What do you guess this whitey would score - Page 2

muzzy · #31 07-19-2007, 07:49 PM

I'd say 150 average on spread ears is 16 inch so spread about 21" and it is a 5x5 if it was maesured by pope and young and boone and crocket
In 40 years hunting never heard anyone not counting the end of tine as a point.

Gord

Nait Hadya · #32 07-19-2007, 10:18 PM

151

bearbuster · #33 07-19-2007, 10:48 PM

Never heard of not counting main beam , but "we" would call that a 4x4 by not counting the browtines the same way a 4pt mulie would be.

Supermag · #34 07-19-2007, 10:56 PM

...and big enough that I would probably shoot it.

ElDiablo · #35 07-19-2007, 11:55 PM

141

bulldog · #36 07-20-2007, 12:17 AM

a good 165

IginlaOutfitting · #37 07-20-2007, 02:33 AM

150, plus or minus 5"
I wouldn't let Jerome shoot it until Nov 30

BIG AL · #38 07-20-2007, 06:57 AM

Wow. Nice 4x4. Mid to high 150's. It was my understanding that most red- blooded Western hunters didn't use the brow tines when talking about points on a white-tail. Thought this only happened out east and down in the states.

BIG AL

Duk Dog · #39 07-20-2007, 07:20 AM

mid 150's, nice 5 x 5

bagwan · #40 07-20-2007, 07:34 AM

Tis very interesting on points. I guess I went to school close to Packhuntr as I too called them like mulies as when measuring the main is the main. One thing I can do is now pat myself on the back and claim a lot of fame for now shooting more 5x5's. By the way I did a lot of measuring in the Cold lake heydey of a large 2200 member Fand G. I would guess 150 +-5 on the Whitey. We used to measure a lot of crunchers from the Sask side. Nice deer no matter how we count points.

Chet · #41 07-20-2007, 07:48 AM

As stated before B&C and P&Y would call it a 5 X 5. The main beam tip is considered a point but it is not measured seperately as one because its length has already been credited in the length of main beam measurement. Also, like Rackmastr said, you always get four circumference measurements on a whitetail, even if its only a spiker.

Chet

nube · #42 07-20-2007, 08:01 AM

I can't beleive the number of guys calling this deer a 4X4 especially you Packhuntr for a guy that like to sound like he knows what he is talking about.
This 5X5 is about a 160 deer and possibly more. It is alsways hard to tell from the pictures but this is how I would score him.
Look at how long the main beam is.
MB is about 23" and possibly more.
Brow tines are about 5"
longest tine is about 9-10"
next one is about the same9-10"
I will give the last tine about a 6-7"
circumference will have 5 1/4 - 5 3/4"
then 5"
then 4 1/4- 4 3/4
and the last one will run about 4 inches
This deer will probably hve a spread of about 18"

Rackmastr · #43 07-20-2007, 08:09 AM

Wow....I'm truly suprised....no shocked....at how many people call that buck a 4x4.....

Stinky Coyote · #44 07-20-2007, 08:50 AM

He's going close to 160 gross for me too!, and very little for deductions. Nice deer and if in the right spot...sit on him...see what he's like next year. Oh yeah...he's a 5x5. I guessed him 19" inside but not sure i have his main beams as long as previous guess but otherwise i agree with rest.

I always call whitetails like that a 5x5 etc. and even if a muley has brow's i don't count them when explaining it to another hunter....unless i specifically mention them. My impression of the Americans way to count points is that they count every point....so that whitetail is a "MY GOOOOOLLY YALL!, THAT THUR IS A TIN POINNER!!!! OH THANK YOU GOD FOR ALLOWING MEeeeee to........"

you git the idear....tee hee

packhuntr · #45 07-20-2007, 09:01 AM

Boys, she really doesnt matter how you count the points on them. Im fully aware of what the "standards" are. Merely saying that on whitetails, i prefer to do an actual tine count. Doesnt affect how the numbers crunch on em in the least. Im merely not including main beams in on my tine count. I will say that when i field judge whitetails, in fast situations, i dont look at the brows, cause most all have them, unless one is broken off. I judge for g2, g3, g4s and do include the tip of the main beam as a 4th, strictly for speed. This manner of judging is no different than your counts, except your count may fall short when you walk up and see a broken off g1 on one side. I guess that would make him a 5 by 4 in that case. And yes, when hes on the ground, i count only g measurements as points. Doesnt matter whose deer rack i grab in the shop over a crock of whiskey. Not really all that shocking, and doesnt mean i dont know my stuff. I judge and count mules in the same manner as you guys, cause like you guys, im judging them on fronts and backs. G-1s are a bonus on mules that can clean up abunch of deduction, but i dont see brows as anything more than a bonus on a good mule. Like you guys, a 4 point mule is a 4 point framed mule. I judge them the same as you guys. Its not like im saying "holy smokes, look at the 20cm brows on that w/t. Come on fellas. Like i said, its 6 of one, half dozen of the other. Im not from Mars, i just dont count main beams as tines.

keep a strain on er.

