What do you guess this whitey would score

kluzy · #1 07-19-2007, 03:54 PM

Just curious to see what this bad boy might score.

#2 07-19-2007, 03:58 PM

Definitely enough to pull the trigger on. I'd guess high 150s to low 160s.

ABwhitetail · #3 07-19-2007, 04:02 PM

I'd agree, gross right around the 160 +/- mark....

packhuntr · #4 07-19-2007, 04:02 PM

Ya hes a nice buck, id guess right around that 160-ish as well. {gross of course}.

keep a strain on er.

packhuntr · #5 07-19-2007, 04:06 PM

I had a second look and want to change my bet!!! Thats a decieving photo, im sayin hes grossin low 150's.

keep a strain on er.

gunslinger · #6 07-19-2007, 04:15 PM

yup im right there to boys,,,,155

#7 07-19-2007, 04:22 PM

168 5/8 ish

ABDUKNUT · #8 07-19-2007, 04:27 PM

155 tops

Dick284 · #9 07-19-2007, 05:01 PM

good mass, good width, lacking length.
155ish

kluzy · #10 07-19-2007, 05:03 PM

Do you think this is the same deer? I cant decide. My gut tells me it is. same trail, both main frame 4X4's.

I thought it would gross 160+.

Dark Wing · #11 07-19-2007, 05:10 PM

It doesn't have it in the main beams or brow tines I'd say high 140s to 150 gross.
G1-4
G2-8
G3-9
G4-6
H1-5
H2-5
H3-4
H4-3
MB-18
x2=124

Inside spread of 20 maybe

packhuntr · #12 07-19-2007, 05:15 PM

I would say without doubt its the same deer. His right g-2 is abit short, and he has good g-4s both sides. Id be pretty sure hes the same buck as the first pic.

keep a strain on er.

Dark Wing · #13 07-19-2007, 05:15 PM

If thats the same deer I'll take my last guess back. Definately a 160 +.

#14 07-19-2007, 05:17 PM

Quote:

both main frame 4X4's.

Looks like a 5x5 to me.

packhuntr · #15 07-19-2007, 05:27 PM

You could call him a 5 by 5 if you were counting the tips of the main beams as points i guess, but main beams have their own measurments. I suppose everyone calls em different. Six of one, half dozen of the other i guess, till mass confusion sets in, in a rapidly unfolding situation!!

keep a strain on er.

Rackmastr · #16 07-19-2007, 05:30 PM

Thats a 5x5.....or a 10pt if you want to use those terms.....and yes the main beam is always counted...same as a 6pt elk......or a 4x4 mulie.....etc....etc..

Anyways, nice deer...tough to say if its the same one or not....

#17 07-19-2007, 05:36 PM

Quote:

I suppose everyone calls em different

Actually not...that point is always counted on a whitetail when you are refering to the number of points.

packhuntr · #18 07-19-2007, 05:42 PM

I disagree. If we were sitting side by side on the edge of a hay field, you were spotting for me, and said a 5 by 5 with a great frame just stepped out, but i didnt have time to glass him, i would think you were meaning 5 actual points. That would register into my mind kind of like this, eg; sh*t, dont screw this one up man, hes a cranker!!! Meaning, to me, that not only am i getting the additional 2 g-5 measurments, i am also getting those nice bonus 2 additional H measurments. These measurments can put a nice deer, into smasher country pretty quick. I see a 4 by 4, but others see a 5, or even a 10. To each his own. So no Rackmaster, main beams arent always counted.

keep a strain on er.

Rackmastr · #19 07-19-2007, 05:50 PM

Well.....YOU may not count the main beam as a point....but 99.9% of the public does count them....as well as all sporting groups, scoring groups, etc, etc...

You call it whatever you want though...I guess you could call a horse a cow if it made ya feel good.....

#20 07-19-2007, 05:51 PM

You'd be the only guy that I ever hunted with that thought that way. As Rack pointed out, even F&W counts it when determining total number of points. You are the first I've ever heard say that and I've been around quite literally thousands of whitetail hunters and every book or magazine article that I've read determines total points that way too.

In this case...to each his own.....means just you!

Rackmastr · #21 07-19-2007, 05:53 PM

As well, you only get 4 circumfrance measurements.......doesnt matter how many points you get......

Again, this is how Boone and Crockett do things....YOU can measure your deer however you want, using whatever method you want.....but the STANDARD is 4 circumfrance measurements....

Rackmastr · #22 07-19-2007, 05:57 PM

You must work a hell of a lot harder looking for 6pt elk in a draw zone for 6pt elk doing it your way......yikes!

packhuntr · #23 07-19-2007, 06:02 PM

Well your probuably right, i prob am all alone on this one, except i know many hunters that count these guys the same as i do. Sure doesnt make me wrong. Most of the southerners that call this deer a 10 point, also count any point that you can "hang a ring off". So much for judging for score i guess. If you boys can get a count of the stickers at the bases, mabey he will turn into a 13 point. You know, and i suppose mabey he is a 13 point, who am i to tell someone any different.

keep a strain on er.

edit; oops talking without thinking, for sure only 4 h measurements, duuh.

#24 07-19-2007, 06:05 PM

LOL....like Rack said...you can call a horse a cow if you want but if you follow any of the accepted scoring systems or the definitions set out by every game department in North America....you count that point. I do appreciate an independant thinker though.........

Yup easterners would call it a 10 pointer and westerners would call it a 5x5 but they both add up to the same number of points. An 8-pointer or 4x4 it is not!

This might be one of those times to say..."hmmm, learned something today" I know I do it everyday.

Walleyes · #25 07-19-2007, 06:10 PM

I say he would go in the mid 150's,, he has beautiful long high rising main beams that give him the appearence his points are longer than they are.. But a dandy indeed..

packhuntr · #26 07-19-2007, 06:19 PM

I am glad you are amused fellas, for sure. On a side note, just wondering where the hell guys hide at whenever this sort of thing happens. Looks like me and the guy that started this thread are all alone as the only 2 people on planet earth that do a count on a whitetail in this manner. But mabey he just mis typed.......

keep a strain on er.

depopulator · #27 07-19-2007, 06:21 PM

145" tops. That does not look anywhere near 160" to me.

Bushmaster · #28 07-19-2007, 06:39 PM

He's a 5x 5 where I come from........

kluzy · #29 07-19-2007, 07:03 PM

When I said main frame 4X4 i was referring to the points other than the brow tines. I too call this a 5X5. I was just trying to point out the similiarities in the main points. Sorry I generated such a discussion.

It is interesting though. Most people call a typical 4X4 mulie with brow tines a 4X4. Yet on the whitetail we call it a 5X5.

#30 07-19-2007, 07:07 PM

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It is interesting though. Most people call a typical 4X4 mulie with brow tines a 4X4. Yet on the whitetail we call it a 5X5.

Ya you are right about that one...especialy in the western U.S. They often call them a 4x4 with brows. Truthfully, I never refer to the brows in the tine count on a muley either. It's a 4x4 or a 5x5 with brows. Strange for sure. I guess that's because in many areas they don't typically have brows.