List of Banned Guns

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

But it does make me wonder who the clowns were that drafted up this list.

With a lot of people working from home these days (including Government workers), I'm guessing there is a lot of day-drinking going on...



(Best explanation I could think of)

[saskbooknut]

There was nothing hasty about this OIC.
They have had more than 2 years to draft it.
It is more than good enough as a political starter, since they can fine tune regulations at any time.
The Liberals are setting up for an election that they think will give them a majority. This is a fundamental plank.
The Conservative Party couldn't win an election with the Liberals on the ropes with scandals.
Nothing has changed in the Conservative's favour for a majority.
In case you haven't noticed, this ban is popular.
Changing national perception of this ban before the next election will be very difficult.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by saskbooknut

There was nothing hasty about this OIC.
They have had more than 2 years to draft it.
It is more than good enough as a political starter, since they can fine tune regulations at any time.
The Liberals are setting up for an election that they think will give them a majority. This is a fundamental plank.
The Conservative Party couldn't win an election with the Liberals on the ropes with scandals.
Nothing has changed in the Conservative's favour for a majority.
In case you haven't noticed, this ban is popular.
Changing national perception of this ban before the next election will be very difficult.

The ban is not as popular as many people believe. Polls were conducted using very carefully selected locations, to ensure that they got the results that they wanted. One poll that I saw was conducted in nine large cities, and even then, they only had the majority of support in four of those.

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by saskbooknut

There was nothing hasty about this OIC.
They have had more than 2 years to draft it.
It is more than good enough as a political starter, since they can fine tune regulations at any time.
The Liberals are setting up for an election that they think will give them a majority. This is a fundamental plank.
The Conservative Party couldn't win an election with the Liberals on the ropes with scandals.
Nothing has changed in the Conservative's favour for a majority.
In case you haven't noticed, this ban is popular.
Changing national perception of this ban before the next election will be very difficult.

That’s utterly daft to suggest. The conservatives would have won the last election has it not been for the Gerrymandering and inequity in our voting system. The huge discrepancy in population per MP between provinces alone should render the election results null & void

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The ban is not as popular as many people believe. Polls were conducted using very carefully selected locations, to ensure that they got the results that they wanted. One poll that I saw was conducted in nine large cities, and even then, they only had the majority of support in four of those.

And that’s after a misinformation campaign using our own money. Imagine the results if the Liberals didn’t spread intentional lies!

[saskbooknut]

The Conservatives lost the last election because they could not significantly win seats in Ontario and Quebec, which by their size, are pivotal.
They fielded a lame leader, unclear or weak policies and alienated swing voters. They lost.
The Liberals think they have a winning strategy here.
They probably do.
Unless the Conservatives can mobilize resources they have not shown for a while, we are going to be ruled by the Liberals heavy hand.

[darren32]

Originally Posted by Redneck 7

Maccabee SLR isn’t on there but boy oh boy imagine being caught out shooting legally with the few that slip through the cracks. What a headache that would be.

If it's not on the list (but probably should be) you would be fine to use it until it is added to the list would you not? Legally speaking.

[Twobucks]

Originally Posted by saskbooknut

The Conservatives lost the last election because they could not significantly win seats in Ontario and Quebec, which by their size, are pivotal.
They fielded a lame leader, unclear or weak policies and alienated swing voters. They lost.
The Liberals think they have a winning strategy here.
They probably do.
Unless the Conservatives can mobilize resources they have not shown for a while, we are going to be ruled by the Liberals heavy hand.

I might quibble a little here or there, but you’re not wrong. The swing voter problem was a big one.

[gunsnroses]

Quebec was a problem as it has been for 100 yrs. But the election loss was signed sealed and delivered by Ontario folks because they were ****ed off at Ford at that time and campaigned heavily against all conservatives

[saskbooknut]

In part, the election was delivered to the Liberals by getting out their vote in the GTA ridings where they had the upper hand.
Doug Ford wisely stayed out of the Federal election because he saw that his input would be a liability to the Conservatives.
Andrew Scheer, as leader, did not make a significant dent in the Liberals support.
The Conservative Party failed to capitalize on the long list of Liberal scandals which should have been to their advantage. They spent more time playing to their base of supporters than trying to win over undecided voters, whom they desperately needed.
There are two components to winning an election - putting forward people and policies that appeal widely to the electorate, and getting out the vote.
The Liberals fielded the better election team.

