Danielle does it again

[Rvsask]

Originally Posted by roughneckin

I wonder how many of you recall this 10 years ago that are giving DS the big hoorah on this matter. I don’t care which way anyone votes it’s their own choice but having open discussions with students saying what she said in the article attached then flip flopping the other way makes me think she is just another puppet.

https://edmontonsun.com/2014/12/03/w...ight-alliances

All politicians are the same. Just wear different colours.

I’m going to assume that article accompanies the same video I watched where she gave a passionate plea in legislature to protect these very same people she is now giving pressers about, citing that often they have nowhere to go, aren’t accepted at home by their parents or community and often harm or kill themselves. She spoke of how kids as young as 12 can choose which parent they want to live with, how at 14 16 they can completely make their own educational decisions etc and how they should be considered mature enough to make such decisions if they can make ones related to where they live, who they sleep with, if they stay in school etc How one would watch that or read your link and not know that she is just a puppet controlled by some group (not parents, though the ones happy think it was for them) is baffling. WEF can clearly pull all of the turds strings but there’s just no way possible TBA is involved here. :

[I’d rather be outdoors]

Originally Posted by Rvsask

I’m going to assume that article accompanies the same video I watched where she gave a passionate plea in legislature to protect these very same people she is now giving pressers about, citing that often they have nowhere to go, aren’t accepted at home by their parents or community and often harm or kill themselves. She spoke of how kids as young as 12 can choose which parent they want to live with, how at 14 16 they can completely make their own educational decisions etc and how they should be considered mature enough to make such decisions if they can make ones related to where they live, who they sleep with, if they stay in school etc How one would watch that or read your link and not know that she is just a puppet controlled by some group (not parents, though the ones happy think it was for them) is baffling. WEF can clearly pull all of the turds strings but there’s just no way possible TBA is involved here. :

I’ve seen the light, how could we have been so wrong. You’re right, it’s better that the gov’t has control over our kids and parents are kept in the dark. Gotcha. Might as well vote for blackface & the NDP, and donate to the WEF while at it. Man, that just saves soo much effort. Whew.

Or…

It’s just good common sense that parents have to give consent and the left is having a little tantrum again.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by I’d rather be outdoors

I’ve seen the light, how could we have been so wrong. You’re right, it’s better that the gov’t has control over our kids and parents are kept in the dark. Gotcha. Might as well vote for blackface & the NDP, and donate to the WEF while at it. Man, that just saves soo much effort. Whew.

Or…

It’s just good common sense that parents have to give
consent and the left is having a little tantrum again.

The simple fact, is that social engineering is being used in schools and universities to recruit support for the left/globalists/WEF etc, and they don't want parents getting in the way.

[Rancid Crabtree]

Originally Posted by slough shark

I know this is only semi related but perhaps there ought to be some research as to why all of a sudden in the last decade or so this whole trans thing has skyrocketed in numbers. There has to be something that is causing this either some type of new medication that is being taken or something diet or food related. I’m not that old (43) and this was barely even on the radar when I was in school, it didn’t really even know what it was until 15 years ago much less know anyone who this was an issue for. Something is causing this and we need to find out what it is before we neuter a generation of kids.

I’d suggest it’s being driven by radical influences on popular youth culture and enabled by the moral erosion of the last 40 years.
People who don’t have a solid moral frame and understanding of their place in history are prime for a social contagion like this. And popular youth culture exalts the biggest freak as the most brave.

[I’d rather be outdoors]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The simple fact, is that social engineering is being used in schools and universities to recruit support for the left/globalists/WEF etc, and they don't want parents getting in the way.

Indeed, insidious at that (communism). Thank God for Danielle, the majority of Alberta supports her.

[WayneChristie]

Originally Posted by slough shark

I know this is only semi related but perhaps there ought to be some research as to why all of a sudden in the last decade or so this whole trans thing has skyrocketed in numbers. There has to be something that is causing this either some type of new medication that is being taken or something diet or food related. I’m not that old (43) and this was barely even on the radar when I was in school, it didn’t really even know what it was until 15 years ago much less know anyone who this was an issue for. Something is causing this and we need to find out what it is before we neuter a generation of kids.

the governments are causing this, its called division. the more people waste time on this the less time they can scrutinize the things the government (federal) is doing to screw the country. divide and conquer. everything they can throw out to muddy the waters they are doing. using our own children against us.

[muirsy]

I don't understand how this is a partisan issue in the slightest.

