Access to leased grasing land denied but is this bogus??

[ram crazy]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

This is crown land that has been leased at a small cost to a rancher, so that they can pasture their herd while being stewards of the land.

It is more then a small cost, do some research on what it costs to buy and maintain a lease.

[ESOXangler]

Originally Posted by ram crazy

It is more then a small cost, do some research on what it costs to buy and maintain a lease.

I don’t need to. I don’t even hunt them. As I have family land. My point is and always will be it’s crown land that is leased. Maybe it’s really expensive but obviously the rancher is turning a profit. Unless the rancher is a wealthy man from Japan that loves bonanza!

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

I don’t need to. I don’t even hunt them. As I have family land. My point is and always will be it’s crown land that is leased. Maybe it’s really expensive but obviously the rancher is turning a profit. Unless the rancher is a wealthy man from Japan that loves bonanza!

You make it sound like turning a profit is a bad thing.
You don't really think a man should lose money for his work, do you?

[ESOXangler]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

You make it sound like turning a profit is a bad thing.
You don't really think a man should lose money for his work, do you?

Strawman!

I think he should be. And no where did I state any different. You’re better than that Redfrog and you know it. Bring a better angle to the debate. I’m all ears, just don’t try angling the argument away from my point.

Cheers

[ram crazy]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

There was a reason parks where created. To keep the privateers out and maintain wilderness.

Some of these park keep hunters out as well, but then again your ok with that too as you have family land to hunt on.

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

Strawman!

I think he should be. And no where did I state any different. You’re better than that Redfrog and you know it. Bring a better angle to the debate. I’m all ears, just don’t try angling the argument away from my point.

Cheers

I didn't bring the profit element to the debate. Go back and read your posts ans see how many references you make to it.

Read my post. above. I said you make it sound like profit is a bad thing. I asked for some clarification.

Sounds like you got triggered. sorry about that.

I'm disappointed.


Here's a different angle.

I don't live near a city [Calgary] so my info comes from AO re this subject. apparently there are areas where the urbanites go to shoot their SKS and Mossberg alley sweepers etc. These places look like city landfills even though they are 'wilderness' areas. Total disrespect for the land or the opportunity to use it.

Where I live, I don't see this. I don't see my neighbors dumping shotup appliances at the end of a dead end road. I do see them take pride and responsibility for their land and their neighbor' land as well.

You may have the right to access Crown land but you also have the responsibility to go along with the right. Lease holders take that responsibility seriously and when it's not hunting season they are still here watching out for your interests. Show a little respect for someone who is working for you.

Here you go"
http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=331985

[ESOXangler]

Originally Posted by ram crazy

Some of these park keep hunters out as well, but then again your ok with that too as you have family land to hunt on.

Ok you are really grasping here! Are you mad that I said there is legislation that says it’s a right to access lease land? Or the fact that I agree with it? I can understand your contempt for me if I was saying I disagree with the whole process but I don’t. I agree with it, I don’t agree with it being treated as private.

And I am ok with national parks and i am also ok with private property. Also I love public land. This all has nothing to do with my point but go ahead assume things. It’s cute.

[ESOXangler]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

I didn't bring the profit element to the debate. Go back and read your posts ans see how many references you make to it.

Read my post. above. I said you make it sound like profit is a bad thing. I asked for some clarification.

Sounds like you got triggered. sorry about that.

I'm disappointed.


Here's a different angle.

I don't live near a city [Calgary] so my info comes from AO re this subject. apparently there are areas where the urbanites go to shoot their SKS and Mossberg alley sweepers etc. These places look like city landfills even though they are 'wilderness' areas. Total disrespect for the land or the opportunity to use it.

Where I live, I don't see this. I don't see my neighbors dumping shotup appliances at the end of a dead end road. I do see them take pride and responsibility for their land and their neighbor' land as well.

You may have the right to access Crown land but you also have the responsibility to go along with the right. Lease holders take that responsibility seriously and when it's not hunting season they are still here watching out for your interests. Show a little respect for someone who is working for you.

Here you go"
http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=331985

Hahahaha nice. So somehow I am disrespectful now? C’mon man you need to go back and read my posts more than I do. The profit comments were in rebuttals to comments made about them takin care of the lease. If it wasn’t profitable they’d turn the lease in.

