Trudeau government poised to introduce new gun-control legislation

[IronNoggin]

The Liberal government is poised to introduce legislation as early as next week aimed at strengthening gun control.

The long−promised bill would flesh out last spring’s ban of many firearms, propose stricter storage provisions and target gun smuggling.

The government outlawed a variety of firearms by cabinet order in May, saying they were built for the battlefield, not hunting or sport−shooting.

The ban covers some 1,500 models and variants of what the government considers assault−style weapons, meaning they can no longer be legally used, sold or imported.

The bill is expected to propose a program to buy back these firearms at fair market value, but allow owners to keep them with strict conditions.

The government has long signalled its intention to empower municipalities to manage the storage and use of handguns within their individual jurisdictions, given that they have different needs and concerns.

https://www.kelownanow.com/news/news...l_legislation/

[DiabeticKripple]

I would bet central storage is part of this bill.

Mass non-compliance is the only answer.

[riden]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

I would bet central storage is part of this bill.

Mass non-compliance is the only answer.

Good way to end gun smuggling. Why smuggle them when you can steal them from a central storage facility?

[Puma]

Looks like the Bill is scheduled to be presented on Tuesday.

[Twisted Canuck]

Bohica. That's what happens when a couple youngsters get shot in the NE of Montreal, and down on Jane and Finch (Canada's most popular outdoor shooting range). Goddamn stupid ignorant Liberal government. They will just keep making more and more useless stupid restrictive laws that will accomplish absolutely nothing as far as making Canada safer. But they are going to try and disarm the law abiding. Some may not choose to be disarmed though.

[zabbo]

Definition of insanity; doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result. The turd keeps passing more and more laws restricting guns, but the homicides continue. Can't comprehend that criminals, by definition, don't care about laws. One thing he will accomplish is disarming much of the population and making criminals of those that refuse to comply!

Duuuuhoo canada!

[CaberTosser]

Yet another example of how incompetent the Liberals are. They’re obsessed with firearm bans that will be completely ineffective so far as crime reduction goes. It’s also just another diversionary attempt to sway attention away from their massive failures on jobs, the economy and their pathetic Covid-19 response.

Now the article I read suggest that the ‘buy-back’ won’t be mandatory and that they’ll leave a lot of the targeted firearms in their owners possession if the owners don’t want to sell, which essentially proves that the owners aren’t a threat and they’re both clueless and spineless. If the firearms they’re targeting are as evil as they claim, how could they leave them in the possession of citizens? The answer is obvious, the firearms are not the problem and they know it, they’re just backing down from dealing with the problems that would arise from mass confiscation. They’re just doing what Liberals do, they’re loudly signaling their virtue “Hey look, we banned those evil guns that we keep going on about, despite not actually knowing anything about them, except of course what we’re told by people who also don’t know anything about them. We’ve banned them but will be leaving them with their owners anyways because statistics show that they’re not the problem” (italics are silent, but inferred by their action)

[J_Impact]

Originally Posted by riden

Good way to end gun smuggling. Why smuggle them when you can steal them from a central storage facility?

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...iKW_6VsJnTRx7Q

[tri777]

Putting a Ban on dandelions would be just as effective..

[Arctic]

The Liberals are just idiots pandering to another bunch of idiots, and accomplishing nothing!
As always, gun control was introduced to detract attention from other back room deals that they didn't want scrutinized. Same as the last bout of gun control!

[huntinstuff]

Trudeau and that idiot Blair can come up with any scheme they want

I will never comply. Ever.

Those two need to be removed.

[zabbo]

Originally Posted by huntinstuff

Trudeau and that idiot Blair can come up with any scheme they want

I will never comply. Ever.

Those two need to be removed.

Removed from the gene pool. Any and all offspring as well! Many other lieberals also make the cut!

[graybeard]

The 8 steps to communism

Is some of this, not all, starting to look familiar to what the Turd is doing?...It gave me pause and I was sickened to think of such a thing could happen here....

