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05-16-2018, 09:10 AM
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Prohibited Firearms Sales Approved by Mistake
The RCMP allowed people to purchase these firearms by mistake, so why aren't the owners being grandfathered, or at least being compensated financially for property that they paid for?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/guns...p=FB_Post_News
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05-16-2018, 09:14 AM
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It's more than just "allowed people to purchase". They were issued licenses, albeit improperly. In my opinion, they should be allowed to keep the licenses and the firearms. The firearms were purchased legally with the correct license. The RCMP juts issued them the wrong license. Hardly a mistake by the end user.
I would be a little choked.
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05-16-2018, 11:43 AM
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05-17-2018, 03:31 AM
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Makes a person wonder if or how many of these were used to pad the numbers of "domestically sourced illegal guns" in their report to the Public Safety Minister doesn't it?
And it really makes a person wonder about this;
https://thegunblog.ca/2018/05/16/rcm...ing-c-71-info/
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05-17-2018, 07:27 AM
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So if you go to renew your drivers license and they accidentally add the motorcycle designation, would you go buy a bike, register it, insurance it and then drive it without ever being road tested for a motorcycle license.
These people knew they only have a 12(7) license. They is no way that not everyone of them was aware of the clerical error as they all had to apply for a 12(7) originally. They decided to use a wrongfully issued license to purchase firearms they were not authorized to possess. Now you want tax payers dollars to pay for there deception???? No thanks!
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05-17-2018, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by brendan's dad
So if you go to renew your drivers license and they accidentally add the motorcycle designation, would you go buy a bike, register it, insurance it and then drive it without ever being road tested for a motorcycle license.
These people knew they only have a 12(7) license. They is no way that not everyone of them was aware of the clerical error as they all had to apply for a 12(7) originally. They decided to use a wrongfully issued license to purchase firearms they were not authorized to possess. Now you want tax payers dollars to pay for there deception???? No thanks!
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x2,if you don't know why your license is written wrong have it changed,before doing something you know isn't correct.I won't go buy a transport truck if I never wrote my class 1 then expect to continue driving it with a class 5.Then want my money back for the truck.
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05-17-2018, 08:48 AM
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Prohibited Firearms Sales Approved by Mistake!
The key word here is mistake. Mistakes do happen. Mistakes should be corrected and not allowed to continue.
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05-17-2018, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by covey ridge
Prohibited Firearms Sales Approved by Mistake!
The key word here is mistake. Mistakes do happen. Mistakes should be corrected and not allowed to continue.
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And whoever makes the mistake should take responsibility. Seen prohib hand guns advertised at auctions without noting it, buyer wouldn't necessarily recognize that. Message is, even if the RCMP are wrong, they're right in their eyes. Might make an interesting court case.
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05-17-2018, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams
And whoever makes the mistake should take responsibility.
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I agree that whoever makes the mistake should take responsibility and yes I know that the RCMP seem to have the attitude that they can do no wrong. That said, prohibited firearms that were obtained by authorization that was issued in error does not make it right. I wonder how many knew that there was a mistake and went ahead and took advantage of the situation and how many just did not know the law. It seems that a lot of responsible gun owners simply do not know the law as they should.
Those who complied and returned their firearms as instructed should be compensated.
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05-17-2018, 03:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by covey ridge
I agree that whoever makes the mistake should take responsibility and yes I know that the RCMP seem to have the attitude that they can do no wrong. That said, prohibited firearms that were obtained by authorization that was issued in error does not make it right. I wonder how many knew that there was a mistake and went ahead and took advantage of the situation and how many just did not know the law. It seems that a lot of responsible gun owners simply do not know the law as they should.
Those who complied and returned their firearms as instructed should be compensated.
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Can not agree with this.
All persons that received a new license with a 12(6) designation were only holder of a 12(7) license prior. The process that you go through to obtain a 12(7) leaves no doubt that you are only allowed to possess the prohibited handgun which was originally part of your 12(7) application. 12(7) holders can not purchase other 12(7) firearms from others holders. Everyone that received a license in error knew that it was an error. 1315 people knew it was an error and did not try to purchase 12(6) handguns. 41 persons tried and got caught. I have no pity for them that they are out money. And also I am fairly surprise with the response here that you are OK with them trying to cheat the system and be dishonest.... normally this crew wants people shot or hung for dishonest acts.
Dennis Young pick a fairly stupid hill to die on with this one. I always get a kick out of how he is referred to as a "retired" RCMP Member. I bet most Mounties wish they could "retire" after 5 years service!
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05-17-2018, 03:28 PM
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[QUOTE=Grizzly Adams;3786799]And whoever makes the mistake should take responsibility. Seen prohib hand guns advertised at auctions without noting it, buyer wouldn't necessarily recognize that. Message is, even if the RCMP are wrong, they're right in their eyes. Might make an interesting court case. :
The error would be caught during the registration process, as the buyer would not have the proper class to complete the transaction.
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05-17-2018, 03:47 PM
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The only mistake I see is them making any gun prohibited.
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05-17-2018, 03:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by brendan's dad
Can not agree with this.
All persons that received a new license with a 12(6) designation were only holder of a 12(7) license prior. The process that you go through to obtain a 12(7) leaves no doubt that you are only allowed to possess the prohibited handgun which was originally part of your 12(7) application. 12(7) holders can not purchase other 12(7) firearms from others holders. Everyone that received a license in error knew that it was an error. 1315 people knew it was an error and did not try to purchase 12(6) handguns. 41 persons tried and got caught. I have no pity for them that they are out money. And also I am fairly surprise with the response here that you are OK with them trying to cheat the system and be dishonest.... normally this crew wants people shot or hung for dishonest acts.
