Camp Wainwright 2021

[Blink 181]

I was just wondering how the Camp Wainwright deer season is going this year. I got drawn for the antlered moose primitive season last year but of course(with my luck) all the hunts were cancelled. I had hoped to reapply this year but no elk or moose draws were available. It takes a long time to get this tag (I am now at priority 10--I think 8 is minimum) so I am hopeful for next season. The herd should be increasing with no hunts for 2 years.
Just out of curiosity I am wondering if anyone knows if First Nations members are allowed to hunt moose and elk on the base this year?

[LiegeRiver]

Originally Posted by Blink 181

I was just wondering how the Camp Wainwright deer season is going this year. I got drawn for the antlered moose primitive season last year but of course(with my luck) all the hunts were cancelled. I had hoped to reapply this year but no elk or moose draws were available. It takes a long time to get this tag (I am now at priority 10--I think 8 is minimum) so I am hopeful for next season. The herd should be increasing with no hunts for 2 years.
Just out of curiosity I am wondering if anyone knows if First Nations members are allowed to hunt moose and elk on the base this year?

Yes.

[mightybuck]

Of course and they shoot all of the big ones lol

[Snap Shot]

That’s a huge pile of bs right there…

[catnthehat]

Well, like it or not we are on the base by the good graces of the CAF base Comandant., and it is not considered a trophy hunt by any means,he or she wants to invite native hunters that is up to the Commandant no one else
Cat

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

Well, like it or not we are on the base by the good graces of the CAF base Comandant., and it is not considered a trophy hunt by any means,he or she wants to invite native hunters that is up to the Commandant no one else
Cat

Wainwright is not suffield
One is a textbook example of success
The other is worst example of ungulate mismanagement in the past 100 years

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

Wainwright is not suffield
One is a textbook example of success
The other is worst example of ungulate mismanagement in the past 100 years

I agree totally, but it is still up too each individual base commander to let certain hunters in, it is the big reason that Connaught has such and issue with deer and geese.
Cat

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

Wainwright is not suffield
One is a textbook example of success
The other is worst example of ungulate mismanagement in the past 100 years

Not only game management, but the staff at Wainwright does an excellent job at managing the hunts, I have been there a dozen times, and the hunts are organized and run smooth. I can't say the same for Suffield.

[Blink 181]

Thanks for the comments and info guys. I am not trying to find fault with the way the hunt is run in any way at Wainwright. i have been there 4 times now and had a great hunt each time. All the management there are very helpful and informative and the rules enforced are for the safety of all involved. I am just trying to get my head around the cancelling of draws for moose and elk hunts only. I get that it is to limit hunter numbers due to covid and the base commander doesn't have to allow any hunters in at all if he feels that is in his best interests so I will hope for the best next year. No need to question any decisions made and I also realize I can apply anywhere else I choose and use my muzzleloader also.
The experience and a chance to add meat to the freezer is what it is all about

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Not only game management, but the staff at Wainwright does an excellent job at managing the hunts, I have been there a dozen times, and the hunts are organized and run smooth. I can't say the same for Suffield.

Wainwright is run like a Swiss watch

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

Wainwright is run like a Swiss watch

I used to go down quite often back in the 80's and 90's.
It was always a good hunt for the guys I went down with. I think the last time was in 1995 .
Cat

[Snap Shot]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

Well, like it or not we are on the base by the good graces of the CAF base Comandant., and it is not considered a trophy hunt by any means,he or she wants to invite native hunters that is up to the Commandant no one else
Cat

Well if there is a closure of certain animals within that area. The same closures should be upheld to all, regardless of race or ethnicity.

Double standards don’t sit well…

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Snap Shot

Well if there is a closure of certain animals within that area. The same closures should be upheld to all, regardless of race or ethnicity.