These are the eight levels of controls by Saul Alinsky to transform a nation through socialism into communism.

1. Healthcare – control healthcare and you control the people.

2. Poverty – Increase the poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you provide everything for them to live.

3. Debt – Increase the debt level to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes and this will produce more poverty.

4. Gun control – Remove the ability to defend themselves from government. That way you are able to create a police state.[

5. Welfare – Take control of every aspect (food, housing, income) of their lives because that will make them fully dependent on the government.

6. Education – Take control of what people read and listen to and take control or what children learn in school.

7. Religion – Remove belief in God from the government and schools because the people need to believe in only the government knowing what is best for the people.

8. Class warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. Eliminate the middle class.

This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to tax the wealthy with the support of the poor.

It should be clear to all, how our nation is well on its way to winning its race to the bottom.

Is it our public servants in both political parties who are constitution-despising oath breakers?

Or, we the people who vote and remote them in office to sell us out?

https://www.mininggazette.com/opinio...-to-communism/

[zabbo]

Just tried to watch the turd and billy blunder unveil their new gun control law. Had to change the channel before it was over!

Randy Bo bandy, where's that big puke emoji of yours?? Greybeard that's a very interesting post you made.

Sad day for freedom in canukistan!

[58thecat]

good luck jackazz…..turn the country into criminals.....hmmm not a bad idea if you think about it as the criminals get treated better than law abiding citizens....shortly I will be wanted man.....gotta get a gangster name now.

[Ronaround]

YOU FOLKS NEED TO WAKE UP SOON!!
Your liberal Libtard and ours in the name of Biden aka CCP Joe.
have the same agenda.Remove guns and ammo.Take a firm stand and stay united.

[silvertip]

All I got to say is hang on....

Talk now is fall election, good chance more BS coming down the pipe

As a law abiding citizen, I just shake my head and shudder....

Good gawd!!!!!

[jesse34567]

They just stated firearms are being stolen from legal gun owners all the time. Whats the stats on that?

[AI 6.5]

Originally Posted by zabbo

Just tried to watch the turd and billy blunder unveil their new gun control law. Had to change the channel before it was over!

Randy Bo bandy, where's that big puke emoji of yours?? Greybeard that's a very interesting post you made.

Sad day for freedom in canukistan!

Same, had to shut it off . Didn’t want to pay for new tv.

[IronNoggin]

Well, they did it...

From this article: https://www.cp24.com/news/trudeau-go...bill-1.5310838

"Newly tabled gun legislation would allow municipalities to ban handguns through bylaws restricting their possession, storage and transportation. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says today the measures will be backed up with serious penalties to enforce these bylaws, including jail time for people who violate municipal rules."

Municipal Bylaws are now to circumvent the Federal Firearms Act, The Canadian Criminal Code, and the Constitution? You thought he was facing serious legally oriented backlash over the OIC, just wait until you see the line-up of Legal Beagles jumping at the chance to bite into this mess!

CTV's spin doesn't mention the handgun aspect, but does address the OIC Prohibitions:

Feds table firearms legislation with optional gun buyback program

"The federal government is moving forward with its promise to impose stricter gun laws today and will implement a voluntary buyback program to purchase now-prohibited firearms in the "coming months."

Owners of any of the 1,500 firearm models and their variants that the government reclassified as "prohibited" last May will have the option of keeping their weapon under strict storage rules or selling it to Ottawa.

Owners will be first be required to properly license and register their weapon, so authorities know how many are in the hands of the public and whether conditions are being followed.

The government did not provide a clear estimate of the cost of the program."

There is a hell of a lot to question right there...

If these weapons are so damned dangerous they had to be prohibited via a knee jerk OIC, why the hell would they be allowed to remain in legal owner's hands?

Why would anyone who owns a previously unrestricted firearm that landed on the Prohibited List run to inform the government of their ownership? What level of compliance do they think will be achieved here?