All of her points were very, very reasonable.

[trailraat]

Originally Posted by sns2

I honestly believe the majority of Alberta teachers are comfortable with this legislation. If we wanted to be psychologists, we wouldn’t have become teachers. Way above our pay grade.

I wish there were more vocal teachers with your perspective - unfortunately the ATA is run by the minority.

[roughneckin]

Originally Posted by muirsy

I don't understand how this is a partisan issue in the slightest.

All of her points were very, very reasonable.

I agree on a lot of it, even if some of it really is a red herring, except for the informing parents regarding their children’s choice of name or pronouns. Some kids feel safer at school than at home and this could give them the chance to dip their so called proverbial toe into the idea that this is what they want. If we know anything from high school some kids are brutal in their teasing and it will test their metal before they decide this is what they really want to do as an adult or before they inform their parents on their ideas. Plenty of kids try dumb crap before they tell their parents about it. This could easily be one of them.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Originally Posted by Dynamic

Okay so just for fun lets say we had 75 Albertans under the age of 18 get gender altering surgeries. I can almost guarantee you almost all of them did so with the support of their parents or somebody in their family. Its not like these kids are coordinating appointments with doctors, specialists, administrators all while going to school and being a kid. Its not going to NAPA and ordering a new exhaust people. And quite frankly if the kid has the ability to pull that off and somehow get a surgery worth hundreds of thousands of dollars without their parents they are pretty mature already, kind of half joking on that part. The part of legislation is a total non issue that didn't need to be one. Because kids going behind their parents backs to change their gender is not a widespread problem. But it is a nice piece of red meat for everyone to fight about while we slide some other stuff in the legislation that hopefully goes under the radar.

Which brings me to having parents having to "opt in" for sex education is probably the slimiest part and most dangerous part of the legislation. Sounds like teachers have to send home permission slips and have them signed (daily?) before teaching any topics on sexual education. From the party that introduced the "Red Tape Reduction". Oh the irony.

x2 and thank you for the common sense.

[edmsmith]

Originally Posted by muirsy

I don't understand how this is a partisan issue in the slightest.

All of her points were very, very reasonable.

It's not. Angus Reid polls said the results didn't change across political lines. There is 70 to 80% approval for parental rights of some sort.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Originally Posted by fishnguy

I will look deeper. But to start, from a brief overview, there is a puberty blocker stage that generally takes years and is basically reversible, which comes after evaluation and counselling (I would think counselling is an ongoing process for these people?). I don’t necessarily agree with your assessment of the “psychological stage”. I mean to see a psychologist or a counsellor on this issue is an indicator that there is a serious problem that the person is having with themselves, as well as (likely) with the society, maybe family, etc. I would also suggest that it isn’t likely that individuals in question necessarily want to be a “girl” or a “boy” and I would bet my house that most if not all would give everything away to “want to be” what they actually physically are.

I think that if someone says they feel like a girl and is asked the question of “why” is basically the same as a person coming to the doctor saying their stomach hurts and the doctor asking “why”. The person doesn’t know, which is why they came to see the counsellor or the doctor, so this question would not be appropriate: they feel like whatever they do or their stomach hurts because it does and they both want help. So a question like that is not going to provide any clues to solving the issue and helping the individual. If my kid, on the other hand, says that she hates her younger sister, I can ask her “why” because she (in all likelihood) knows because this feeling is a “learned” behaviour or reaction/feeling. The latter is true story and happened yesterday, lol.

I think the last argument you make doesn’t hold any water as far as reality goes. Do you know any psychologists? They are not there to “reassure” anyone of anything, but to figure out the issue and try to help the individual to the best of their abilities. I know this for a fact because my wife was a child and youth therapist/counsellor up until last year or so. It is a very complex field that requires quite a bit of education and experience, as well as a certain type of individual to be able to do it in the first place. I have heard many horrendous stories about things that happen to kids. Ironically, none included the people we are discussing here. Many if not most actually involved adults that were the primary cause, including parents, aunts and uncles, grandparents, etc. The reality is that whatever the issue is, it doesn’t work like people think, ie it’s ok and here is a pill and you will feel much better tomorrow. Like I said, it is extremely complex, even to the individuals with lifetime of experience.

