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02-26-2018, 01:00 PM
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Arming Teachers?
Let's keep this on the tracks and restrict comments to the title topic. Although I reject the idea teacher carry, I do believe there may be measures that could prove effective. My idea includes the following:
* That at least one long barrelled firearm be kept under lock at every school. That firearm should be "different" than the AR/AK style ... something like an M1 Carbine...equipped with red dot sight system ... and painted in a bright color to make it easily identifiable. Color would be changed once or twice each year through school interchanges within the system.
* Stored under a lock that could only be opened with "finger print" technology.
* Storage would include a bright colored, bullet proof vest and a brightly colored cap matching the color of the rifle.
* Color combinations would be known only by trained staff and police...and would be changed a minimum of once each year.
* Training for teachers/staff that volunteer.
* Training, training, training.........
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02-26-2018, 01:03 PM
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I have two questions,
Why not an AR? They are much better suited to the CQB requirements.
Why only one, stored in a specific location? Chances are the shooter would be between the trained staff member and the firearm.
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02-26-2018, 01:07 PM
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i also have a question ?
Why the bright colours - are you suggesting teachers involved in protection duty "suit up" before responding ?
TBD
PS ... BTW i'm behind trump 100%, these gun free school zones have to end
move all the gun free zones to the democrat sanctuary cities ...
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02-26-2018, 01:10 PM
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When i took my PAL last spring in Calgary 7 were teachers,from the CSB..
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02-26-2018, 01:16 PM
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MSNBC and CNN took the NRA’s bait on arming teachers
Outlandish ideas are a gun rights strategy to deflect from real policy.
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https://www.vox.com/2018/2/26/170529...ia-gun-control
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02-26-2018, 01:16 PM
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Assuming the idea on the color of the vest and cap to allow law enforcement to know the difference quickly when they enter the facility. Correct?
Not sure why the difference on the type of firearm? Can you explain your thoughts on this.
Training, passing some type of proficiency exam and annual refresher training.
Not sure on the location for the locked storage. It should be in proximity to the trained staff.
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02-26-2018, 01:23 PM
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Guard at each door and metal detector would be a big help
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02-26-2018, 01:27 PM
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When I think back to my school days I can only think of one maybe two teachers that wouldn't faint looking at a gun much less shoot one.
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02-26-2018, 01:27 PM
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My thoughts are arm everyone that wants to be armed for the simple reason is that just because you are a teacher doesn't mean you can't be a lunatic. What to say the duty gun bearer is gonna follow thru with what is required of him or her. Seems to me they had armed guards at the recent school shooting that didn't follow thru so what will make a teacher any different.
Maybe stop spending money and resources on gun control and deal with mental health issues instead.
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02-26-2018, 01:35 PM
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I'd be for it. When all other safeguards fail, the teacher is the final line of defense. At least they should have that option, with proper qualifications, naturally.
I recall after the Sandy Hook shooting, I was speaking with a relative who is a teacher at an inner-city school. One of the first things she said was, "I wish teachers would be able to have concealed carry." Her suggestion. Not mine.
I agreed with her... I've seen her shoot.
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02-26-2018, 01:38 PM
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Arming teachers
Not a good idea,teachers are against using the strap let alone shooting people, it would involve lots of training. As was suggested by others, people control seems like the way to proceed IMO.
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02-26-2018, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JDK71
Guard at each door and metal detector would be a big help
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I still like this the best, or was suggested by another member hire retired military. Already trained in weapons, hand to hand and many with experience, similar to SWAT. If I had kids in school I would feel more comfortable with a military person "on guard" much more than a teacher or a policeman.
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02-26-2018, 01:44 PM
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How do you measure bravery?
How do you know who will stand face to face with evil?
How do you know who will cower when faced with danger?
Do people come any braver than this?
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02-26-2018, 01:49 PM
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Arm the teachers or have a guard.probably that would be enough to deter 75 percent of these cowardly crazies
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02-26-2018, 02:01 PM
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Schools are dangerous. Ban schools.
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02-26-2018, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bat119
When I think back to my school days I can only think of one maybe two teachers that wouldn't faint looking at a gun much less shoot one.
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When I think back to my high school days ... we used to have shotguns in our vehicles and went bird hunting with some of the teachers after school. Guess those days are gone.
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02-26-2018, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by darren32
When I think back to my high school days ... we used to have shotguns in our vehicles and went bird hunting with some of the teachers after school. Guess those days are gone.
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not where I come from we have some teachers that still love a little time out side the class with the kids
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02-26-2018, 02:10 PM
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If you think gun free zones are the reason that these mass shooters target schools just stop with the schools being a gun free zone for licensed people. If the possibility of an armed teacher being present works I’m ok with that, the question though is the reason schools are targeted is because they are gun free zones or for other reasons?
