Is the .270 the best? I think so. - Page 3

redranger15 · #61 12-10-2010, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 220swifty

The 6.5-06 shoots flatter, the 280 hits harder. The 270 is a bastard that was adopted by a famous writer.

I thought sheephunter adopted the 270wsm

elkhunter11 · #62 12-10-2010, 12:04 PM

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I thought sheephunter adopted the 270wsm

I think that he meant famous outside of the Alberta Outdoorsman.

justinO · #63 12-10-2010, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The 130gr Barnes in .308" has a very low B.C.,and the 110gr Barnes in .277" isn't a lot better.The result is a high muzzle velocity,but both lose velocity quickly,and wind drift suffers from such a low B.C.The end result is that neither load is great for longer range shooting.

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buckman · #64 12-10-2010, 01:01 PM

I have shot everthing from gofers to moose with my old .270 mod 70 winchester. It has on occaision reched out toclose to 400 yds and killed moose and elk(broadside shots) Most of the kills have been one shot and quick. The bullet 130 or 150gn nosler partition 52-54 grains of 4350.

I also shoot a Weatherby 300, if I had to give one of the rifles up it would not be the.270. Its a great caliber, and yes if I had to shoot a grizz with it I wouldn't feel under gunned.

220swifty · #65 12-10-2010, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I think that he meant famous outside of the Alberta Outdoorsman.

Or famous at all.

#66 12-10-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 220swifty

Or famous at all.

Hey, I'm famous in my Mom's eyes! She says I'm her favourite son.

220swifty · #67 12-10-2010, 01:42 PM

Well you have one on me, I have competition that still lives at home with mom.

#68 12-10-2010, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 220swifty

Well you have one on me, I have competition that still lives at home with mom.

The key is not to have any competition!

220swifty · #69 12-10-2010, 02:11 PM

Well i tried several times when we were younger. He still isnt a big fan of swimming.

jim-bo · #70 12-10-2010, 02:56 PM

I have decided that this entire thread is flawed (just like all the rest), if the 270 win/wsm is the perfect caliber, then whats the point of owning other rifles?

I can legally take any big game animal in AB with a 243 win.

But where is the fun in that? I could shoot a buffalo with 30-06 sprg. but wouldn't I rather shot it with something nostalgic like a 45-70 gov or 50-100 sharps, stick it with an arrow or hit it with a smoke pole? Deer with the classic 30-30 win?

Can't use one of those fancy WSM's in the primitive weapon seasons now can you?

How bout Africa, can't use that precious 270 WSM on Cape Buffalo, or hippo, not that it wouldn't do the trick, at least theoretically.

I understand that it you think the 270 wsm is slicker than sh*t, but do you see my point? Firearms are tools, and yes one hammer can pound any nail, but do you want to restrict yourself to only one tool...

#71 12-10-2010, 02:57 PM

Likely best to take this entire thread with a grain of salt jim-bo. I know I did

redranger15 · #72 12-10-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sheephunter

Likely best to take this entire thread with a grain of salt jim-bo. I know I did

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elkhunter11 · #73 12-10-2010, 04:10 PM

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Likely best to take this entire thread with a grain of salt jim-bo. I know I did

The opinions expressed in these forums are worth every penny that you paid for them.

But they do make for some entertaining discussion.

couleefolk · #74 12-10-2010, 05:57 PM

interesting thread. Yeah, I have been shooting 270win's since I was a young teen, about 20 years ago, it didn't kick hard and they shoot well. Best caliber? everything has a place it shines, even the heavy guy at the end of a tug of war rope or the skinny guy on thin ice. If you ask how many people i know are shooting the 270 in my area, i can name at least 9 off the top of my head, but i do not know anyone shooting a 7mm-08(i would like to try one for my wife's deer outfit), and have only met up with one 280AI. When i go the local store, 270 ammo is stocked. For only one highpower, 270 is nice, has accessible ammo, and if you do have trouble, there are several guys out my way to discuss 270 issues. I have access to .222 up to .375 H&H, and enjoy different calibers for different things, but since my first highpower was 270 that usually was at 1/2"@100, well.....

WkndWarrior · #75 12-10-2010, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sheephunter

Likely best to take this entire thread with a grain of salt jim-bo. I know I did

What?? Are you saying it's not really Chuck Norris approved?

That's it I'm jumping on the .06 boat then, I heard it really was Chuck Norris approved.lol

Mxyzptik · #76 12-10-2010, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Daryl S

I prefer 6.5's in small bores and have no use for mediums. For mose big game shooting, I prefer 9.3mm or .375".

No real use for a .270 as it won't do anything a 6.5 can't.

No body (of note) uses a .270 for serious shooting, but many use the 6.5's, to and in excess of 1,000 yard shooting, target and game. The result is higher overall quality of bullet jackets. The result is better accuracy - overall.

Daryl

I was staying out of it until now. NOBODY OF NOTE USES A 270 ???

That's where you're wrong I DO !

ecellitti · #77 12-10-2010, 11:44 PM

"30-06-old mans gun, 280- whats that? JK, 7mm can't get a short barrel and lot's of recoil, 300 way to much, over kill, way too dead. 270wsm perfect."