In regard to “it’s ok”. Let’s assume that an individual comes to a psychologist and says that they feel a certain way. First thing to realize is that they didn’t come there because they feel fine and wanted to spread the love and good vibes. They clearly came there because there is something wrong or at the very least they feel like there is. So my best guess about these very individuals we are talking about is that they don’t come and say “I heard there is this therapy and I feel like it would be greatly beneficial to me, so I want to cut my peen/breasts off” (to which the counsellor replies “Hold on, person, what did you forget? A bucket of hormones (and Xanax), and then you will be set!”). So, when a person with some sort of mental distress comes and says certain feelings that they have give them distress (likely of the highest degree because otherwise they wouldn’t be there) and in return they here that these feelings are not ok… What would expect happen to the person? Especially if the person is a kid because this is who we are talking about here.



The problem surely exists, I should have worded it differently. I would also get right back at you with the first half of people you are referring to, namely those who “don’t know how to mind their own business”. Realistically speaking, of those that are for or against the policy discussed, how many have first hand experience with the issue? I read one or two second hand type of stories in this thread. Since absolute majority of people (and I mean basically everyone) had not have (thankfully) personally experienced a situation where their kids require such “services”, yet have a strong and vocal opinion about it, don’t you think they aren’t minding their own business? For the record, thankfully, I have not had to deal with these issues myself (yet? because who knows) with anyone personally.

Let’s put the question another way, does anyone here think that the school or society or whatever may come to mind would mess up their kids to the point that they will cut their reproduction and milk producing organs off or even consider it?

As for relevance of the problem. A post above suggests that there are (approximately) 100 people from Alberta that got the surgery done (or st least went) in Quebec. I read a few summaries and conclusions/results of the studies on the subject, but this is a good summary of what I saw from an AP article:

Some studies suggest that rates of regret have declined over the years as patient selection and treatment methods have improved. In a review of 27 studies involving almost 8,000 teens and adults who had transgender surgeries, mostly in Europe, the U.S and Canada, 1% on average expressed regret. For some, regret was temporary, but a small number went on to have detransitioning or reversal surgeries, the 2021 review said.

The article: https://apnews.com/article/transgend...c77b5371c6ba2b

So if 1 person out of all Albertans having issues with whatever it is, the subject at hand or something else, and there is a legislation proposed to deal with it (which likely won’t solve it anyway), pardon me if I don’t get excited and start jumping up and down because, frankly, and not sound “insensitive”, but I simply do not care. How many people would it take for me to raise an eyebrow? Pretty sure it would be more than a one out of the entire province. Again, not to sound insensitive, because, in spite of what my wife says, I am a sensitive and understanding individual (and I would probably go out of my way to help that one person too), but there are way more pressing problems I am concerned with that I would like to be addressed first.

Also, ask the people that are directly affected by this policy and see what they think, not the people who “don’t know how to mind their own business” because that shouldn’t matter at all.

Imagine there would be a program that dealt with addiction and would result in 1% regret and reconsideration among the participants.

Nailed it. Kudos on taking the time, you're a more patient man than I.

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by fishnguy

I will look deeper. But to start, from a brief overview, there is a puberty blocker stage that generally takes years and is basically reversible, which comes after evaluation and counselling (I would think counselling is an ongoing process for these people?). I don’t necessarily agree with your assessment of the “psychological stage”. I mean to see a psychologist or a counsellor on this issue is an indicator that there is a serious problem that the person is having with themselves, as well as (likely) with the society, maybe family, etc. I would also suggest that it isn’t likely that individuals in question necessarily want to be a “girl” or a “boy” and I would bet my house that most if not all would give everything away to “want to be” what they actually physically are.

I think that if someone says they feel like a girl and is asked the question of “why” is basically the same as a person coming to the doctor saying their stomach hurts and the doctor asking “why”. The person doesn’t know, which is why they came to see the counsellor or the doctor, so this question would not be appropriate: they feel like whatever they do or their stomach hurts because it does and they both want help. So a question like that is not going to provide any clues to solving the issue and helping the individual. If my kid, on the other hand, says that she hates her younger sister, I can ask her “why” because she (in all likelihood) knows because this feeling is a “learned” behaviour or reaction/feeling. The latter is true story and happened yesterday, lol.