As for the rest. I stand by it. I am allowed to access that land, providing I give notice and respect all rules.

[Xbolt7mm]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

My kind? Wtf are you even talking about? You don’t know me or even my age. But you’re still mad at me. And PM a mod and ask if I edited “God” out of my post. You are just plain talking crazy. And you’d do good to know a few people like me. I’m successful and it’s all self earned. And I’m sorry you work with terrible people. Is it a lot of them? Cause you know the saying right?

But this whole thread isn’t and hasn’t been about me so I don’t know why you’re even attacking me on a personal level.

For a third time:
There is government legislation that guarantees recreational access when following certain guidelines. This is my point. This is crown land that has been leased at a small cost to a rancher, so that they can pasture their herd while being stewards of the land. I can’t believe you could encourage and support the ability of people to deem crown land private and shut down access. This goes against everything we as outdoorsmen represent. There was a reason parks where created. To keep the privateers out and maintain wilderness. The same can be said about leases.

I never pm,ed a mod about your edit at all, I pm ed a mod about your name calling, which you did, there are also rules about using letters in place of swearing which you did above. Your clearly not one for rules. Please don’t include all of us in your group of outdoorsman or the ethics and morals you represent. I also don’t encourage or support anything you mentioned, what I do support is treating them with respect and ask permission and don’t have them feel like I’m entitled to anything, because I’m not. I also never said I encourage and support the ability for people to deem crown land private and shut down access. That statement was made by you to to falsely support your side of the argument, I merely said the world if full of bad people and if you are not kind and nice to the lease holders plus build a relationship with them more than the day before you shouldn’t be shocked if they say no.

[Redfrog]

I'm not mad at all. If I don't agree with you I'm Mad?????

I think we agree more than you seem to think we do.

The system of access isn't perfect and some on both sides try to get around the rules and if the gov't guy is doing his job. then those issues should be resolved. there are mechanisms in place.

I just think it does not make sense to insult and alienate a leaseholder and expect to be welcomed onto the land. Technically it is gov'y land, but the practicality is that it is the lease holder who maintains and watches over it. If he didn't it would turn into a dump.That's not my opinion, simply look around at the areas close to the city that are easy access for shooting. How many weekends are the cops out in force and booze restrictions put on these areas.

Not on a grazing lease. Why is that? Of course it's part of his living. but it is more than that . It is the respect he feels for the land. most have ranched of framed their whole lives or for generations. You can understand the frustration he feels when someone who has never stepped in cow **** comes along and is suddenly a legal expert, as well as an ag specialist who knows more about the business than the guy who is doing it.

A little respect goes a long way. Both ways.

Sort out the ones who are dinks. but don't sell the whole herd for the same price.

[Xbolt7mm]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

I didn't bring the profit element to the debate. Go back and read your posts ans see how many references you make to it.

Read my post. above. I said you make it sound like profit is a bad thing. I asked for some clarification.

Sounds like you got triggered. sorry about that.

I'm disappointed.


Here's a different angle.

I don't live near a city [Calgary] so my info comes from AO re this subject. apparently there are areas where the urbanites go to shoot their SKS and Mossberg alley sweepers etc. These places look like city landfills even though they are 'wilderness' areas. Total disrespect for the land or the opportunity to use it.

Where I live, I don't see this. I don't see my neighbors dumping shotup appliances at the end of a dead end road. I do see them take pride and responsibility for their land and their neighbor' land as well.

You may have the right to access Crown land but you also have the responsibility to go along with the right. Lease holders take that responsibility seriously and when it's not hunting season they are still here watching out for your interests. Show a little respect for someone who is working for you.

Here you go"
http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=331985

Times a thousand

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

Hahahaha nice. So somehow I am disrespectful now? C’mon man you need to go back and read my posts more than I do. The profit comments were in rebuttals to comments made about them takin care of the lease. If it wasn’t profitable they’d turn the lease in.

As for the rest. I stand by it. I am allowed to access that land, providing I give notice and respect all rules.

Why are you not a rancher? LOL between the cowboy welfare and cheap leases, it's nearly as profitable as being a politician.

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by Xbolt7mm

Times a thousand

Yep well said froggy.

[Hunter4ever12]

Another classic thread on AO....