New low for the federal NDP

[Dacotensis]

Bloody disgusting.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politic...arty-1.2486020

[CaberTosser]

The jokes on them, how many NDP supporters are financially stable enough to part with government money? And for that matter have any NDP supporters ever turned away a government cheque? It akin to requesting a fox to not raid the chicken coop.

[Lefty-Canuck]

It's the Socialist NDP way!

Government give you money....you give money back, Government use your money to tell you how to spend your money!

LC

[CaberTosser]

The NDP have got to be utterly pathetic at fundraising if the party is begging for people to hand over government (read taxpayer) money. They can't even finance their own party yet want to manage our national finances?

[hillbillyreefer]

The government doesn't have money. They steal from the people and then give it back to us. Most citizens are stupid and believe they are getting free money.

[Dog hunter]

Seems on par for the ndp as far as i am concerned. I just hope those who support ndp are paying attention!

[recce43]

angry tom needs to pay off his mortgages again or he will have to refinance again . and he wants to run our country but is unable to keep his own finances in check

[bobalong]

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[Luxor]

Unfriggnbelievable !!!!!!!

Is there no shame in their tactics ????

Guess they'll be asking senior citizens for their pension cheques next.

Then go after school kids' lunch money.

How pathetic and low class can they stoop ?

Are Dipper supporters feeling good these days??

[Luxor]

Originally Posted by bobalong

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Cmon bob......spit it out !!

We'd love to here from the Dipper advocates.

[Wild&Free]

Conservatives attempting to buy votes with taxable 'benefit' cheques isn't disgusting?

[recce43]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

Conservatives attempting to buy votes with taxable 'benefit' cheques isn't disgusting?

better than dippers raising my taxes and trying to take me guns away

[elkivory]

Read the article, made me barf

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by recce43

angry tom needs to pay off his mortgages again or he will have to refinance again . and he wants to run our country but is unable to keep his own finances in check

You inspired me to look that up, the guy re-mortgaged 11 times on the same $58k house and wants to run the nation?........

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...ce-early-1980s

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by recce43

better than dippers raising my taxes and trying to take me guns away

you do realize that the after tax benefit of the UCCB is about 8-10$ per month on average.

I hope you also realize that with how the economy functions that taxes going up is an inevitability that no party can stop without changing the foundational mechanics of monetary policy. something no party is bringing into the spotlight, or campaigning on.

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

You inspired me to look that up, the guy re-mortgaged 11 times on the same $50k house and wants to run the nation?........

reinvesting equity is a bad thing?

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

reinvesting equity is a bad thing?

Are you a financial advisor?

This is the role of government in the modern age: take money from you, keep a handsome finders fee for themselves and all their cronies, give a small portion of the money to their voters while telling you what terrific guys they are for doing so, then asking for some of it back for their own personal use, while they're fixing to take another mitt full of money out of your newly replenished (from your labour) bank account.

The NDP are of course the most brazen and despicable of the lot.

[recce43]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

reinvesting equity is a bad thing?

Lol golly gee whiz maybe I will hire the foreigner I mean canadian who knows what he is . to do my banking for me maybe I should go ask my bank if I can re mortgage my house 11 times and at the same time where do I register my guns

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

reinvesting equity is a bad thing?

Paying it off is better. You think the interest on an investment is going to exceed compounded mtge interest with payments forward weighted towards interest over principal? hahahha that's priceless. The simple interest of a HELOC mayyybe given a good investment, but no freaking way with a mtge. This is exactly how he plans to run Canada into the ground.

[huntinstuff]

I actually don't blame him for asking

He is simply assessing what his sheep will do for him.

If you can convince a single mother to give you money over using it for her kids, what else will she do for you?

I think Mulcair is brilliant. He is showing the world how stupid Canadians are. And he is doing a great job.

[elkivory]

Originally Posted by huntinstuff

I actually don't blame him for asking

He is simply assessing what his sheep will do for him.

If you can convince a single mother to give you money over using it for her kids, what else will she do for you?

I think Mulcair is brilliant. He is showing the world how stupid Canadians are. And he is doing a great job.

If Canada follows Alberta's lead, I will never vote again!

[huntinstuff]

Originally Posted by elkivory

If Canada follows Alberta's lead, I will never vote again!

ISIS will be on the ballot.

Or the New Greener Party

Or the NDP Reformed

Or the Not So PC Party

Or the Libertarians

I like None of the Above

[ssyd]

Originally Posted by Luxor

Unfriggnbelievable !!!!!!!

Is there no shame in their tactics ????

Guess they'll be asking senior citizens for their pension cheques next.

Then go after school kids' lunch money.

How pathetic and low class can they stoop ?

Are Dipper supporters feeling good these days??

Nope. I was shocked at the provincial win, shook my head when they started predicting federal success and now I'm flat out embarrassed to have ever supported them.

Like a lot of Albertans, I wanted the dynasty to end but the opposition was apathetic with a defeatist attitude, sending hopeless candidate after hopeless candidate for years. The only other (even remotely) viable choice in Alberta politics is the party we only keep around to prove that we don't practice two-party politics here. Unfortunately we had a perfect storm of mediocrity where protest votes ended up deciding an election.