I think the last argument you make doesn’t hold any water as far as reality goes. Do you know any psychologists? They are not there to “reassure” anyone of anything, but to figure out the issue and try to help the individual to the best of their abilities. I know this for a fact because my wife was a child and youth therapist/counsellor up until last year or so. It is a very complex field that requires quite a bit of education and experience, as well as a certain type of individual to be able to do it in the first place. I have heard many horrendous stories about things that happen to kids. Ironically, none included the people we are discussing here. Many if not most actually involved adults that were the primary cause, including parents, aunts and uncles, grandparents, etc. The reality is that whatever the issue is, it doesn’t work like people think, ie it’s ok and here is a pill and you will feel much better tomorrow. Like I said, it is extremely complex, even to the individuals with lifetime of experience.

In regard to “it’s ok”. Let’s assume that an individual comes to a psychologist and says that they feel a certain way. First thing to realize is that they didn’t come there because they feel fine and wanted to spread the love and good vibes. They clearly came there because there is something wrong or at the very least they feel like there is. So my best guess about these very individuals we are talking about is that they don’t come and say “I heard there is this therapy and I feel like it would be greatly beneficial to me, so I want to cut my peen/breasts off” (to which the counsellor replies “Hold on, person, what did you forget? A bucket of hormones (and Xanax), and then you will be set!”). So, when a person with some sort of mental distress comes and says certain feelings that they have give them distress (likely of the highest degree because otherwise they wouldn’t be there) and in return they here that these feelings are not ok… What would expect happen to the person? Especially if the person is a kid because this is who we are talking about here.



The problem surely exists, I should have worded it differently. I would also get right back at you with the first half of people you are referring to, namely those who “don’t know how to mind their own business”. Realistically speaking, of those that are for or against the policy discussed, how many have first hand experience with the issue? I read one or two second hand type of stories in this thread. Since absolute majority of people (and I mean basically everyone) had not have (thankfully) personally experienced a situation where their kids require such “services”, yet have a strong and vocal opinion about it, don’t you think they aren’t minding their own business? For the record, thankfully, I have not had to deal with these issues myself (yet? because who knows) with anyone personally.

Let’s put the question another way, does anyone here think that the school or society or whatever may come to mind would mess up their kids to the point that they will cut their reproduction and milk producing organs off or even consider it?

As for relevance of the problem. A post above suggests that there are (approximately) 100 people from Alberta that got the surgery done (or st least went) in Quebec. I read a few summaries and conclusions/results of the studies on the subject, but this is a good summary of what I saw from an AP article:

Some studies suggest that rates of regret have declined over the years as patient selection and treatment methods have improved. In a review of 27 studies involving almost 8,000 teens and adults who had transgender surgeries, mostly in Europe, the U.S and Canada, 1% on average expressed regret. For some, regret was temporary, but a small number went on to have detransitioning or reversal surgeries, the 2021 review said.

The article: https://apnews.com/article/transgend...c77b5371c6ba2b

So if 1 person out of all Albertans having issues with whatever it is, the subject at hand or something else, and there is a legislation proposed to deal with it (which likely won’t solve it anyway), pardon me if I don’t get excited and start jumping up and down because, frankly, and not sound “insensitive”, but I simply do not care. How many people would it take for me to raise an eyebrow? Pretty sure it would be more than a one out of the entire province. Again, not to sound insensitive, because, in spite of what my wife says, I am a sensitive and understanding individual (and I would probably go out of my way to help that one person too), but there are way more pressing problems I am concerned with that I would like to be addressed first.

Also, ask the people that are directly affected by this policy and see what they think, not the people who “don’t know how to mind their own business” because that shouldn’t matter at all.

Imagine there would be a program that dealt with addiction and would result in 1% regret and reconsideration among the participants.

Yes the federal government and the left want kids to transition.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jam...-above-biology

All of the studies done on the isssue of regret don’t take long term into account.

https://segm.org/regret-detransition-rate-unknown

Good on Smith, if someone wants to transition they can do it as an adult.

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by Rancid Crabtree

I’d suggest it’s being driven by radical influences on popular youth culture and enabled by the moral erosion of the last 40 years.
People who don’t have a solid moral frame and understanding of their place in history are prime for a social contagion like this. And popular youth culture exalts the biggest freak as the most brave.

Just watched CTV Edmonton news this morning. There was a LGBTQ alarmist on their saying that children and teens who are LGBTQ currently are 7 times more apt to suicide or self harm than children who are not and because of Danielles legislation he says those numbers will skyrocket now. He was the same guy who said Alberta is going to lose the progression the LGBTQ has made over the decades and return back to the horrible 80's and 90's Alberta gay bashing era and the hell they lived through.

