Good example of how our Justice system works and why rural crime is a problem

[Grizzly Adams]

Back in March. Released on a promise to appear, in spite of previous arrests.

https://www.oldsalbertan.ca/article/...rport-20190306

This week.

https://www.sundreroundup.ca/article...chase-20190715

And people can't understand our anger.

Grizz

[CaberTosser]

Meth heads with a penchant for stealing vehicles, who would have thought? That these ones are armed is of definite concern, it’s a good thing these public warnings have been published so that citizens know to consider all suspicious types to be armed (and can prove it in court following a defensive shooting)

[AndrewM]

Quote from the article below. How terrible are these numbers? Go to trial and play the odds.

"There is a 17 to 50 per cent chance an accused person facing trial on low complexity charges will see their charges dropped. Low complexity cases are matters that take less than half a day for trial and can include charges of theft, assault, shoplifting and mischief, as well as breaches."


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...tage-1.5220507

[elkhunter11]

And they keep getting a slap on the wrist, and the taxpayers keep paying to try them. We need hard labor, where inmates can work for their keep.

[Jayhad]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

And they keep getting a slap on the wrist, and the taxpayers keep paying to try them. We need hard labor, where inmates can work for their keep.

No we need judges and politicians with backbones to do their jobs.

[AndrewM]

Originally Posted by Jayhad

No we need judges and politicians with backbones to do their jobs.

At 17-50% getting off due to delays, looks like we need more judges.

[Albertadiver]

Legal system. Not a justice system. It's broke.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by AndrewM

At 17-50% getting off due to delays, looks like we need more judges.

Just sentence them to real prison terms, so they aren't out committing more crimes in a few months. If they get five years behind bars, with no early release, they won't he in a courtroom for another five years. With the career criminals behind bars for long term sentences, there won't be a need for more judges.

[Robins36]

I believe that it costs the taxpayers too much to keep them locked up with all meals provided. Bring back capital punishment... I believe the punishment should fit the crime.

Daryl

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Robins36

I believe that it costs the taxpayers too much to keep them locked up with all meals provided. Bring back capital punishment... I believe the punishment should fit the crime.

Daryl

Get rid of the computers, internet, gym equipment etc, put them to work at hard labor, where they can earn their keep.

[Howard Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by Robins36

I believe that it costs the taxpayers too much to keep them locked up with all meals provided. Bring back capital punishment... I believe the punishment should fit the crime.

Daryl

>>
I agree with Daryl on this. Although the Asian countries have much to be desired in the way their citizens are treated, I believe the Canadian judicial system could learn much from the way they handle these addicts, more importantly, the dealers.
You get caught dealing, it is game over- no questions.
>
This epidemic is expanding exponentially and something hard handed has to be done. It's a plague, plain and simple.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...tion-1.5094767

[bat119]

Build a compound on Baffin island for drug addicts to recover you wouldn't even need a fence.
Anyone sentenced to more than 10 years should be sent to a Mexican prison.

Criminals in remand get 2x credit why? when their trial comes up they fire the government paid lawyer the new lawyer needs 6 months to review the case Why? When the crooks eventually get to trial the sentence is time served.

The current governments only plan is not to have nice things to steal by banning or taxation instead of protecting the public.

Our legal system needs a complete overhaul

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by Howard Hutchinson

>>
I agree with Daryl on this. Although the Asian countries have much to be desired in the way their citizens are treated, I believe the Canadian judicial system could learn much from the way they handle these addicts, more importantly, the dealers.
You get caught dealing, it is game over- no questions.
>
This epidemic is expanding exponentially and something hard handed has to be done. It's a plague, plain and simple.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...tion-1.5094767

Within the last year I read about a Canadian citizen in China who was convicted of drug smuggling and sentenced to die (not sure if the execution happened yet). The first thing I wondered while still reading the article was whether or not he was guilty due to how their courts are. As I continued reading I saw that he had previous convictions here in Canada for drug trafficking so I was satisfied that he indeed was guilty and that he’d not be ruining people’s lives anymore. Had the creep received adequate punishment here at home he might not have tried something so stupid in the PRC. Better punishment and sentencing here could save not only the situation in Canada, but it could prevent our recidivist criminals from being executed internationally

[thumper]

We outsource lots of things to other countries. Call centres to India, we ship wheat overseas for others to make into pasta and then ship back to us, apparently we even ship garbage all the way to Malaysia!
Why not outsource our prisons and remand centres to poor countries as a labour intensive industry instead of foreign aid? They could do it cheaper ... maybe Haiti or Somalia would be interested. Do court appearances, appeals and stuff through Skype.

