Unite the Right? Yes or no?

[From The Hip]

Originally Posted by Bushrat

The chance of an NDP government the last election was also pretty unlikely, they never would have won if it wasn't for the Cons/Wildrose splitting the vote. The NDP absolutely will get elected again if the right do not unite. I do not understand why these two right parties cannot figure this out, makes me think they are even stupider than the NDP if they can't see that.. Why does it always have to be that with politics they have to scour the country end to end to find the most unsuitable and stupidest people possible to run a campaign.

They have figured it out.Brian Jean was just on record that he wants to see a merger happen in the next 6 months.At the same time he said members of the new party will hold a leadership review/vote and also that members will decide on the name of the new party.I am all for this 100%

In saying that there are some things that MUST be done and the PC braintrust should chucked off the boat as they ARE the problem with that party as well as the red tories within the PC party.The PC's have 3rd party status with only a LONE Liberal beneath them so they are not dealing from a position of strength regardless of how long they were in government.

In every riding the WR won last election they won with a strong vote count over other contenders and they increased their seats in the legislature.

In EVERY riding the NDP won they won by the thinnest of margins with the benefit of a "protest vote" gone wrong as well as an almost 50/50 vote split between the PC/WR.

Unite the right and have an open honest leadership race whilst also purging the bad elements of both sides though I will say the PC party has a lot of heavy baggage to get rid of.

FTH

[JimPS]

Originally Posted by Bushrat

The chance of an NDP government the last election was also pretty unlikely, they never would have won if it wasn't for the Cons/Wildrose splitting the vote. The NDP absolutely will get elected again if the right do not unite. I do not understand why these two right parties cannot figure this out, makes me think they are even stupider than the NDP if they can't see that.. Why does it always have to be that with politics they have to scour the country end to end to find the most unsuitable and stupidest people possible to run a campaign.

It's simple - one word - GREED.

[RandyBoBandy]

Looks to me that Nutley "WILL" get another term until the "right" figure out who they are

[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by From The Hip

Unite the right and have an open honest leadership race whilst also purging the bad elements of both sides though I will say the PC party has a lot of heavy baggage to get rid of.

FTH

Open and honest and purging bad do not seem to be the first things that come to mind when I think of politics.

If they manage to unite I will vote for them just because and hope for the best.

[CaberTosser]

To me its imperative that the right unites, and in reading some on Brian Jean's explanation as to why time is of the essence I had not even considered the possibility that Notley could always call an election to try to catch the other parties with their pants down, realistically if they merge doing so before they've got their ducks in a row would be the only chance she'd have at a second term.

[densa44]

I thought that this post would be one of celebration but I see there are very legitimate concerns of who and what would come back as the next government.

We never hear of attempts of "converting the NDP" believe it or not it has moved a long way right since the CCF in the 1960s.

That means throwing in the towel on getting more suitable politicians in either the WR or PCs and seeing if we can move the NDs to the right.

This will work if the present government thinks it will lose if they don't take a step to the right. That's what got the PCs where they are to-day.

One problem that hasn't been mentioned is redistribution, the government will handle this in a way that will help them the most.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by densa44

I thought that this post would be one of celebration but I see there are very legitimate concerns of who and what would come back as the next government.

We never hear of attempts of "converting the NDP" believe it or not it has moved a long way right since the CCF in the 1960s.

That means throwing in the towel on getting more suitable politicians in either the WR or PCs and seeing if we can move the NDs to the right.

This will work if the present government thinks it will lose if they don't take a step to the right. That's what got the PCs where they are to-day.

One problem that hasn't been mentioned is redistribution, the government will handle this in a way that will help them the most.

I see no point in trying to convert the NDP, They have proven to be destructive in every province, and I don't see any hope that such a warped organization could ever form a viable government.While the right does have some issues, the fact that they are open to uniting indicates far more potential that they are willing to represent Alberta, than the socialist regime that the NDP has become.

[JustMe]

Originally Posted by JimPS

It's simple - one word - GREED.

I'm not sure it's greed, but I think for sure an ego thing. Who's going to lead this new founded party? Jean is the home town boy who picked up the pieces of what was left of the WRP and brought it back to life. I don't think I'd want to see him, or do I think he'll, give it up without a fight. Kenny seems to have a lot of support, but to me he seems another egotistical guy like Prentice, so I doubt if he'll step aside either, even for the good of the party. Seems to me there'll be too much infighting to succeed.


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[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

To me its imperative that the right unites, and in reading some on Brian Jean's explanation as to why time is of the essence I had not even considered the possibility that Notley could always call an election to try to catch the other parties with their pants down, realistically if they merge doing so before they've got their ducks in a row would be the only chance she'd have at a second term.

