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Old 09-27-2018, 01:29 PM
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An east end Toronto residents meeting, there is also a poll at the bottom, we're getting smoked on this one when I last looked at it. Probably because the title attracts the antis;

https://www.toronto.com/news-story/8...lence-problem/
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Old 09-27-2018, 01:38 PM
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Interesting study on Aussie gun control from Japan, released by American Public Health;

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/do...PH.2018.304640
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Old 09-27-2018, 01:51 PM
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Interesting study on Aussie gun control from Japan, released by American Public Health;

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/do...PH.2018.304640
URL does not function, I suspect a 'cookie wall'.
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Old 09-27-2018, 05:21 PM
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Here is the abstract version the real version is a PDF of a paper.

Objectives. To investigate the impact of the Australian National Firearms Agreement (NFA) on suicide and assault mortality.

Methods. We conducted a retrospective cross-sectional difference-in-difference study of the impact of the NFA on national mortality rates in the Australian population from 1961 to 2015.

Results. The NFA had no additional statistically observable impact on firearm-related suicides in women (P = .09) and was associated with a statistically significant increase in the trend in men (P < .001). Trends in non–firearm-related suicide deaths declined by 4.4% per year (95% confidence interval [CI] = 4.1%, 4.8%) in men after the introduction of the NFA and increased in women by 0.3% (95% CI = 0.1%, 0.7%). Trends in non–firearm-related homicides declined by 2.2% per year (95% CI = 1.5, 3.8%) in women and 2.9% per year (95% CI = 2.0%, 3.7%) in men after the introduction of the NFA, with a statistically significant improvement in trends for women (P = .04) but not for men (P = .80).

Conclusions. The NFA had no statistically observable additional impact on suicide or assault mortality attributable to firearms in Australia. (Am J Public Health. Published online ahead of print September 25, 2018: e1–e6. doi:10.2105/AJPH.2018.304640)
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Old 09-28-2018, 03:23 AM
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Qwert, I'd upload the pdf itself, but, it exceeds the size limit allowed in here.

I did ask in a group, if someone could condense it a bit to make a bit more sense and more shareable, here are some of the comments;

Studied that case (and the Japanese one) quite a bit since it kept coming up with.
To make it short : the Australian ban did not have any effect to lower homicides, all the "lives saved" by the ban were on suicide (and a few accidents), quotation marks because at the same time the other methods augmented by the same amount (should have banned rope and bridges as well I guess).
At the same time far from everyone surrendered their guns, that's why multiple amnesties keep coming up, and criminals did not turn in anything.
Homicide rates (per capita, not just absolute value) at the same time stopped dropping and even increased before government finally got their head out of their ass and acted against biker gangs.

Canada is essentially in the same situation right now with a government that does not want to act against biker gangs (C75 is cutting prison time big time, right after the C71 that puts a lot of red tape back in), ideologically motivated for some, a prelude to subjugation for the others.

And another one;

The problem with many 'studies' is that a) they are half-assed because researchers know the public will fall for anything that looks like it has numbers in it and b) the funding source for the study is not declared.

This study, from a statistical science point of view, is very good, they cover a lot of methods usually seen in more...valuable...studies but the diligence is clearly there. They almost had me right up until the final page where I read this:

It is imperative that this political moment,
which is so rare in the face of 20 years of
political action to restrain real action on
firearms-related mortality,7 not be squandered
on a law that will have limited impact.
To achieve real, sustained reductions in the
majority of causes of firearm-related mortality,
the United States needs a broader, more
comprehensive range of gun control measures
than those in the NFA.28 If American public
health policymakers focus on policy on the
basis of Australia’s full suite of gun policy laws,
they may be able to achieve real and sustainable
public health benefits and make real
progress toward minimizing this completely
preventable and uniquely American
problem.

To me, this gave away that the piece wasn't so much about proving that the introduction of the NFA was ineffective but rather that on its own, the NFA isn't enough and even tighter restrictions are, in the apparent opinion of the author, 'imperative'.

