Keystone leaks 795 000 litres.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/tr...kota-1.4406159

[DiabeticKripple]

Important to note that this is not the Keystone XL line.

[curtz]

Pretty suspicious that's it's just before the decision is to be made on the extension.

[DiabeticKripple]

Why does the left get so butt hurt?

There’s many people calling for Trumps headband because they think he approved this line (it was built under Obama) and when I politely corrected a few they turned quite nasty talking down on Alberta and myself. Ones from Quebec of course.

[berolak]

Does it drive anyone else nuts that they report this in liters and not cubes?

[reddeerguy2015]

Originally Posted by berolak

Does it drive anyone else nuts that they report this in liters and not cubes?

Be thankful they're not posting in millilitres yet.

[Battle Rat]

Originally Posted by reddeerguy2015

Be thankful they're not posting in millilitres yet.

Or referring to it as dirty tar sand.

[Gammaboy]

Originally Posted by berolak

Does it drive anyone else nuts that they report this in liters and not cubes?

Be nice if they reported it in rail cars...

[HowSwedeItIs]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

Why does the left get so butt hurt?

There’s many people calling for Trumps headband because they think he approved this line (it was built under Obama) and when I politely corrected a few they turned quite nasty talking down on Alberta and myself. Ones from Quebec of course.

well you know

[oilngas]

How does 800 m3 get away from a pipeline??

[357Maximum]

Oil is priced and sold by the barrel, reported in liters by CBC leftist propaganda to inflame the situation.

[Spooner]

Whose responsibility is this?

[Sooner]

Question for the pipeline guys. It's Keystones or whoever's line, they contract out the builders. They dig the trenches, weld and lay the pipe. Back fill and along the way, someone gives the final ok throughout the build that all things were done to spec.

Years later the line leaks. Does Keystone take the full environmental clean up hit as they were the last in line to sign off or do they try and go after the contractors who built that section of line after all clean up costs are in?

[mustard73]

Originally Posted by Gammaboy

Be nice if they reported it in rail cars...

Agreed.

[jstubbs]

Originally Posted by Gammaboy

Be nice if they reported it in rail cars...

By my rough estimations, it's in the area of seven rail cars, give or take.

Still an insane amount of oil to be spilled, regardless.

[sweld]

Originally Posted by Sooner

Question for the pipeline guys. It's Keystones or whoever's line, they contract out the builders. They dig the trenches, weld and lay the pipe. Back fill and along the way, someone gives the final ok throughout the build that all things were done to spec.



Years later the line leaks. Does Keystone take the full environmental clean up hit as they were the last in line to sign off or do they try and go after the contractors who built that section of line after all clean up costs are in?

The construction company will give a period of warranty of there workmanship after that the onus is on the oil company unless something catastrophic happens then I’m sure if the oil company can prove it was at fault of the contractor they would go back after them.


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[Battle Rat]

Originally Posted by oilngas

How does 800 m3 get away from a pipeline??

A rupture in 7 minutes at full flow rate.

[Sundancefisher]

Clean it up.

Figure out the cause

Put checks in to prevent or mitigate with increased maintenance.

Move on.

[Battle Rat]

Originally Posted by 357Maximum

Oil is priced and sold by the barrel, reported in liters by CBC leftist propaganda to inflame the situation.

I Agree with your propaganda comment and the use of liters to make it sound worse.
Market price of various types such as WT is traded in barrels but batches shipped and metered by Enbridge, TCPL and others on both side of the border are m3.

[muzzy]

I heard thats only 5000 barrels media reports 800000 liters to make it sound bad. Timing is very suspicious to me

[normstad]

If this was my land, I'd be pretty upset about it. Mitigation is going to tear up a whole bunch and who knows how long before it can be productive again.

[Vacation]

Originally Posted by berolak

Does it drive anyone else nuts that they report this in liters and not cubes?

Yes!!!

[DiabeticKripple]

Originally Posted by normstad

If this was my land, I'd be pretty upset about it. Mitigation is going to tear up a whole bunch and who knows how long before it can be productive again.

I’m sure the owner will be compensated.

[dgl1948]

As a landowner with 4 big Enbridge lines running through my farm I can assure you they are more than fair the way they treat you. Far better than your neighbors who trench and illegally drain their land onto yours.

[oilngas]

357; No oil is not only sold in bbl.'s, tonnes in a lot of the world, m3 in some parts, and always with a gravity adder or subtracted, sulphur content, viscosity, H2O content. Oil is traded in bbl.'s on various Commodity exchanges as WTI or West Texas Intermediate for delivery at Cushing Oklahoma tank farm outlet. WTI makes a handy standard as Cushing is a very big liquids hub.
I don't believe that line carries Intermediates, likely another spec. of crude is batched in that line.

[The Elkster]

Originally Posted by Sooner

Question for the pipeline guys. It's Keystones or whoever's line, they contract out the builders. They dig the trenches, weld and lay the pipe. Back fill and along the way, someone gives the final ok throughout the build that all things were done to spec.

Years later the line leaks. Does Keystone take the full environmental clean up hit as they were the last in line to sign off or do they try and go after the contractors who built that section of line after all clean up costs are in?

A lot will come down to whether it is deemed caused by a construction or corrosion/maintenance defect. Needless to say there will be pipe cut and sent for testing (as always) and if necessary lawsuits to dish our appropriate liability will happen.

[greendrake]

Originally Posted by 357Maximum

Oil is priced and sold by the barrel, reported in liters by CBC leftist propaganda to inflame the situation.

The reason it is reported in litres is that the vast majority of people in Canada do not operate in cubes or barrels so they have no reference point to go by. Besides that you should be worried about the real problem oil leaks are bad all the way around. Bad for the industry bad for the environment. No winners!

[EZM]

Originally Posted by greendrake

The reason it is reported in litres is that the vast majority of people in Canada do not operate in cubes or barrels so they have no reference point to go by. Besides that you should be worried about the real problem oil leaks are bad all the way around. Bad for the industry bad for the environment. No winners!

Fair enough on the comment where anyone outside of the oil community would find any other measurement hard to comprehend - I will give you that.

However, oil is still something the world needs. Oil is something that MUST be transported.

The safest method of transportation from an overall carbon footprint to move it remains to be pipelines. Nobody takes spills lightly and nobody would disagree spills don't impact the environment.

But let's think FACTUALLY about Spills ......

Want REALLY to reduce the impact?

Short term build more pipelines.

Long term?

Develop sustainable energy sources that displace the use of fossil fuels.

This is where we are. This is reality.

[Rockman]

Yep. And sadly sensation sells and the news media thrives on it, so inflaming things is right up their alley.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by dgl1948

As a landowner with 4 big Enbridge lines running through my farm I can assure you they are more than fair the way they treat you. Far better than your neighbors who trench and illegally drain their land onto yours.

Exactly,