I don't know if that possibility actually would come to fruition. I'm not saying it couldn't either. I am certain that Rachel knows she governs solely on the reason of a protest vote gone horribly wrong. One that will not be repeated I'm quite sure. If anything I believe she will stall an election as long as she can to stay in power every possible minute she can. Come the end of her reign of terror I suspect the party performs some truly terrible things and move WAY left as one last kick at the cat.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

I don't know if that possibility actually would come to fruition. I'm not saying it couldn't either. I am certain that Rachel knows she governs solely on the reason of a protest vote gone horribly wrong. One that will not be repeated I'm quite sure. If anything I believe she will stall an election as long as she can to stay in power every possible minute she can. Come the end of her reign of terror I suspect the party performs some truly terrible things and move WAY left as one last kick at the cat.

I am of the opinion that she will give a little back in hopes of holding on to power. She is doing the dirty work asap, but in 2 years she will start lowering taxes to certain groups, some incentivizing here and there. She will also ask for citizenship for the refugees we have taken in.

[WillyOneStyle]

It was not so long ago that the PC party governed with a Wildrose opposition. It was not so long before that that the PC party governed with a Liberal opposition. The NDP were 3rd or 4th always well back of the pack. I like having choices.
If Albertans were punishing the PCs by hiring the NDP than there is no reason to think we couldn't punish the NDP by hiring the Wildrose.
And what of the Liberal party? You'd think that if they are to gain any ground they'd have to take it from the NDP.

In my opinion, the Wildrose shouldn't stray from it's mandate as a shortcut to government. The PC party should have to fix itself. The Albertan voters should keep a keen eye on all of it.

[ex811]

The federal Reform party and old Progressive Conservatives parties had to unite federally to beat the Liberals. Can't see why the same theory of uniting to beat a common foe can't apply here in Alberta.

[Hat in the Cat]

Originally Posted by ex811

The federal Reform party and old Progressive Conservatives parties had to unite federally to beat the Liberals. Can't see why the same theory of uniting to beat a common foe can't apply here in Alberta.

The difference is that the NDP don't have a historical support base here. They won due to a protest vote and a desire in some to 'try something new'. I am sure many of those voters aren't happy with their returns.

I think joining the two parties on the right will cause more problems with infighting that will eventually destroy the party and result in the NDP snatching victory in a future protest vote.

Perhaps in NDP incumbent ridings the PC and WR could hold a pre debate and vote between the two parties, with the loser stepping out of the actual election race.

[Hat in the Cat]

Originally Posted by WillyOneStyle

It was not so long ago that the PC party governed with a Wildrose opposition. It was not so long before that that the PC party governed with a Liberal opposition. The NDP were 3rd or 4th always well back of the pack. I like having choices.
If Albertans were punishing the PCs by hiring the NDP than there is no reason to think we couldn't punish the NDP by hiring the Wildrose.
And what of the Liberal party? You'd think that if they are to gain any ground they'd have to take it from the NDP.

In my opinion, the Wildrose shouldn't stray from it's mandate as a shortcut to government. The PC party should have to fix itself. The Albertan voters should keep a keen eye on all of it.

I agree.

[JustMe]

Originally Posted by rugatika

I think the last poll I saw put the NDP in third place just slightly behind the PC's...both around 27% and the WR were somewhere around 32% I think. So no guarantee they will get in. In fact I'd say they are in deep trouble even without a unite the right deal.



Having said that, I can see the temptation to erase ALL doubt. I'm still wrestling with it myself.

Agree Rug. Sometimes we forget the folks on here aren't a good cross section of the population, most are pretty much right leaning. With numbers as you quoted, I wouldn't bet on any of the three parties. Too close to call.....


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[KegRiver]

Uniting the conservative parties is not the answer. It's not the parties that split the vote, it's voters fed up with the corruption.

The old PC party had become too self serving, too out of touch with what voters wanted and what the Province needed. Uniting the old with the new simply corrupts the whole.

If the old party members had learned their lesson they would join the Wildrose party, it is after all, THE Conservative party of today.
Instead they seek to resurrect the old party and no doubt are expecting the WildRose party to dissolve into the Old PC party and it's new coat of paint.

The split did not happen because of ideology, it happened because of corruption.

Both are conservative parties, that's why it splits the vote. If they are so far apart in ideology uniting them can not work.
If they are close enough to join, then they are close enough for the old party to cross the floor and join the new party.

What they are doing is telling me they have learned nothing and that they care more about what is good for their personal political careers then they do about what is good for the people and the Province.

Uniting the two will only corrupt the new.

[CNP]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

Uniting the conservative parties is not the answer. It's not the parties that split the vote, it's voters fed up with the corruption.

The old PC party had become too self serving, too out of touch with what voters wanted and what the Province needed. Uniting the old with the new simply corrupts the whole.