Don't be tempted to believe that this is either pro or anti-gun control, it is just a well-executed study. That said, if I were anti-gun (and I am most certainly not) I would be using this same research to claim that the Australian NFA does not go far enough and the whole end-to-end model of restrictions should be pursued in order to make a difference. The authors' opinion, in scientific terms, is unnecessary and one wonders why it is there other than to deliver a simple message on the back of unexpected research results, perhaps.

I'm still left wondering who actually funded the research work.
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Old 09-28-2018, 03:29 AM
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May as well admit some of the poison pen crowd;

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star...-handguns.html

This fella wants all gun owners to have liability insurance, so, if we all joined say the CCFR, CSSA ,or NFA and bought one of their insurance packages, we'd make him happy. And boost the member roles of these organisations;

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...lity-insurance
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Old 09-28-2018, 03:54 AM
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A link to the LA Times article on the Aussie NFA study. Also contains a link to a PDF of the laws passed in 1991, before the NFA came about;

http://www.latimes.com/science/scien...926-story.html
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Old 09-28-2018, 10:27 AM
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Thank you for this, we have been speaking this and this is ridiculous and so redundant but we know this.

this is great and thank you
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Old 09-28-2018, 11:07 AM
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Just to remind people what the attitude is in Goodale's crowd, this has not been rectified yet, the RCMP would not register these guns;

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vMG...wv6WhYH4D/view
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Old 09-30-2018, 11:01 AM
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Bit of insight as to the schedule of C71 in the Senate;

https://thegunblog.ca/2018/09/29/bil...communication/
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Old 10-02-2018, 01:43 PM
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Foe what it is worth, Gary Mauser has dug up some stuff from Statscan on firearms charges vs violent crimes from 2009-2015, as usual, most charges were dropped or not prosecuted;

https://calibremag.ca/new-mauser-stu...ent-criminals/
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Old 10-04-2018, 12:01 PM
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Apparently the Senate has scheduled a third reading vote on C71 on Sept 24th.
Then it has to go to the Gov. General for assent. Haven't heard what they are planning for an actual implementation date , yet. Sounds like they aren't intending to spend much time on debating it or amending it.
Just remember what is in the background of all this, if the Libs get re-elected, those who own an autoloader, pistol, rifle or shotgun, will be the next target. Voting for NDP or fringe parties like Bernier's ( who's already shown his stripes) will not help that situation.
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Old 10-05-2018, 12:46 PM
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Another Senate campaign from One Clear Voice;

https://oneclearvoice.ca/campaign020.html
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Old 10-05-2018, 12:51 PM
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And there have been some examples of the guilty by association, showing up in various places already, the only way to beat it is appeal it, and it is happening now on RPAL renewals;

https://nfa.ca/2018/10/03/individual...ons-in-quebec/
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Old 10-13-2018, 06:47 PM
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Been away for a week hunting, appears as there are three things going on that need to be read and shared.

First is Michelle's petition----E1883 This needs to surpass the Rachel Harder petition by a long shot, this one needs to become #1 all time, never to be surpassed by any other petition, it needs 1,000,000 plus gun owners to sign it.
IF you know someone who owns guns of any kind, get them to sign it, help them to sign it if necessary, post it in any place that people who own guns may frequent, ie, the UFA store, the local gun counter, the local gun club, the post office, the laundromat or restaurant notice board. E-mail the link to friends.

https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/P...etition=e-1883

IF you think the Liberals won't come after autoloading shotguns and .22's-----think again---they consider all autoloaders to be an "assault" gun, they are using a flawed definition--mag capacity has zip to do with it, and large mags such as they specify, are not legal here anyway, and selective fire guns are not legal either. Comment on all the questions, tell them they are full of it.
This IS likely the Minister of Nothing's one and only consultation that the public will see;

