine. ticdoc
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11-20-2019, 02:03 AM
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Getting itchy after reading this. Made lots of contact on the hike out. Any tips for disinfecting?
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Relax dude, that’s not mange......lol. I’m a Trapper and I see mange all the time, albeit not on deer. First, you’d see mites in the infected area and the open running sores would stink like decaying flesh. That looks nothing like mange.
Here’s a theory. Have you ever seen a moose that has been invested with ticks? They rub their hair off against trees to get them off. It could be that the buck had some ticks on its face and rubbed them off.
Not mange, not even close. But better to burn all of your clothes just in case. 
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11-20-2019, 06:38 AM
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Not mange, not even close. But better to burn all of your clothes just in case. |
I was wondering about disinfecting myself. No way I'm gonna burn my prized wool camo or my wool knit sweater. We've been to hell and back multiple times together.
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