ABwhitetail · #46 07-20-2007, 09:02 AM

Rack, I'am with you on that one......I super surprised people identify Whitetails that way. With a Mulie...I'm like Sheep.....4X4, 5X5....with brow's....

Oh well, I ran into a guy one time who shot a moose with cervin antlers and he couldn't beleive an Elk and Moose would cross breed??????? There was no convincing him that his shot animal was 100% all moose with cervine antlers....I wasn't going to spoil it to much for him, he was super happy about his specimen....

To each his own I guess....

nube · #47 07-20-2007, 09:30 AM

STINKY coyote I was looking at the second picture in the group of two there for the main beam. It shows great length with the main beam almost running in front of his nose with big spaces between the tines. I would really like to know what it would score but I think there are a lot of guys that are thinking the same on the final score no matter how they come up with it. This is one of those deer you let go for the next year or maybe even more if you can keep tabs on him. Great deer awith a lot of potential

Stinky Coyote · #48 07-20-2007, 09:54 AM

Second picture? I must go back...i just seen the head on shot and yeah...i sure can't judge the depth well from that pic!

Stinky Coyote · #49 07-20-2007, 09:56 AM

JEEBUS! If that second deer is the same deer then yeah...i'm with ya on the main beams forsure!

I just looked a few more times to see if i could tell it was same deer but monitor sucks or the pics aren't showing me any brow tines to compare but could be him...i might have to climb into the 160's gross with my prediction having seen the profile. Nice deer and yeah...if in right spot...he might become a booner if a guy can wait.

nube · #50 07-20-2007, 01:52 PM

My first thought when I saw the second pictures was closer to 170 but to be safe I think 160-165 because it is hard to tell from pictures

SakoAlberta · #51 07-20-2007, 01:56 PM

Give me the location and I'll come measure him once the season starts!

ABDUKNUT · #52 07-20-2007, 06:51 PM

FYI... I'm not sure where you guys come up with '4x4' or '5x5'... That's mule deer talk.

This buck is known as a '10-pointer' or a '10-point' by probably 99% of the whitetail hunters in North America.

Browtines are a given on whitetails, and count as a point. It's pretty rare for a mature whitetail to not have browtines (unlike mulies)

No matter what he scores, he's very symetrical and has excellent proportion. Exactly the style of buck many, many hunters dream of killing. In his peak year he'd surely be a dandy.

A ton of money is spent yearly on guided hunts, and taxidermy thereafter for bucks inferior to this one... just my 2 cents.

Pred@t0r · #53 07-20-2007, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ABDUKNUT

FYI... I'm not sure where you guys come up with '4x4' or '5x5'... That's mule deer talk.

This buck is known as a '10-pointer' or a '10-point' by probably 99% of the whitetail hunters in North America.

I think your 9 key stuck. I'd believe 9%. Heh Heh

I hunted WT in North Sask for most of my life. Never heard them referred to by total points. But, that's just my experience. I'm still new to AB.

Wicked good deer though. He looks like a bully of the bush. Hope to see his big bro this year.

#54 07-20-2007, 08:01 PM

Naw....you won't hear that in Alberta either...that's eastern talk.....starts in Ontario. When your deer are that small counting all the points at once makes them sound bigger...lol

You'll hear that in the eastern and southern U.S. as well.

ABDUKNUT · #55 07-20-2007, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheephunter

that's eastern talk.....starts in Ontario. When your deer are that small counting all the points at once makes them sound bigger..

Ontario? yup... Michigan?yup...Kansas?yup... Nebraska?yup...Illinois?yup...Missouri?yup...Texas ?yup....

Sheephunter, shoot me your email in a PM and I'll send you a few pics of Ontario deer... Wanna see some from Kansas and Iowa too????

#56 07-20-2007, 08:21 PM

That was tongue in cheek DUK....I know there are some great deer in the east. A look through B&C will confirm that.

tyee43 · #57 07-20-2007, 08:35 PM

150 max.

tyee43

BrownBear416 · #58 07-20-2007, 08:36 PM

Nice pic.

153 gross.

5x5 in my books.

209x50 · #59 07-20-2007, 09:47 PM

In Utah it was a 4x4 mule with eye guards. And then there is the infamous eastern 11 pointer.

Rockymtnx · #60 07-20-2007, 11:10 PM

I would have to say 155ish.