Double standards don’t sit well…

That is not for the civilians to decide however.
Cat

[hal53]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

That is not for the civilians to decide however.
Cat

A number of years ago the hunt came within an eyelash of being cancelled permanently as the base commander at that time allowed a few " landowner" tags to be given out to serving military members ,a small, very small number of tags. The e-mails and phone calls the guy got from unsuccessful draw applicants whining about this ticked him off enough that he was going to cancel the whole thing. Thankfully cooler heads prevailed

[Snap Shot]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

That is not for the civilians to decide however.
Cat

This the first I have heard that tax payers (civilians) didn’t fund the department of national defence & the Canadian arm forces. Complete news to me…

[Snap Shot]

Originally Posted by hal53

A number of years ago the hunt came within an eyelash of being cancelled permanently as the base commander at that time allowed a few " landowner" tags to be given out to serving military members ,a small, very small number of tags. The e-mails and phone calls the guy got from unsuccessful draw applicants whining about this ticked him off enough that he was going to cancel the whole thing. Thankfully cooler heads prevailed

I was on the base at that time actually and it was weird as they where hunting in the closed section of the base at the time where as cat calls us “civilians” where not allowed in.
Don’t get me wrong it’s a well run hunt but giving special treatment is complete bs regardless of ethnicity or member of special forces/landowner. Keep things fair and there isn’t the division. Elk and moose are closed this year on the base should be completely fair across all playing fields.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Snap Shot

This the first I have heard that tax payers (civilians) didn’t fund the department of national defence & the Canadian arm forces. Complete news to me…

What does this have to do with a base commander allowing activities by civilians ( native white or green for that matter) on base?
It may not be "fair" but it does not concern those that make the access rules.
if the natives were in a closed area you can bet they were allowed in, period.
Cat

[Who Da Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Snap Shot

I was on the base at that time actually and it was weird as they where hunting in the closed section of the base at the time where as cat calls us “civilians” where not allowed in.
Don’t get me wrong it’s a well run hunt but giving special treatment is complete bs regardless of ethnicity or member of special forces/landowner. Keep things fair and there isn’t the division. Elk and moose are closed this year on the base should be completely fair across all playing fields.

Life is not fair.......

WDF

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by Snap Shot

I was on the base at that time actually and it was weird as they where hunting in the closed section of the base at the time where as cat calls us “civilians” where not allowed in.
Don’t get me wrong it’s a well run hunt but giving special treatment is complete bs regardless of ethnicity or member of special forces/landowner. Keep things fair and there isn’t the division. Elk and moose are closed this year on the base should be completely fair across all playing fields.

As far as I knew They weren’t allowed to hunt on the permanently closed areas
Personally I’d rather see the military guys get a chance through their own draw over people that get to hunt anywhere they want 24/7 365

[lmtada]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

Wainwright is run like a Swiss watch

Lol. More like poker ♥️ ♣️ rally. As soon time to clear the morning meeting. It’s rally time. Poor dark colour moose has no chance on those low tree heights. Boom 💥.

[Camdelle]

Originally Posted by Snap Shot

Well if there is a closure of certain animals within that area. The same closures should be upheld to all, regardless of race or ethnicity.

Double standards don’t sit well…

Yes I agree double standards do not sit well. Especially when you consider that all the wealth that is Canada comes from the land. Understand that all land in Canada below the depth of a plow belongs to Indigenous people and the Govt. Realize that And all resources in this country are supposed to be a 50/50 split between the government of Canada and Indigenous peoples by treaty. A treat is a LEGAL and BINDING agreement that our governments have never lived up to. In fact the Government of Canada owes Metis people 2.8 million acres of land alone. Unfortunately it is not just indigenous people but all people of Canada that have been ripped off by our government making sweetheart deals with big business. In the end indigenous peoples were given some of the worst lad in this country, have never been given the resource monies owed to them (or to the rest of the people of Canada) and they are constantly attacked and abused on their own land.

They have legal hunting rights by law. You really want to open that can of legal woop ass so you can take away more of their rights?

[Camdelle]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

As far as I knew They weren’t allowed to hunt on the permanently closed areas
Personally I’d rather see the military guys get a chance through their own draw over people that get to hunt anywhere they want 24/7 365

I was there as well when Indigenous hunters were poaching on the range. I am not exactly sure of what happened. It was no secret that they were up **** creek! I hope the ****heads lost their truck, their guns and their future hunting rights. I hope they got escorted off the base and were told to walk the **** home.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Camdelle

I was there as well when Indigenous hunters were poaching on the range. I am not exactly sure of what happened. It was no secret that they were up **** creek! I hope the ****heads lost their truck, their guns and their future hunting rights. I hope they got escorted off the base and were told to walk the **** home.

