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climate scientists ... make up you mind!
Here is some fun footage of a mini documentary made back in the 70s ,telling us a new ice age was upon us and the future looked pretty bleak. If only they had known they could fix it with taxes. Ps. extra credibility because Dr Spock (Lenard Nimoy) is narrating
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSDLRm3jhc8
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12-06-2019, 05:11 PM
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The fact is the earth is warming and greenhouse gas levels are rising. .... like they have before ... we will end up in a another ice age as well.... just like we did before .... then after the ice age ... guess what happens.... it gets warm again and greenhouse gasses will be the saviour ...
Lather rinse repeat.
Over the course of a multiple thousand years.
What bothers me the most is not just the taxing portion of this scheme but the fact that money time and effort are used on both sides fighting about this instead of actually making a difference.
I feel those who actually have the earths best interest in mind will not accomplish much . They should be working to reduce pollution in general, gaseous, solids, water contamination and so on.
Falling in line with the global elite and taxing the every day man and woman to death won’t save the planet. Make a difference by starting with themselves not shaming everyone else... and certainly taxing has to be the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard.
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12-06-2019, 05:12 PM
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Plant trees, be responsible, don’t be wasteful... general good human behaviour.
That’s all I teach my kids.
Buying a 99 civic and doing the repairs yourself , not just cheap or handy but an older technology engine being kept alive in a car that already exists is better for the earth than buying a new Tesla. After you calculate the destruction of the old car , building a new one, building the batteries , shipping the car... yadyada
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12-06-2019, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Flight01
Plant trees, be responsible, don’t be wasteful... general good human behaviour.
That’s all I teach my kids.
Buying a 99 civic and doing the repairs yourself , not just cheap or handy but an older technology engine being kept alive in a car that already exists is better for the earth than buying a new Tesla. After you calculate the destruction of the old car , building a new one, building the batteries , shipping the car... yadyada
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Ding Ding Ding exactly!
Honestly the science isn’t even a debate anymore so it’s time to move on and think about solutions. I agree we should be conscious about our impact on the planet but we need to do things gradually, and more importantly change our focus. Instead of buying a 6000 pound tank of a vehicle, make do with a normal sized car. Instead of buying cheap disposable crap at Wally world, spend the extra money and buy quality goods. Take small but meaningful steps and we will all be better off. IMO there is too much focus on plastic bags and paper straws instead of meaningful changes.
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12-09-2019, 02:20 PM
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Stop Downloading videos. Interesting study, The shift project. Stop 🛑 Downloading videos. The amount energy required, utilizes more greenhouse gases, then all Canada 🇨🇦 combined. Yet there target is Alberta Oilsands.
Governments eager to push climate change on population, taxation. Yet more greenhouse gases created by video, downloads, and production of content. Netflix, Porn, etc. This is a good 35 page read.
https://theshiftproject.org/wp-conte...07/2019-02.pdf
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Originally Posted by Flight01
Plant trees, be responsible, don’t be wasteful... general good human behaviour.
That’s all I teach my kids.
Buying a 99 civic and doing the repairs yourself , not just cheap or handy but an older technology engine being kept alive in a car that already exists is better for the earth than buying a new Tesla. After you calculate the destruction of the old car , building a new one, building the batteries , shipping the car... yadyada
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12-09-2019, 02:28 PM
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Control the rampant growth in the earth's population and you will address the route cause of our ever increasing levels of pollution and consumption. Fail to do that and something will wipe out a big chunk of the virus that is mankind.
Not sure how long it will take or how bad it will get before that happens but it will definitely happen. Wouldn't be politically popular but a massive tax on each kid, might actually make a difference, taxing carbon use sure won't.
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12-09-2019, 02:35 PM
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Climate "scientist" - oxymoron.
The climate has been constantly changing only for the last 4 billion years or so.
Who the "heck" are we to think we can affect the nature of the dead immensity of an entire planet?