They can't produce a budget? More likely they don't want the public to become aware of the millions upon millions this fiasco will cost in an all for naught fumbling of dealing with firearm violence & criminal use in Canada.

Nog

[IronNoggin]

This article was published prior to True Dummy's act today. Deje Vue Moments, and VERY much worth the read:

Trudeau’s Gun Ban Showing Cracks As Firearms Community Makes Cultural Gains

"Recent limited victories against the Liberals planned ban of 1,500 models of rifles have all not been as a direct result of legal actions or legislative changes to the ban pushed by the Conservative opposition but is partially due to the Liberals having to moderate themselves in the face of a slowly increasingly pro-firearm rights public.

The main goal of anything done to stop the Liberals ban, such as the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights (CCFR) attempt to get a legal injunction against the ban, which despite not being granted by the judge, is to help raise more awareness of the issues and the inherently unfair and frankly unconstitutional actions of Justin Trudeau’s Liberals.

Recent indications Trudeau is backing down from making the gun buy-back program mandatory is not likely due to him independently changing his mind, but rather knowing his aggressive gun control measures are pushing the voting public towards the gun lobby and moderation will save him from losing a couple of percent off his polling numbers.

Wilson, talking about the issue of gangs in terms of Trudeau’s gun ban, stated:

This is a sign of a floundering government, either unable or unwilling to combat actual crime, but using it just the same to pander to their base with gun bans. Imagine the gang members reading these headlines or listening to the radio, knowing full well they are exempt from this impending legislation.

It would be foolish to argue that more licensed and responsible gun owners would make communities ravaged by gang violence less safe, and the gun-control lobby and Liberal government should be forced into making that ridiculous argument so that the Canadian general public sees they are not actually interested in upholding the public’s safety.

Non-firearms owners have a lot at stake when it comes to Trudeau’s harsh gun-control policies and they should be made aware that as a result they could also have their property rights eroded and safety compromised.

In the final analysis: if the firearms community and the gun lobby keep pushing back against the anti-firearms culture then the political battle to reverse Trudeau’s gun ban will be made a walk-over."

https://thenationaltelegraph.com/cul...cultural-gains

[IronNoggin]

The ensuing question being: If they have the power to ban hand guns municipally, will municipalities also have the power to approve open/concealed carry?

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by IronNoggin

The ensuing question being: If they have the power to ban hand guns municipally, will municipalities also have the power to approve open/concealed carry?

I think they should.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by IronNoggin

The ensuing question being: If they have the power to ban hand guns municipally, will municipalities also have the power to approve open/concealed carry?

The province/ municipality can add additional restrictions, but they can't bypass federal restrictions, so I doubt it.

[IronNoggin]

The actual Bill at First Reading for any who might be interested:

https://parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/43.../first-reading

Interesting creep. Now AirSoft "guns" have made the list...

Nog

[IronNoggin]

'The vast majority of gun crimes are committed with illegally obtained firearms': Conservatives respond to Trudeau gun ban

"Taking firearms away from law-abiding citizens does nothing to stop dangerous criminals and gangs who obtain their guns illegally," a statement from the Conservatives says.

https://thepostmillennial.com/the-va...rudeau-gun-ban

[IronNoggin]

An analysis of Bill C - 21:
Yesterday Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Public Safety Minister Bill Blair, Deputy PM Chrystia Freeland and Justice Minister David Lametti took to the airwaves to announce their sweeping new ‘gun control’ election platform, Bill C-21. https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/.../FullText.html

Before we look at what’s in Bill C-21, it’s important to take note of what’s not contained in this draft legislation.

Firearm Confiscation Compensation

Both the Prime Minister and the Minister of Public Safety said this legislation was required in order to implement their much-talked-about Firearm Confiscation Compensation program.

Not one line of Bill C-21 deals with funding for a compensation package for firearm owners who agree to surrender their legally-acquired firearms to the government.

