RCMP union launches campaign against Alberta provincial police force

[ram crazy]

We’re on hard times right now, just where exactly is the Alberta government going to come up with all the cash to fund this little venture? Between the last and the present Alberta government they have pizzed away a large amount of the pension fund.

[nimrod]

Originally Posted by ram crazy

We’re on hard times right now, just where exactly is the Alberta government going to come up with all the cash to fund this little venture? Between the last and the present Alberta government they have pizzed away a large amount of the pension fund.

Im sure Alberta pays Trudeau to have the RCMP here, so stop the money going east, and keep it here and take there orders from Us, not Trudeau.

[roper1]

RCMP like the 101st, time for Ab to have our own now.

[thumper]

We should take every step that's available to us, in distancing Alberta from Ottawa. Use Quebec's playbook, and become as autonomous as we possibly can.

[NCC]

After the Lethbridge police force’s takedown of the Storm Trooper, Calgary PS handling of the ice skater, and various interactions with the Sheriffs and County Mounties, I’ll take my chances with the RCMP.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by NCC

After the Lethbridge police force’s takedown of the Storm Trooper, Calgary PS handling of the ice skater, and various interactions with the Sheriffs and County Mounties, I’ll take my chances with the RCMP.

And then we have the High River firearms seizures, and the Vancouver airport incident. And with the ex RCMP as CFO, we had the illegal backdoor registry. At least with smaller, local forces, their is less bureaucracy for them to hide behind to cover up their illegal activities, and the head of the force isn't a puppet appointed by Trudeau.

[Newlyretired]

Originally Posted by Big Grey Wolf

Great, we design a new semi competent police force at very high cost to replace the "Best police force in the world" We can then charge more farm boys for operating a tractor on a rural road and not stopping for alcohol test.

Best police force in the world, thank you for the laugh grey wolf, that was funny

[Pioneer2]

High River.........never forgive ......never forget.

[trooper]

Since the High River incident, they have lost the respect of many Albertans. In my humble opinion, they are self serving and arrogant. Send them packing.

[JDK71]

Originally Posted by trooper

since the high river incident, they have lost the respect of many albertans. In my humble opinion, they are self serving and arrogant. Send them packing.

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[350 mag]

Not too mention there is multiple scandals involving breech or trust, defrauding taxpayers etc that the Trudeau LIEberals are guilty of and we have heard "crickets" from the RCMP.

But anytime Trudope needs to silence a critique the Queen's Cowboys show up a that reporters door threatening him?

[CMichaud]

Originally Posted by ram crazy

We’re on hard times right now, just where exactly is the Alberta government going to come up with all the cash to fund this little venture? Between the last and the present Alberta government they have pizzed away a large amount of the pension fund.

You think we are not paying for police services from the RCMP now?

I suspect no one on this forum knows the true cost that we pay for the RCMP in Alberta.

The fact is that Quebec and Ontario both are able to run their own police force. Yes they are larger population wise - however these larger pops likely mean more police required to patrol a larger population. Both Quebec and Ontario also have northern and austere posting which they service.

They do it and so can Alberta and BC - he(double hockey sticks) we have done it before!

Time for us to grow-up and get on with the business of looking after ourselves. It sounds like a bunch of teenager scared to leave home because Mom and Dad told them its so expensive out there. Let's grow up, get out of the house already.

[brendan's dad]

Originally Posted by CMichaud

You think we are not paying for police services from the RCMP now?

I suspect no one on this forum knows the true cost that we pay for the RCMP in Alberta.

The fact is that Quebec and Ontario both are able to run their own police force. Yes they are larger population wise - however these larger pops likely mean more police required to patrol a larger population. Both Quebec and Ontario also have northern and austere posting which they service.

They do it and so can Alberta and BC - he(double hockey sticks) we have done it before!

Time for us to grow-up and get on with the business of looking after ourselves. It sounds like a bunch of teenager scared to leave home because Mom and Dad told them its so expensive out there. Let's grow up, get out of the house already.