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/c.../index-en.aspx

AND---if you'd like to buy a European or Turkish or Chinese or American made gun--- they still haven't decided how they will mark them-- or how whatever they do will affect the values---sign this one as well;

https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/P...etition=e-1887
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Old 10-13-2018, 09:47 PM
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C71 debate in the Senate;

https://sencanada.ca/en/content/sen/...?language=e#35
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Old 10-17-2018, 11:05 AM
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This was obvious to people who tried it, and the Rachel Harder petition had this issue, and most likely MIchelle Rempel's petition will show the same result. BUt, the fault is at least public now. The Libs will no doubt base some more twisted propaganda on it anyway;

https://torontosun.com/news/crime/li...GHZevyObxqQvVM
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Old 10-22-2018, 01:58 PM
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CCFR press conference in Ottawa on CPAC. Pretty much a summation of what is what so far;

http://www.cpac.ca/en/programs/headl...YjixWlDLVX3zZA
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Old 10-24-2018, 01:51 AM
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Solomon Friedman presenting at the SECU meetings on rural crime--really well stated position on criteria considered on self defence;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SONE...YQYm0WNh2U3XqQ
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Old 10-24-2018, 01:56 AM
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Hard to understand how AL Flaherty's gunshop came up with this statement, he doesn't care about what hoops his customers have to jump thru apparently, kinda like shooting himself in the foot as far as I can see;

https://thegunblog.ca/2018/10/23/al-...8GCJZYuSAOTKok

Brian Lilley is on our side, nice to see him getting space in the Sun on a fairly regular basis;

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...7I3Ccg-iDJ1EAo
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Old 10-25-2018, 03:18 AM
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Someone in the Senate seems to be on our side, this speech was made following 4 Lib Senators making party supportive speeches;

https://thegunblog.ca/2018/10/23/bil...Chw#more-20256
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Old 10-25-2018, 03:24 AM
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I guess the Brits have the same issues with misrepresenting facts by the authorities as we do, if you read the comments;

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...70MhKIgAQwHzbw
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Old 10-31-2018, 12:18 PM
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Rod Giltaca attending a public safety meeting with Blair in Toronto, worth a look and gives a bit more insight;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9qi...nmodxJRdeSDsVU
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Old 10-31-2018, 01:46 PM
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New article from Dr. Gary Mauser submitted to the Mackenzie Institute;

http://mackenzieinstitute.com/gun-co...PzeUHoQxwjTptQ
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Old 11-08-2018, 03:21 AM
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OK, seeing as Michelle has E-1883 going, Wendy somehow got this sponsored to counter it, now you can see the true colours of what is going on in Ottawa.
You have to see it to believe it;

https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/P...4Y19RtdjyLVrIw
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Old 11-08-2018, 03:25 AM
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Just a reminder; This is the one we need to get signed onto;

https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/P...etition=e-1883

and this one is a good idea as well;

https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/P...etition=e-1887
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Old 11-13-2018, 01:45 PM
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And now we have the anti-Vista group starting on their stuff up here, with Cdn Tire.
https://you.leadnow.ca/petitions/vis...Ym4YwBefEm0644
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Old 11-13-2018, 02:00 PM
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Some good news; E-1887 petition has become temporarily irrelevant, as they have now delayed the implementation til 2020, the manufacturers apparently do have a voice;

https://thegunblog.ca/2018/11/09/can...ting-industry/
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Old 11-14-2018, 12:22 PM
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Hearing that Cineplex in Toronto is running CCGC ads before movies now. Not aware if anything like that is being done anywhere else yet, or will be done anywhere else. The CCGC apparently has billboards up in Toronto as well.
This is the sort of stuff that supporting the CCFR and NFA and CSSA gives us a voice against, and a chance to counter these ads. Tracy Wilson of the CCFR attended a town hall with Mark Holland, who is CCGC supporter of the first order, where he is pushing central storage, feeding the Liberals version of evidence based policy. She videoed it and posted it on FB today, Holland has his agenda and does not like being countered on his misinformation policy, he and Gerald Butts are the driving forces in the Liberal hierarchy on the subject.
WE do have a voice as consumers, against Cineplex, we can let them know what they are doing is wrong.
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Old 11-17-2018, 01:15 PM
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Whilst they have delayed the UN firearms marking implementation til Dec 2020 now, E1887 is still a valid petition to sign.
This is the EU reg they want to bring in, and it is open for comment if you want to, til Nov 26.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better...at0UIfsgYo6UrY
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