We're as bad as the Aztecs who wanted to make sure the sun came up in the morning, with human sacrifice! Talk about narcissistic arrogance!
'Greenland' wasn't called that by the Vikings because it was covered by ice.
Maybe it was Green because the 'climate' was warmer back then.........?
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12-10-2019, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Dean2
Control the rampant growth in the earth's population and you will address the route cause of our ever increasing levels of pollution and consumption. Fail to do that and something will wipe out a big chunk of the virus that is mankind.
Not sure how long it will take or how bad it will get before that happens but it will definitely happen. Wouldn't be politically popular but a massive tax on each kid, might actually make a difference, taxing carbon use sure won't.
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Getting the entire world on board with a maximum population density model - population control - won't work unless or until we have a world government. Also won't work due to ethnic and religious diversity.
But with the leaps and bounds occurring in automation, it won't be that many years before a global population of under 3 billion will be plausible. We just need to have everyone on board.
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12-10-2019, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by stuckincity
Climate "scientist" - oxymoron.
The climate has been constantly changing only for the last 4 billion years or so.
Who the "heck" are we to think we can affect the nature of the dead immensity of an entire planet?
We're as bad as the Aztecs who wanted to make sure the sun came up in the morning, with human sacrifice! Talk about narcissistic arrogance!
'Greenland' wasn't called that by the Vikings because it was covered by ice.
Maybe it was Green because the 'climate' was warmer back then.........?
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Greenland was covered in ice at the time of the Vikings. Not necessarily disagreeing with your points, just wanted to add that tidbit
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12-10-2019, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Dean2
Control the rampant growth in the earth's population and you will address the route cause of our ever increasing levels of pollution and consumption. Fail to do that and something will wipe out a big chunk of the virus that is mankind.
Not sure how long it will take or how bad it will get before that happens but it will definitely happen. Wouldn't be politically popular but a massive tax on each kid, might actually make a difference, taxing carbon use sure won't.
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Love the anti population rants...but they never seem to be the first to volunteer to walk the plank to save the planet....
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12-10-2019, 12:55 PM
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I can't wait for climate warming, remember the movie 1 Millions Years BC and Raquel in skimpy clothing!
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12-10-2019, 01:08 PM
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No one has to walk any plank. Canada’s population is going down.
The increase is do to emigrants.
The world has to stop having more people.
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12-10-2019, 01:25 PM
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Ode to Progress
I thank the Lord the sun and the moon
Are both stuck up so high
That no presumptious hand can reach
And pluck them from the sky.
If they were not I do believe
That some reforming ass
Would recommend to take them down
And light the world with gas!!
I'm not young, so have learnt that It's only going to get worse when you trust the government to be in charge of the weather!!
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12-10-2019, 01:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dean2
Control the rampant growth in the earth's population and you will address the route cause of our ever increasing levels of pollution and consumption. Fail to do that and something will wipe out a big chunk of the virus that is mankind.
Not sure how long it will take or how bad it will get before that happens but it will definitely happen. Wouldn't be politically popular but a massive tax on each kid, might actually make a difference, taxing carbon use sure won't.
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Too funny.
https://youtu.be/2LyzBoHo5EI
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12-10-2019, 01:32 PM
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Fact is the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere is directly related to the destruction of the rain forests.
Problem is demanding third world to stop cutting down rain forest won’t give socialist parties in the first world an excuse to reallocate wealth in the world.
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12-10-2019, 01:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dean2
Control the rampant growth in the earth's population and you will address the route cause of our ever increasing levels of pollution and consumption. Fail to do that and something will wipe out a big chunk of the virus that is mankind.
Not sure how long it will take or how bad it will get before that happens but it will definitely happen. Wouldn't be politically popular but a massive tax on each kid, might actually make a difference, taxing carbon use sure won't.
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Where in the world do you come up with this nonsense Dean?
https://youtu.be/w0MqgBnoxb4
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12-10-2019, 01:42 PM
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Fact is the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere is directly related to the destruction of the rain forests.
