Trapper Cabin

Big Grey Wolf · #1 03-11-2014, 03:17 PM

Guys, I was into Forestry/F & W yesterday to inquire about building a line cabin on our trapline. The senior lands officer indicated there are no longer MLP,s and now we have to get a DML. Just for the record we will need 2 engineers, one surveyor to pound stakes and draftsman to prepare the 12 copies of the site plan. The guide sheet he gave me has about 20 directives how to prepare proper site plan. The DML is same system used to apply for major gas plant. Is this now real, what happened to digging a pit adding a few logs then a sod roof?

antlercarver · #2 03-11-2014, 04:54 PM

Those rules MAY apply to a permanent structure, but if it is on skids
those rules MAY not apply. Hmmmm

braggadoe · #3 03-11-2014, 06:25 PM

in bc, you have to get an archaeologist to an archaeology study/dig of the area. to make sure nothing was ever there before. even after doing all the things you've mentioned, to get a new permit. but only after the local first nations approve. as they claim all the land. all most impossible to do for under 10 000$, even before you start building.

if you've got historical cabins that are unsafe/uninhabitable you can/might/should, just be able to burn, and rebuild.

jim summit · #4 03-11-2014, 06:43 PM

Wolf, how about if you don't want a lease, just build a cabin? Most line cabins up here do not have a lease. Soon as you make it a lease the county can tax it as well.

dumoulin · #5 03-11-2014, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jim summit

Wolf, how about if you don't want a lease, just build a cabin? Most line cabins up here do not have a lease. Soon as you make it a lease the county can tax it as well.

What are the ramifications of building a cabin on skids not one a line?

BackPackHunter · #6 03-11-2014, 10:25 PM

If there is a cabin on crown land that's not a part of a trapping line
It gets burnt down IF Found.... So I'm told
If you built it into the side of a hill or mtn, and baried it and camo
Get plants growing on it etc would help, but how much work do u want to put into a cabin that will only get a little use every yr....

It's a lot of work in the middle of no where if u don't want people to find it
People fallow trails

jim summit · #7 03-11-2014, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dumoulin

What are the ramifications of building a cabin on skids not one a line?

Have to be a RFMA holder to legally build a cabin.

dumoulin · #8 03-13-2014, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jim summit

Have to be a RFMA holder to legally build a cabin.

I had a line many years ago, but I haven't renewed the RFMA since 1984....I think she's a gonner.

HunterDave · #9 03-13-2014, 04:40 PM

Just say that you're a Freeman.

dumoulin · #10 03-13-2014, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by HunterDave

Just say that you're a Freeman.

Lol

jim summit · #11 03-17-2014, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Grey Wolf

Guys, I was into Forestry/F & W yesterday to inquire about building a line cabin on our trapline. The senior lands officer indicated there are no longer MLP,s and now we have to get a DML. Just for the record we will need 2 engineers, one surveyor to pound stakes and draftsman to prepare the 12 copies of the site plan. The guide sheet he gave me has about 20 directives how to prepare proper site plan. The DML is same system used to apply for major gas plant. Is this now real, what happened to digging a pit adding a few logs then a sod roof?

Have you heard any more about cabin building?

I was at F&W the other day and asked about MLP. Forestry officer said there was no need for a permit for existing cabins, sounds like the guy you talked to are holding you to the book.

Big Grey Wolf · #12 03-18-2014, 01:56 PM

Jim, this is to build new line cabin at other end of our line 30 km away. I believe it is now DML rather than old MLP process but is very scarey in major costs for trapper.

northerntrapper · #13 03-18-2014, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Grey Wolf

Jim, this is to build new line cabin at other end of our line 30 km away. I believe it is now DML rather than old MLP process but is very scarey in major costs for trapper.

I used to have a MLP on our cabin, built in 1983. Costs were prohibitive, so I went to the M.D. and dropped the lease, which was a chore, but I refused to pay them any more money. Almost better to pull a trailer out there, if there is access, and remove it when you are done for the season. Some traplines are remote and a trailer would not be an option, obviously.

Torkdiesel · #14 03-18-2014, 04:34 PM

I would honestly just build the cabin. Make sure 100% it is on your line and go for it. Pretty hard to prove once the cabin is built that there wasn't one there before lol. I'm certainly not saying to abuse the system but stay within the guidelines. I'm sure if F&W ever does find it an explanation of why you built it would alleviate any concerns. IMO anyway

northerntrapper · #15 03-18-2014, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Torkdiesel

I would honestly just build the cabin. Make sure 100% it is on your line and go for it. Pretty hard to prove once the cabin is built that there wasn't one there before lol. I'm certainly not saying to abuse the system but stay within the guidelines. I'm sure if F&W ever does find it an explanation of why you built it would alleviate any concerns. IMO anyway

If you don't have a lot of overhead cover, SRD will find it when flying their choppers looking for hot spots or ungulate counts. But. I agree, build it with a sign on the side saying your trapline #, and it's a go.

HunterDave · #16 03-18-2014, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Torkdiesel

I would honestly just build the cabin.

Better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission?

Torkdiesel · #17 03-18-2014, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by HunterDave

Better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission?

Yep 👍

jim summit · #18 03-18-2014, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by northerntrapper

If you don't have a lot of overhead cover, SRD will find it when flying their choppers looking for hot spots or ungulate counts. But. I agree, build it with a sign on the side saying your trapline #, and it's a go.

Let them find it, have sign posted with line number and contact info. If they see an active trapline and a well kept cabin, they have no issues. It's the cabin with no info of ownership that raise the red flag.

Big Grey Wolf · #19 03-19-2014, 08:29 AM

Guys, thanks for your good advice. I think what we will do is just follow the 94 guidelines and inform them of intentions, but not even consider the new DML route. Fur prices this year will not even come close to covering the extra major cost.

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