I'm still young, I learned my lesson. I still won't support the corrupt and entitled Alberta Conservatives but I'll rethink an NDP vote next election. This is how voter apathy starts.

[Luxor]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

reinvesting equity is a bad thing?

Wow !!!!!!

I would not have thought it possible to positively reinforce this heinous request.

You scare me

[Luxor]

Originally Posted by ssyd

Nope. I was shocked at the provincial win, shook my head when they started predicting federal success and now I'm flat out embarrassed to have ever supported them.

Like a lot of Albertans, I wanted the dynasty to end but the opposition was apathetic with a defeatist attitude, sending hopeless candidate after hopeless candidate for years. The only other (even remotely) viable choice in Alberta politics is the party we only keep around to prove that we don't practice two-party politics here. Unfortunately we had a perfect storm of mediocrity where protest votes ended up deciding an election.

I'm still young, I learned my lesson. I still won't support the corrupt and entitled Alberta Conservatives but I'll rethink an NDP vote next election.

Good repentance son.
You are absolved of your sins

[huntinstuff]

Originally Posted by ssyd

Nope. I was shocked at the provincial win, shook my head when they started predicting federal success and now I'm flat out embarrassed to have ever supported them.

Like a lot of Albertans, I wanted the dynasty to end but the opposition was apathetic with a defeatist attitude, sending hopeless candidate after hopeless candidate for years. The only other (even remotely) viable choice in Alberta politics is the party we only keep around to prove that we don't practice two-party politics here. Unfortunately we had a perfect storm of mediocrity where protest votes ended up deciding an election.

I'm still young, I learned my lesson. I still won't support the corrupt and entitled Alberta Conservatives but I'll rethink an NDP vote next election.

You are correct. The PC's had to go. No doubt about it. And I carry their card.

The cost of getting them out will prove high. And there will be long term ramifications of an NDP Alberta. Most of it not good.

But, the PC's had to go. It's like loosing an arm to cancer or leaving it and losing your life.
Long term ramifications.

I'm still amazed that someone from Fairview is Premier. And one of my substitute teachers is the Energy Minister .......

If a UFO landed in my yard, I'd be like "meh"......

[3blade]

Originally Posted by huntinstuff

I actually don't blame him for asking

He is simply assessing what his sheep will do for him.

If you can convince a single mother to give you money over using it for her kids, what else will she do for you?

I think Mulcair is brilliant. He is showing the world how stupid Canadians are. And he is doing a great job.

I can think of a few things. She's probably done most of em. Not getting banned today

[huntinstuff]

Originally Posted by 3blade

I can think of a few things. She's probably done most of em. Not getting banned today

It's how the male maggots operate.

Keep pushing until you find your victims saturation level. Then apologize, buy her a gift, and all is great again. Now you know what you can get away with and if you go too far, you know she can be bought.

Easy.

[JamesB]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

you do realize that the after tax benefit of the UCCB is about 8-10$ per month on average.

I hope you also realize that with how the economy functions that taxes going up is an inevitability that no party can stop without changing the foundational mechanics of monetary policy. something no party is bringing into the spotlight, or campaigning on.

Explain to me how $60 per month nets out to $10. I am anxious to see how you work that out.
The UCCB is paid out to all who qualify. It is a taxable benefit, so those that make the most get the least out of it. However even those at the highest tax bracket see some benefit from it, and more than $10. Those at the lowest brackets see the most benefit.
I hope you can see that taxes going up is only inevitable if the system is not fundamentally changed. The current system of loopholes and benefits allows the government to distort markets and reward friends. It has to go, and be replaced by either a flat tax on income and/or a better consumption tax system. Until then taxes can continue to rise and fall as the government in power seeks to reward those who vote for it.

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by JamesB

Explain to me how $60 per month nets out to $10. I am anxious to see how you work that out.
The UCCB is paid out to all who qualify. It is a taxable benefit, so those that make the most get the least out of it. However even those at the highest tax bracket see some benefit from it, and more than $10. Those at the lowest brackets see the most benefit.
I hope you can see that taxes going up is only inevitable if the system is not fundamentally changed. The current system of loopholes and benefits allows the government to distort markets and reward friends. It has to go, and be replaced by either a flat tax on income and/or a better consumption tax system. Until then taxes can continue to rise and fall as the government in power seeks to reward those who vote for it.

well, it doesn't take a lot of looking to find countless articles and reports detailing the after tax benefit of the UCCB being as small as I've outlined.

As for your suggestions about a flat tax and better VATs, you've completely missed the mark. It's not about taxation, it's about production and consumption vs. credit and debt. The value of what's produced is always higher then the wages, salaries and dividends/ROI that are paid out through that production. This means there is more on the market then what people/business/government can afford to consume. This gap is filled with credit from future production cycles. Future production cycles which produce more value then they make available through dividends and the gap gets a little wider and is filled with the credit again, and again and again. eventually the amount of debt that exists from filling this gap is so large that the future production of an entire generation has already been spent and is owed to the previous generation of spenders...