Quote: “Details of a buyback program will be announced later.”

New Safe Storage Requirements

The federal government appears to leave any new firearm storage requirements in the hands of individual municipalities. Bill C-21 says an individual must store their firearms in compliance with any municipal storage requirements that may be issued.

Quote: “comply with strict storage conditions (to be prescribed) and confirm periodically they are still in compliance.”

So what’s in the bag?

Now we can get to what’s included in Bill C-21. This legislation will, if passed, redefine ‘replica firearm’ to include pellet and BB guns.

OnTwitter, Doctors for Protection from Guns moronically called these items “gateway guns” in their effort to demonize childhood. [ii]

Make it a criminal offence to unpin a “high-capacity” magazine:

Possession of a “high-capacity” magazine was already a crime. No explanation was offered for why we need a new criminal offence for these magazines.

Allow anyone to make an ‘ex parte’ application for a Firearms Prohibition Order against another person:

After decades of dealing with the current Firearms Act ‘red flag law’ we know many complaints are made to “get back at” or “punish” a former intimate partner, not because there is a legitimate fear for personal safety. The ‘ex parte’ application contained in Bill C-21 will likely see this percentage of abusive and baseless complaints rise significantly.

Allow police officers to enter your home without a warrant.

Bill C-21 will allow police officers to enter a home without a warrant to “search for and seize any such thing, and any authorization, licence or registration certificate relating to any such thing, that is held by or in the possession of the person.”

Note the legislation does not say the subject of these invasive measures must be a gun owner. All that’s required to set this train wreck in motion is for someone to lodge a complaint.

When the state can enter your home – “search for and seize any such thing” – without a warrant, we no longer live in a nation of laws. We live in a nation of cancel culture, wokeness and second-class citizens where anyone, not just firearm owners, can be attacked using this provision.

Increase the maximum penalty from 10 to 14 years for some Criminal Code offences.

Since the current penalties for Sections 95, 96, 99, 100 and 103 are almost certainly unconstitutional (the primary reason Private Members Bill C-238 was defeated last week), this change seems pointless since the penalties will be tossed out by the Supreme Court when they are eventually challenged. [iii]

Municipal Handgun Ban

The primary emphasis of Bill C-21 is to allow municipalities to ban handguns within their municipal boundaries and possibly the creation of so-called “central storage facilities” using existing firearm businesses.

(a) the individual must not — within the boundaries of a municipality — store a handgun at a place other than a business that is the holder of a licence that authorizes it to store prohibited firearms or restricted firearms, in the case where

(i) a by-law to that effect is in force in the municipality,

(ii) the municipality has notified the federal Minister, in the prescribed manner, of the passing of the by-law, and

(iii) the municipality has provided the prescribed information to the federal Minister, or a person designated by that Minister, in the prescribed manner;

The municipal handgun ban cannot take effect until 180 days after a notice is sent to the Minister “in the prescribed manner” and includes “the prescribed information” – neither of which is defined in C-21.

No Explanation for Constitutional Overreach

The federal government has no jurisdictions over cities as they are the creation of provincial authorities. The federal government does not explain how their patchwork handgun bans will survive a constitutional challenge.

These are some of the provisions contained in the Liberal Government’s pre-election platform on firearms.

Not one line of this legislation addresses criminal misuse of guns. It focuses entirely on licensed, RCMP-vetted, firearm owners – AGAIN!


http://web-extract.constantcontact.c...aq98YDyttad5Xc

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by IronNoggin

The ensuing question being: If they have the power to ban hand guns municipally, will municipalities also have the power to approve open/concealed carry?

like....

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The province/ municipality can add additional restrictions, but they can't bypass federal restrictions, so I doubt it.

dam you elk...was getting all happy like then you came along.

[IronNoggin]

A Lawyers speaks out regarding the AirSoft gun prohibitions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2oIWs_h3Vc