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02-26-2018, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by slough shark
If you think gun free zones are the reason that these mass shooters target schools just stop with the schools being a gun free zone for licensed people. If the possibility of an armed teacher being present works I’m ok with that, the question though is the reason schools are targeted is because they are gun free zones or for other reasons?
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Probably other reasons, but they are considered a soft target so they are a little more appealing to a psycho as opposed to a mall or other busy public place where there is a high probability of someone carrying concealed.
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02-26-2018, 02:36 PM
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The was an article posted on the The War Zone (it is a sub blog on thedrive.com).
The suggestion in the article is to employ returned/retired soldiers as armed protectors of the school. The two main points IMO are:
1) These soldiers are often trained in CQB type situations (unlike a teacher would be)
2) This would help with the under-employment that faces many ex-military personnel
of course the comment section exploded saying how terrible of an idea this is...
I would rather have a vetted ex-military person guarding a school rather than a teacher who has no clue how to run a gun.
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02-26-2018, 02:43 PM
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Why put that burden/responsibility on a teacher.
If your going the route to arm someone, hire some Vets or guards, train them. X amount of guards per number of students. Guards don't have to be like a bank in Mexico and be carrying assault rifles. Nice and concealed. At least any person thinking about attacking a school or post secondary would know there is now resistance that is not easily seen and may re think. It will be a first step in defense of the kids.
Then try and figure out this access/mental health issue.
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02-26-2018, 02:43 PM
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We spend all kinds of money protecting all kinds of people and venues, but, protecting kids in school is even a debate nowadays? There are probably times when a teacher would like to be able to protect themselves from the kids in a school in some places. But, why are kids considered less valuable than a sports figure or politician or even a media personality or a bank?
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02-26-2018, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Newview01
I have two questions,
Why not an AR? They are much better suited to the CQB requirements.
Why only one, stored in a specific location? Chances are the shooter would be between the trained staff member and the firearm.
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A firearm that is “probably” going to be different than that of a potential shooter, and thus more easily identifiable to first responders
There could be more than one location, got to start with the low cost options, if money is there more are good. My OP mentioned at least one...
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02-26-2018, 02:52 PM
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TBD- The “suit up is a vest” with Velcro ...takes 10 seconds to put on...and the color combination is privy to first responders
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Originally Posted by 260 Rem
A firearm that is “probably” going to be different than that of a potential shooter, and thus more easily identifiable to first responders
There could be more than one location, got to start with the low cost options, if money is there more are good.
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I sort of get where you are going but an M1 Carbine/Ruger Mini 14/AR-15 all look pretty similar 50 to 100 yards away.
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02-26-2018, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by slough shark
If you think gun free zones are the reason that these mass shooters target schools just stop with the schools being a gun free zone for licensed people. If the possibility of an armed teacher being present works I’m ok with that, the question though is the reason schools are targeted is because they are gun free zones or for other reasons?
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02-26-2018, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 260 Rem
Let's keep this on the tracks and restrict comments to the title topic. Although I reject the idea teacher carry, I do believe there may be measures that could prove effective. My idea includes the following:
* That at least one long barrelled firearm be kept under lock at every school. That firearm should be "different" than the AR/AK style ... something like an M1 Carbine...equipped with red dot sight system ... and painted in a bright color to make it easily identifiable. Color would be changed once or twice each year through school interchanges within the system.
* Stored under a lock that could only be opened with "finger print" technology.
* Storage would include a bright colored, bullet proof vest and a brightly colored cap matching the color of the rifle.
* Color combinations would be known only by trained staff and police...and would be changed a minimum of once each year.
* Training for teachers/staff that volunteer.
* Training, training, training.........
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Sounds like a gun-fetishist fantasy.
In Canada? Zero chance of this gaining any traction. Not even a good idea. The level of training required to make this armed teacher an asset and not a liability would be insane and not easy. The increased risk of accidental shooting or someone else getting the firearm is greater than the benefit it would provide.
Even in the Excited States of America, I can’t see many teachers wanting the additional weight of such a role.
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02-26-2018, 02:57 PM
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Assuming the idea on the color of the vest and cap to allow law enforcement to know the difference quickly when they enter the facility. Correct?
Not sure why the difference on the type of firearm? Can you explain your thoughts on this.
Training, passing some type of proficiency exam and annual refresher training.
Not sure on the location for the locked storage. It should be in proximity to the trained staff.
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Training ... must include “situational training and practice”. Monthly “practice”.
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I don't pretend to know the details, but doesn't Israel arm teachers in parts of that country?
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02-26-2018, 02:58 PM
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Your taxes just doubled....that would never be supported.
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