[elkhunter11]

It has just been pointed out to me, that if your 12 gauge has removable chokes, when you remove the choke, the bore is large enough to make the shotgun a banned firearm.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Yup time to wake up...if you haven’t already, 10 and 12 gauge firearms exceed the 20mm bore diameter listed under the ban.

https://www.csaaa.org/blair-bans-12-...Txyet6lrWXetHs

LC

[kujoseto]

Not that I don’t think this govt is completely looney, but I don’t think those shotgun diameters are on the ban. I think we need to be careful what info we spread or we will be rejected by people we need the support of to get anywhere on this. 10 ga bore is .780 inch isn’t it? So if the whole tube is under the 20mm (.787”) rule except for where the choke tube goes, I don’t think they would use the larger diameter. Think of a musket haha.
Not that I anticipate any common sense from the govt but we need the support of non gun owners to understand what is wrong with this ban. There are enough facts and reasons with this that we do not need to step into frantic spreading of info that later gets “fact checked” (hate that phrase) and then the whole thing dismissed because of an apathetic population writing us off as crazy gun people.

While they are at it, they should make murder, drinking and driving, and texting while driving illegal in order to stop it from happening.

[marlin1]

am I right to assume the SKS is not on the list? Whats the reasoning here ? Not accurate enough? lol

[FellSwoop]

I suspect that means that most double trigger double rifles are now illegal too. Anything over 5000J per cartridge if you can pull both at the same time.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by FellSwoop

I suspect that means that most double trigger double rifles are now illegal too. Anything over 5000J per cartridge if you can pull both at the same time.

In reality no , because the 10,000 juels is measured and gauged for a single bullet not two .
Cat

[FellSwoop]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

In reality no , because the 10,000 juels is measured and gauged for a single bullet not two .
Cat

You are correct, it states "projectile energy"

[SnipeHunter]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

In reality no , because the 10,000 juels is measured and gauged for a single bullet not two .
Cat

Still a question remains for actions that are capable of 10kJ with a swap to .460 weatherby.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by SnipeHunter

Still a question remains for actions that are capable of 10kJ with a swap to .460 weatherby.

That is a complete desperate issue for sure and an important one .
Perfect example is the RPA Quadlock- a single shot bolt action 308 designed for Palma iron sighted or F/TR scope sighted matches .
This rifle is now a prohib because it is said it is available in .50 BMG which it is not . The action that RPA builds for the .50 is the RPA50 which is enormous compared to the Quadlock
Cat

[Athabasca1]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

That is a complete desperate issue for sure and an important one .
Perfect example is the RPA Quadlock- a single shot bolt action 308 designed for Palma iron sighted or F/TR scope sighted matches .
This rifle is now a prohib because it is said it is available in .50 BMG which it is not . The action that RPA builds for the .50 is the RPA50 which is enormous compared to the Quadlock
Cat

The issue is that the example you illustrated and many others including a Weatherby Mark 5 in .460 Wby mag were never ever considered to be military assault weapons.

[quasi]

is time for Alberta to play the not withstanding card on this issue.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Athabasca1

The issue is that the example you illustrated and many others including a Weatherby Mark 5 in .460 Wby mag were never ever considered to be military assault weapons.

Nope you are absolutely correct !
In fact no rifle in .50 BMG that I know of can be considered portable like a standard shoulder fired , select fire assault weapon for that matter
Cat

[sfaxien]

Wow all the good gun are banned.

[Dick284]

Originally Posted by marlin1

am I right to assume the SKS is not on the list? Whats the reasoning here ? Not accurate enough? lol

Too many used by aboriginals, and too many just out there. Plus no hi profile shootem ups with them either.

But wait, the hand wringers aren’t done yet...........

[SnipeHunter]

Originally Posted by Dick284

Too many used by aboriginals, and too many just out there. Plus no hi profile shootem ups with them either.

But wait, the hand wringers aren’t done yet...........

Yep, they've taken credit for banning military assault weapons in 1979, 1995, and 2020. Why would they stop there?

[SnipeHunter]

Originally Posted by quasi

is time for Alberta to play the not withstanding card on this issue.

Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. The clause allows the provinces to take away your charter rights, not the federal government's legislative scope. Firearms are federally legislated so anything the province does has to fit with 'ultra vires'.

[thirty-30]

No high profile shootups?

Bryer Schmegelsky and Kam McLeod?

It's yet another piece of liberal hypocrisy on the subject.

[JonC]

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[ken1989]

Here is a list of cartridges which exceed 10,000 joules.

Cartridge name Muzzle Energy (Joules)

.50 BMG 15,000

.510 DTC 14,870

.500 TLD 15,000

.460 Steyr 15,000

.416 TYR 10,500

.416 Barrett 14,250

.408 Cheyenne Tactical 10,500

.375 Cheyenne Tactical 10,000

.700 H&H Nitro Express 14,325

.600 Nitro Express 10,323

.460 Weatherby Magnum 10,605

4 Bore rifle* 10,500 Also prohibited due to bore diameter in excess of 20mm.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Dick284

Too many used by aboriginals, and too many just out there. Plus no hi profile shootem ups with them either.

But wait, the hand wringers aren’t done yet...........

Exactly, the firearms owners that do support the bans may change their opinion down the road as the list grows, and all semi autos and pump actions are banned. But by that time, t will be too late to stop the nonsense.