Here you go....

https://rmalberta.com/news/governmen...costing-model/

[nimrod]

Well looks like the province is going ahead with booting the RCMP out of Alberta, lets hope

[Snowdog2112]

It's agreed that the RCMP definitely employs a lot of men and women with no business having any kind of authority. As well, the CPS and EPS are full of crooked cops.

Sadly, though, I think we could expect more of the same, or worse, from a provincial force. One can only imagine the corruption from top to bottom in a force put forth by the UCP, especially if current cops just switched uniforms. Think, too, of the costs associated. They love throwing away money on their pet projects. Kenney isn't looking to make Alberta better, he's looking to privatize and give tax dollars to his donors.

I don't think a provincial force could make Alberta better, but it could doubtlessly make it worse.

[Pioneer2]

The less federal influence the better IMO.

[igorot]

Totally agree with the Provincial Police Force, as long as they are a Public Servant, not a Union Servant.

[Big Grey Wolf]

What is Kenney going to use for money to train and build a new second rate police force? I guess he will use All the surplus $$$ left over from the KXL pipeline.

[CMichaud]

Originally Posted by Big Grey Wolf

What is Kenney going to use for money to train and build a new second rate police force? I guess he will use All the surplus $$$ left over from the KXL pipeline.

He can start with this ie the current arrangement...

• Total cost of Provincial Police Service Agreement (PPSA) in 2018-19 = $374.7M

o This agreement is cost-shared between the Government of Canada (30%) and the Government of Alberta (70%).

o About 62% of all positions in the PPSA are considered frontline policing and includes general duty, traffic, and general investigative section.

• Total cost of Frontline officers in 2018-19 = $232.5M
o Federal 30% cost share = $69.7M
o Provincial 70% cost share = $162.8M

[ctd]

First thing they will have to do is build a proper training facility for their Officers. Right now the Calgary and Edmonton facility's would not be able to keep up with the requirement of training a entire province worth of Officers. Not to mention the fiasco over the Provincial Training Facility years ago.

They can badge over Sheriffs, Peace Officers, RCMP etc. But they still will not have the capacity to staff a fully functioning complement of front line Officers with out having a dedicated training College. Plus they will be short of Staff to fill those positions they robbed from.
Just look West to Surrey and their issues they are having trying to implement a City Police force. Cost overruns, issues hiring staff.

We will be into a Police for of half a billion dollars or more to properly set one up.

What I would like to see is if the Province would start to work on a lets say a Rural Police Force. Build a new training facility and then Hire 100-200 Officers to start looking after the hot spots of Rural crime. Then slowly build upon that capacity. Offer Policing to smaller Communities/ Towns. Keep expanding that way.
Before any of that goes forward we need to address the the Court system and the lack of time served for criminals. The revolving door so to speak needs to be addressed by the Province. We can hire 1000 new Officers, but they are only chasing their tails if the system, can not support their efforts.

The RCMP will not fully leave the Province, they will still be here for major crimes, specialty services.

[243 wild cat]

Originally Posted by nimrod

they can do what ever they want, i believe the province needs to give the rcmp 2 years to get out of alberta, notice must have been given to the rcmp, no more east influence for the west, and we have our own gun guy in the big house i believe.

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[243 wild cat]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The less that we have to do with Ottawa or the RCMP, the better.

Yes this is definitely a fact!!

[32-40win]

Don`t forget that in a gov`t organization like the RCMP or the military, that above a certain level the job becomes all about optics and politics and admin and budgets, not the actual act of fighting crime. The RCMP won`t be going far, they have federal and interprovincial duties to perform within the province, their footprint will be smaller, but, they`ll still be here. They`ll just be based in maybe 2 to 5 places, but, still working on the border and drug smuggling and various white collar crimes and PSD`s and the like, that transcend provincial and international boundaries, and will be interacting with provincial LEO`s. So, there will be a cadre within the provincial LEO force that does little but admin and politics between the various entities across the country. Should AB be using existing, separate training for the various municipal services and the provincial force or setting up a training center that does all police forces in the province, and have them all on the same page perhaps.