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I would have been willing to give some the benefit of the doubt.
BUT....
If it can be proven that knowing that an error was made and they went ahead and obtained or attempted to obtain prohibited firearms anyway, then criminal charges should be laid. I would have no problem with those convicted being orohibited from possessing any firearms.
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05-17-2018, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by covey ridge
I would have been willing to give some the benefit of the doubt.
BUT....
If it can be proven that knowing that an error was made and they went ahead and obtained or attempted to obtain prohibited firearms anyway, then criminal charges should be laid. I would have no problem with those convicted being orohibited from possessing any firearms.
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Give me a break. You just don't know when to stop.
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05-17-2018, 04:32 PM
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Give me a break. You just don't know when to stop.
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I would be happy to if you tell me what you would like broken
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05-17-2018, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by covey ridge
I agree that whoever makes the mistake should take responsibility and yes I know that the RCMP seem to have the attitude that they can do no wrong.
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Aren’t you a retired RCMP officer?
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05-17-2018, 05:55 PM
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An error was made when issuing the license - it was an error.
For those people who purposely took advantage of this error and expect to continue keep the privileges associated with this license and expect this error to become a "privilege and a right" need to give their heads a shake.
Revoke the licenses and re-issue the proper classification of licenses - for those who purchased and own these prohibited firearms should be required to surrender these firearms. That would effectively correct this error.
They can either take "a fair market value" figure offered as compensation OR they can surrender them to the police who will use a third party licensed broker who will keep these in bond, and will post them for sale for the price you are asking - if they don't sell within a specific period of time you get the fair market value and that's the end of this mess.
An error was made, these are fair circumstances to correct this error.
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05-17-2018, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by crazy_davey
Aren’t you a retired RCMP officer?
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No!
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05-17-2018, 08:34 PM
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The only mistake I see is them making any gun prohibited.
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There’s the problem, random bs classifications. If you’re deemed safe enough to own a gun, who cares what it is?
All guns are as dangerous as cars, trucks, chainsaws, whatever, etc... with the wrong person behind it.
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05-17-2018, 09:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by covey ridge
I would have been willing to give some the benefit of the doubt.
BUT....
If it can be proven that knowing that an error was made and they went ahead and obtained or attempted to obtain prohibited firearms anyway, then criminal charges should be laid. I would have no problem with those convicted being orohibited from possessing any firearms.
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I am sure he feels all you evil 10/22 high cap mag' owners all fall into the same category...and should be hung for not turning in your evil, man killing, high cap magazines as well
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Originally Posted by Opalsasquatch
There’s the problem, random bs classifications. If you’re deemed safe enough to own a gun, who cares what it is?
All guns are as dangerous as cars, trucks, chainsaws, whatever, etc... with the wrong person behind it.
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My thoughts exactly. Register or prohibit the owner not the gun.
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05-18-2018, 12:13 AM
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I read the article, and it says that a certain magazine for a certain 22 is prohibited.
But doesn't mention which mag or which 22,
Can anyone enlighten me?
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05-18-2018, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 6.5 shooter
I am sure he feels all you evil 10/22 high cap mag' owners all fall into the same category...and should be hung for not turning in your evil, man killing, high cap magazines as well
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You only think you are sure about that! You prove that you are actually sure about nothing!
BTW, the 12(6) 12(7) thing was a mistake. That differs from the high cap 10/22 mag thing which was a decision to change and make law. I do not like to bash the RCMP like some here do, but I also do not think any Police including the RCMP should be making law of any kind.
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05-18-2018, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Little red riding hood
I read the article, and it says that a certain magazine for a certain 22 is prohibited.
But doesn't mention which mag or which 22,
Can anyone enlighten me?
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The ones that also fit a Ruger hand gun. BS IMO.
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05-18-2018, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by brendan's dad
So if you go to renew your drivers license and they accidentally add the motorcycle designation, would you go buy a bike, register it, insurance it and then drive it without ever being road tested for a motorcycle license.
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Ummmmm....YES I most certainly would,lol.😝
In fact.....when I moved to AB in 2011 I tried to scam the girl at Registry and told her in NB a Class 1E covers motorcycle as well,but she wasn't buying it.☹️
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05-18-2018, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Little red riding hood
I read the article, and it says that a certain magazine for a certain 22 is prohibited.
But doesn't mention which mag or which 22,
Can anyone enlighten me?
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Any 10/22 mags that are over 10 round capacity, and also the 30 round mags for the Mossberg 715 (?)rifles. My understanding that anyone with a large capacity mag can make them legal by having them pinned.
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05-18-2018, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by covey ridge
You only think you are sure about that! You prove that you are actually sure about nothing!
BTW, the 12(6) 12(7) thing was a mistake. That differs from the high cap 10/22 mag thing which was a decision to change and make law. I do not like to bash the RCMP like some here do, but I also do not think any Police including the RCMP should be making law of any kind.
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Having read many of your posts on this forum you are not "friend"...to most firearms owners....
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05-18-2018, 02:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by covey ridge
Any 10/22 mags that are over 10 round capacity, and also the 30 round mags for the Mossberg 715 (?)rifles. My understanding that anyone with a large capacity mag can make them legal by having them pinned.
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That's right.
Get those mags pinned.
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05-18-2018, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 6.5 shooter
Having read many of your posts on this forum you are not "friend"...to most firearms owners....
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Well at least you are reading my posts
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05-18-2018, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Newview01
That's right.
Get those mags pinned.
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I think there is something that you should have pinned
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