[RBI]

Originally Posted by thumper

We outsource lots of things to other countries. Call centres to India, we ship wheat overseas for others to make into pasta and then ship back to us, apparently we even ship garbage all the way to Malaysia!
Why not outsource our prisons and remand centres to poor countries as a labour intensive industry instead of foreign aid? They could do it cheaper ... maybe Haiti or Somalia would be interested. Do court appearances, appeals and stuff through Skype.

I like your thinking

[Dewey Cox]

I work every day, and the government takes more than 50% of what I make.
I miss paying my taxes, and that court case is not getting dismissed.
Someone goes out and steals whatever they get their hands on, and the government can't be bothered to do anything useful about it.

Our country is run by thieves, that's why they don't punish them.

[Bushrat]

Jails are full, when we have more criminals than cells instead of building more jails to put them in the gov't came up with the bright idea that they should just catch and release them so they can continue to wander the streets pillaging, robbing, raping and murdering people. It has been a very successful policy.

[nimrod]

Originally Posted by thumper

We outsource lots of things to other countries. Call centres to India, we ship wheat overseas for others to make into pasta and then ship back to us, apparently we even ship garbage all the way to Malaysia!
Why not outsource our prisons and remand centres to poor countries as a labour intensive industry instead of foreign aid? They could do it cheaper ... maybe Haiti or Somalia would be interested. Do court appearances, appeals and stuff through Skype.

"Like" when I do I vote for you

[HalfBreed]

Originally Posted by Bushrat

Jails are full, when we have more criminals than cells instead of building more jails to put them in the gov't came up with the bright idea that they should just catch and release them so they can continue to wander the streets pillaging, robbing, raping and murdering people. It has been a very successful policy.

WRONG!

They need to be chained and cleaning, clearing ditches.
Bread and water until they earn rice and beans, progressing to meat and potatoes.
Common floor space until they earn a cot.
Keep it simple.

Earn your way back to society.

Or take your chances in someone else's war for leniency.

[RandyBoBandy]

Originally Posted by dewey cox

i work every day, and the government takes more than 50% of what i make.
I miss paying my taxes, and that court case is not getting dismissed.
Someone goes out and steals whatever they get their hands on, and the government can't be bothered to do anything useful about it.

Our country is run by thieves, that's why they don't punish them.

x 100

[BuckCuller]

Private prisons.

[pikergolf]

HalfBreed is on the right track. Lots of municipalities are crying for the means to keep the green spaces clean and mowed. Win, win, the inmates can feel useful and the cities get free labor. Should be a tax cut in there somewhere as well.

[ward]

Originally Posted by Howard Hutchinson

>>
I agree with Daryl on this. Although the Asian countries have much to be desired in the way their citizens are treated, I believe the Canadian judicial system could learn much from the way they handle these addicts, more importantly, the dealers.
You get caught dealing, it is game over- no questions.
>
This epidemic is expanding exponentially and something hard handed has to be done. It's a plague, plain and simple.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...tion-1.5094767

Imagine if people just quit the crap and the market dried up. Sounds ridiculous even saying such a thing. Oh well, wishful thinking.

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by HalfBreed

WRONG!

They need to be chained and cleaning, clearing ditches.
Bread and water until they earn rice and beans, progressing to meat and potatoes.
Common floor space until they earn a cot.
Keep it simple.

Earn your way back to society.

Or take your chances in someone else's war for leniency.

I was being sarcastic...many of them should just be shot.

[dgl1948]

Just bring back the lash. You would find repeat offenders would be reduced in a hurry>

[zabbo]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Get rid of the computers, internet, gym equipment etc, put them to work at hard labor, where they can earn their keep.

Good God man! This is Canada! These people have rights.

[chris762]

Originally Posted by zabbo

Good God man! This is Canada! These people have rights.

Now that put a smile on my face. Good sense of humour you have...They have the right to steal our stuff, shoot at us, play the system, get free drugs......Seems like they got more rights than the law abiding citizens do.

[NCC]

Originally Posted by HalfBreed

WRONG!

They need to be chained and cleaning, clearing ditches.
Bread and water until they earn rice and beans, progressing to meat and potatoes.
Common floor space until they earn a cot.
Keep it simple.

Earn your way back to society.

Or take your chances in someone else's war for leniency.

I was at a horse show in Texas where they had prisoners cleaning stalls and picking up garbage around the facilities. I was told that the Nordegg prisoners used to maintain all of the trails, bridges, picnic areas, outhouses, etc. west of Rocky also. The guards would likely enjoy some time outside of the prison walls.

I like the idea of starting them out sleeping on the floor with water and rice to eat until they earn a cot and protein.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by zabbo

Good God man! This is Canada! These people have rights.

And that is the problem, criminals and terrorists have more rights than law abiding citizens.

[WhiteTailAB]

Jason Kenney said they're looking at hiring, I think, 50 more crown prosecutors. Thought I heard 50, could be mistaken but it's a step in the right direction because the courts are extremely backlogged.