Well thank you for all the info my buddy was scared about the rain yesterday so we decided not to go to the wier. I was going to be a night in but it turned out really nice and we ended up at dewits pond. A couple where rising but with n0 luck. I think you need to be there closer to the May long release of fish. Hope to go down to the wier soon. Wife is gone for a week fishing or hunting as many days as i can. Good luck this fall to all!!!!!!!!!!