Are you kidding me about the 30-06 being a "old mans gun"? Looking at Hornadys web page it seems to me that theres nearly twice the loadings for the 30-06 as there are for the 270 Win. And the old saying goes "things get better with age", I think that applys to the 30-06. With new powders out there it just keeps getting better and better.

When we talk about he ballistics of the 270 Win and compare it to the old 30-06, out to 400 yards its not even worth talking about. The difference is so small that the average shooter would not be able to take advantage of the slightly better ballistics that the 270 Win can provide.

After taking some notes from Hornadys web site comparing the 270 Win 150gr SST Superformance and the 30-06 150gr SST Superformance out to 400 yards the difference is minute. When both are zeroed at 200 yards the 270 will offer 3/10 of an inch less drop and when we step it out to 400 yards it only grows to 1.3 inches.

So really it sounds like folks are trying to split hairs on this topic which has been hottly debated for the past 50 years or so. I like the 270, and think that its a fine cartridge, I mean after all its based off of the 30-06 platform, and if I had to choose a cartridge to use besides the 30-06, it would be with out a doubt the 270 Win.

With the advancemets in bullets and powders that are available, they allow both the 270 and 30-06 to be viable contenders in the future when compared to some of the newer rounds out there. They both are tried and true, and have millions of loyal fans that have been using them for generations, and will be around for many generations to come.

smith88 · #78 12-11-2010, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by gergarin

All of these are personal prefferences. If I had only one gun to choose from well it would be the 30-06 over the 270. The larger bullet width delivers greater foot energy than the narrower bullet. Remember it is Lbs per sq. inch. or lbs over sq in. As the 06 is greater in diameter it delivers greater force as it covers a larger area. Even though the ballistic chart says different.

Let me say this as an exageration of that point. Which would you rather be hit with, a BB doing 48,000 ft per second delivering 30,000 ft lbs per sq inch or a canon ball doing 1100 ft per sec delivering 10,000 lbs per sq inch of energy.

Ya I thought so too.

Terminal bullet performance has more to do with energy than PSI.

If the .270 bullet and the .30/06 bullet were traveling at the same speed and had the same weight, so the same energy, the .270 would deliver more PSI than the .30/06 bullet. This is because the energy, ft-lbs, divided over a smaller area which would result in more PSI.

A BB travelling fast enough would still kill you if you were hit in the right spot.

ecellitti · #79 12-11-2010, 04:27 AM

Is there really truly a "best" cartridge though?

Traps · #80 12-11-2010, 09:57 AM

smith, pressure is force/area, ft-lbs/area is energy intensity

Lomondk · #81 12-11-2010, 03:01 PM

"Is there really truly a "best" cartridge though?"
um.... one could always say the .50 BMG its good for everything up to and including airplanes........
just saying if we are going to pick a "best ever" lets go over the top

ecellitti · #82 12-11-2010, 03:30 PM

I dont think that there is a "Best" out there. Are there better, sure, but not best.
I mean really is a 25-06, 270, 308, 30-06 any better or effective on deer than say a 30-30 or 35 Rem out to 100 yards or so? I really doubt it. Are they better for brown bear than say a stout 45-70 load? I doubt that as well.

nerka992003 · #83 12-11-2010, 05:06 PM

when I look at those WSM cartridges they just remind me of short fat women.........I like the taller skinnier ones, just another point of view

ecellitti · #84 12-11-2010, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nerka992003

when I look at those WSM cartridges they just remind me of short fat women.........I like the taller skinnier ones, just another point of view

Good point of view! I like that one.

smith88 · #85 12-11-2010, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Traps

smith, pressure is force/area, ft-lbs/area is energy intensity

Force equal mass times acceleration. In terms of bullets mass is the bullet weight and when it hits a target the bullet slows down, which is the accerlation, well deccerlation. So the energy and force transfers from the bullet to the target when hit. So there is energy transfer but there is also force and force over area is pressure. Type energy intensity into google, you don't come up with anything relating to force or an flying objects energy....
PM me if you need a physics lesson...

Got Juice? · #86 12-11-2010, 11:02 PM

.475 Wildey Magnum. 300 Grain, 1700fps out of a 12" barrel... 'nuff said.

Oh wait... it's a handgun

ecellitti · #87 12-12-2010, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Juice?

.475 Wildey Magnum. 300 Grain, 1700fps out of a 12" barrel... 'nuff said.

Oh wait... it's a handgun

Havent seen that thing before. It must be the best though...right?

Got Juice? · #88 12-12-2010, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ecellitti

Havent seen that thing before. It must be the best though...right?

I'd love to pull the trigger on it just once. After that, I think that it would become a safe queen.

redranger15 · #89 12-12-2010, 08:12 AM

Too bad it wasn't a 270wsm.

nanuk-O-dah-Nort · #90 12-14-2010, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mad_Mikee

there is a limited selection of bullets available when reloading for the 270. I prefer the 30 cals and 7mm's.

But when you have a 150gr partition, that is all you will ever need