If they were in an out of bounds area withput permission I'm sure heads would roll, native or white .
Cat

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by Camdelle

I was there as well when Indigenous hunters were poaching on the range. I am not exactly sure of what happened. It was no secret that they were up **** creek! I hope the ****heads lost their truck, their guns and their future hunting rights. I hope they got escorted off the base and were told to walk the **** home.

If it was the ones who shot the 4-5 elk… the animals were confiscated and they received lifetime bans.

LC

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by Camdelle

Yes I agree double standards do not sit well. Especially when you consider that all the wealth that is Canada comes from the land. Understand that all land in Canada below the depth of a plow belongs to Indigenous people and the Govt. Realize that And all resources in this country are supposed to be a 50/50 split between the government of Canada and Indigenous peoples by treaty. A treat is a LEGAL and BINDING agreement that our governments have never lived up to. In fact the Government of Canada owes Metis people 2.8 million acres of land alone. Unfortunately it is not just indigenous people but all people of Canada that have been ripped off by our government making sweetheart deals with big business. In the end indigenous peoples were given some of the worst lad in this country, have never been given the resource monies owed to them (or to the rest of the people of Canada) and they are constantly attacked and abused on their own land.

They have legal hunting rights by law. You really want to open that can of legal woop ass so you can take away more of their rights?

No one race in Canada owns more than the next

The problem is the idea that because of the colour of your skin your entitled to different laws and different rights.

[calgarychef]

Originally Posted by Camdelle

Yes I agree double standards do not sit well. Especially when you consider that all the wealth that is Canada comes from the land. Understand that all land in Canada below the depth of a plow belongs to Indigenous people and the Govt. Realize that And all resources in this country are supposed to be a 50/50 split between the government of Canada and Indigenous peoples by treaty. A treat is a LEGAL and BINDING agreement that our governments have never lived up to. In fact the Government of Canada owes Metis people 2.8 million acres of land alone. Unfortunately it is not just indigenous people but all people of Canada that have been ripped off by our government making sweetheart deals with big business. In the end indigenous peoples were given some of the worst lad in this country, have never been given the resource monies owed to them (or to the rest of the people of Canada) and they are constantly attacked and abused on their own land.

They have legal hunting rights by law. You really want to open that can of legal woop ass so you can take away more of their rights?

Its 2021…. If folks want equal treatment on all fronts they need to be equal on all fronts. Wanting special rights and privileges based on skin colour is racist and doesn’t contribute to the notion of equality.

[Rhino81]

Originally Posted by Snap Shot

I was on the base at that time actually and it was weird as they where hunting in the closed section of the base at the time where as cat calls us “civilians” where not allowed in.
Don’t get me wrong it’s a well run hunt but giving special treatment is complete bs regardless of ethnicity or member of special forces/landowner. Keep things fair and there isn’t the division. Elk and moose are closed this year on the base should be completely fair across all playing fields.

my family owns a lot of prime deer hunting land in Alberta, I let lots of people hunt but your not going to be one of them. Not special treatment to the ones who can hunt. You just can’t. Sometimes life isn’t fair and with your attitude life is going to continue taking permission from you. Like I just did

[DiabeticKripple]

Originally Posted by Rhino81

my family owns a lot of prime deer hunting land in Alberta, I let lots of people hunt but your not going to be one of them. Not special treatment to the ones who can hunt. You just can’t. Sometimes life isn’t fair and with your attitude life is going to continue taking permission from you. Like I just did

i dont think his comments are offside at all.

Good thing theres piles of public land.

[Rhino81]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

i dont think his comments are offside at all.

Good thing theres piles of public land.

sure is

[220swifty]

Originally Posted by Snap Shot

This the first I have heard that tax payers (civilians) didn’t fund the department of national defence & the Canadian arm forces. Complete news to me…

You raise an interesting point….

I paid for a portion of that Leopard II and by god, if I want to touch a round off with the main gun, the military should let me!