Problem is demanding third world to stop cutting down rain forest won’t give socialist parties in the first world an excuse to reallocate wealth in the world.
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Wrong again. And there are more trees on the earth now than at any other time in modern history.
https://youtu.be/4JJ3yeiNjf4
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12-10-2019, 01:50 PM
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So the world has been growing rainforest? You are grasping at some false narrative from somewhere
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12-10-2019, 01:53 PM
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World is losing 18.7 million acres of forest yearly.
https://www.worldwildlife.org/threat...st-degradation
Fact is if the world did not lose all this forest and especially the tropical rain forest we would not be at the same CO2 level.
Study in BC showed forest growth accelerates with higher CO2. World is just cutting it down too fast.
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12-10-2019, 02:23 PM
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There are more trees on earth now than there has been in a long time. I’m not at all concerned with their location.
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12-10-2019, 02:32 PM
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There are more trees on earth now than there has been in a long time. I’m not at all concerned with their location.
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Proved you wrong with facts...but whatever.
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12-10-2019, 02:44 PM
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Proved you wrong with facts...but whatever.
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I’ll let you do the math. This data was collected by satellite imagery
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12-10-2019, 04:33 PM
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I’ll let you do the math. This data was collected by satellite imagery
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Dude. The discussion was decrease in number of trees. Your chart is canopy. Link also would be handy.
So yes. The fact still stands that there are fewer trees every year.
From your link.
https://psmag.com/environment/the-pl...d-35-years-ago
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I remember being in school and was told the ozone would be completely gone above the artic by 2020. I think its still there.
Inwas told global warming would rise the sea by 1 meter. Nope still dont own beach front.
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12-10-2019, 06:09 PM
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I remember being in school and was told the ozone would be completely gone above the artic by 2020. I think its still there.
Inwas told global warming would rise the sea by 1 meter. Nope still dont own beach front.
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Yup. Check this sea level station that is on solid ground and recording since 1850.
Does it appear obvious to most that since the last mini ice age that the sea level has been rising naturally?
https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl...tml?id=190-091
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Originally Posted by Flight01
Plant trees, be responsible, don’t be wasteful... general good human behaviour.
That’s all I teach my kids.
Buying a 99 civic and doing the repairs yourself , not just cheap or handy but an older technology engine being kept alive in a car that already exists is better for the earth than buying a new Tesla. After you calculate the destruction of the old car , building a new one, building the batteries , shipping the car... yadyada
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New vehicle are a perfect example of what' s wrong with our society. Too expensive for the average Joe, unnecessarily heavy on the use of materials and labor, essentially non repairable and disposable.
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Less trees (which is false) ....who cares??? the real LUNG of the world is plankton...if your going to save the world...get your facts right.
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12-10-2019, 09:39 PM
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Ding Ding Ding exactly!
Honestly the science isn’t even a debate anymore so it’s time to move on and think about solutions. I agree we should be conscious about our impact on the planet but we need to do things gradually, and more importantly change our focus. Instead of buying a 6000 pound tank of a vehicle, make do with a normal sized car. Instead of buying cheap disposable crap at Wally world, spend the extra money and buy quality goods. Take small but meaningful steps and we will all be better off. IMO there is too much focus on plastic bags and paper straws instead of meaningful changes.
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The Country of Nigeria had 190 Million in 2000. Now it is over 200 Million.
Yes I am the bad guy for pointing out that this country alone now needs to feed, clothe and house another 20 Million, and it won't stop there boys and girls!!!
So perhaps the tax grab (and that is what is. Nothing more than a feel good way to grab money and do nothing about the real problem.) should be diverted to stopping rampant population growth.
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12-10-2019, 09:50 PM
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Less trees (which is false) ....who cares??? the real LUNG of the world is plankton...if your going to save the world...get your facts right.
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Haida had a plan to release powdered iron into the ocean to create plankton blooms which will trap carbon as it dies and settles to the bottom. Also will benefit fish.
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