If the old party members had learned their lesson they would join the Wildrose party, it is after all, THE Conservative party of today.
Instead they seek to resurrect the old party and no doubt are expecting the WildRose party to dissolve into the Old PC party and it's new coat of paint.

The split did not happen because of ideology, it happened because of corruption.

Both are conservative parties, that's why it splits the vote. If they are so far apart in ideology uniting them can not work.
If they are close enough to join, then they are close enough for the old party to cross the floor and join the new party.

What they are doing is telling me they have learned nothing and that they care more about what is good for their personal political careers then they do about what is good for the people and the Province.

Uniting the two will only corrupt the new.

I don't buy into that Any party, every party, that governs, will succumb to the level of corruption they become comfortable with. The WR has had it's day and nothing extraordinaire comes to surface. The WR legacy is forever tainted by it's fair-weather leader, Danielle Smith, when she and eight other Wild Rose(rs) crossed the floor. That party is a 1/4 mile wide and a 1/4 inch deep. There is virtually no one left from the old PC's. Forming a new (real) conservative party is, as Jean proposes, and in my opinion...............a good thing for conservative minded voters. Get it decided quickly and get it done...........election day is a comin'.

[Deer_Hunter]

I vote no

I think we need a proportional representation system here - this will encourage political diversity, provide better representation and force politicians to work more cooperatively (in the interests of the people) rather than for their party.

I would like to see many right (and left) parties - all working for the peoples votes in order to achieve a greater proportion of them.

Unite the right and unite the left calls lead to what America has become.

While their system is better than ours in many regards -- their effective two party system is nothing to be emulated

[purgatory.sv]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

Uniting the conservative parties is not the answer. It's not the parties that split the vote, it's voters fed up with the corruption.

The old PC party had become too self serving, too out of touch with what voters wanted and what the Province needed. Uniting the old with the new simply corrupts the whole.

If the old party members had learned their lesson they would join the Wildrose party, it is after all, THE Conservative party of today.
Instead they seek to resurrect the old party and no doubt are expecting the WildRose party to dissolve into the Old PC party and it's new coat of paint.

The split did not happen because of ideology, it happened because of corruption.

Both are conservative parties, that's why it splits the vote. If they are so far apart in ideology uniting them can not work.
If they are close enough to join, then they are close enough for the old party to cross the floor and join the new party.

What they are doing is telling me they have learned nothing and that they care more about what is good for their personal political careers then they do about what is good for the people and the Province.

Uniting the two will only corrupt the new.

Originally Posted by CNP

I don't buy into that Any party, every party, that governs, will succumb to the level of corruption they become comfortable with. The WR has had it's day and nothing extraordinaire comes to surface. The WR legacy is forever tainted by it's fair-weather leader, Danielle Smith, when she and eight other Wild Rose(rs) crossed the floor. That party is a 1/4 mile wide and a 1/4 inch deep. There is virtually no one left from the old PC's. Forming a new (real) conservative party is, as Jean proposes, and in my opinion...............a good thing for conservative minded voters. Get it decided quickly and get it done...........election day is a comin'.

If only they could see what you have posted.

Mr Jean seems to be an honourable leader and human.

[Twisted Canuck]

We need to unite the right. I think Rugatika should run for leadership....or Brian Jean.

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

We need to unite the right. I think Rugatika should run for leadership....or Brian Jean.

I'd vote for either, or both.

[Deer_Hunter]

Originally Posted by purgatory.sv

If only they could see what you have posted.

Mr Jean seems to be an honourable leader and human.

Mr. jean is not electable in a general election - he has little support from urban ridings

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

I'd vote for either, or both.

Me too!

[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

Uniting the conservative parties is not the answer. It's not the parties that split the vote, it's voters fed up with the corruption.

The old PC party had become too self serving, too out of touch with what voters wanted and what the Province needed. Uniting the old with the new simply corrupts the whole.

If the old party members had learned their lesson they would join the Wildrose party, it is after all, THE Conservative party of today.
Instead they seek to resurrect the old party and no doubt are expecting the WildRose party to dissolve into the Old PC party and it's new coat of paint.

The split did not happen because of ideology, it happened because of corruption.

Both are conservative parties, that's why it splits the vote. If they are so far apart in ideology uniting them can not work.
If they are close enough to join, then they are close enough for the old party to cross the floor and join the new party.

What they are doing is telling me they have learned nothing and that they care more about what is good for their personal political careers then they do about what is good for the people and the Province.

Uniting the two will only corrupt the new.

I think you are right on. I think what is needed is a change of heart instead of just outward make up.

[KGB]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Whatever it takes to defeat the socialist regime, before they totally destroy our province.

This is the absolute truth, right here!
Unite the rights, absolutely!