Something doesn't add up. The way I connect those dots is that as the LGBTQ agenda was pushed over the decades the suicide, mental health problem rate and self harm rates have done nothing but increase correspondingly. Seems to me all this agenda has done is increase the number of lost, confused, depressed suicidal children and teens and now it is epidemic. Seems to me we have mindwashed these kids by pushing them to make choices about their sexual identity when they shouldn't even be thinking about it into a state of self dispair and depression.

In my opinion these children should be left to be kids, they already know what they are or will figure out what they are on their own. They shouldn't be badgered and pushed by the state education system, media and lobby groups into making life altering decisions they arent ready for until at least the legal age of consent. We don't legally drive on their own till their 16, or legally have sex until 16, we don't let them vote, drink or smoke until they are 18.

[CBintheNorth]

Trigger warning.
The most progressive of countries agree with Danielle's approach.

https://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/...nsition-policy

"...what do leading medical and public health authorities in Sweden, Finland, Denmark and the United Kingdom know that Smith’s critics don’t? This will evidently be a shocker to those most alarmed by Smith’s new policies but what Alberta is doing is generally in line with the far more cautious approach to the gender transitioning of teenagers recently adopted by these European countries."

[sns2]

Originally Posted by Bushrat

Just watched CTV Edmonton news this morning. There was a LGBTQ alarmist on their saying that children and teens who are LGBTQ currently are 7 times more apt to suicide or self harm than children who are not and because of Danielles legislation he says those numbers will skyrocket now. He was the same guy who said Alberta is going to lose the progression the LGBTQ has made over the decades and return back to the horrible 80's and 90's Alberta gay bashing era and the hell they lived through.

Something doesn't add up. The way I connect those dots is that as the LGBTQ agenda was pushed over the decades the suicide, mental health problem rate and self harm rates have done nothing but increase correspondingly. Seems to me all this agenda has done is increase the number of lost, confused, depressed suicidal children and teens and now it is epidemic. Seems to me we have mindwashed these kids by pushing them to make choices about their sexual identity when they shouldn't even be thinking about it into a state of self dispair and depression.

In my opinion these children should be left to be kids, they already know what they are or will figure out what they are on their own. They shouldn't be badgered and pushed by the state education system, media and lobby groups into making life altering decisions they arent ready for until at least the legal age of consent. We don't legally drive on their own till their 16, or legally have sex until 16, we don't let them vote, drink or smoke until they are 18.

Thank you for articulating the thoughts of many teachers. We are not all woke or lefties. We do all care. Never met a teacher who didn't.

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by Bushrat

Just watched CTV Edmonton news this morning. There was a LGBTQ alarmist on their saying that children and teens who are LGBTQ currently are 7 times more apt to suicide or self harm than children who are not and because of Danielles legislation he says those numbers will skyrocket now. He was the same guy who said Alberta is going to lose the progression the LGBTQ has made over the decades and return back to the horrible 80's and 90's Alberta gay bashing era and the hell they lived through.

Something doesn't add up. The way I connect those dots is that as the LGBTQ agenda was pushed over the decades the suicide, mental health problem rate and self harm rates have done nothing but increase correspondingly. Seems to me all this agenda has done is increase the number of lost, confused, depressed suicidal children and teens and now it is epidemic. Seems to me we have mindwashed these kids by pushing them to make choices about their sexual identity when they shouldn't even be thinking about it into a state of self dispair and depression.

In my opinion these children should be left to be kids, they already know what they are or will figure out what they are on their own. They shouldn't be badgered and pushed by the state education system, media and lobby groups into making life altering decisions they arent ready for until at least the legal age of consent. We don't legally drive on their own till their 16, or legally have sex until 16, we don't let them vote, drink or smoke until they are 18.

Kids want to belong to something. To be part of a group. It's natural.
Sometimes, when they don't fit into the common ones they go looking for something they fit into.
I personally believe some kids feel they fit into a group because they are told they do. It is only after some time that they realize it was a fallacy.
This goes for any and all groups.
And lets not leave out demented parents.
I was just sent a video of an American mother on YouTube proclaiming how proud she was that her 2 year old son had decided he was a girl and was going to begin transitioning.
2. Years. Old.
That's disgusting to me.
Allowing a child to become an adult with an almost fully functioning brain would prevent the influence of some of these whack jobs.
And as an added bonus, if they reach adulthood and want to continue with their self-mutilation, they will be able to do it right here in Alberta, instead of traveling to other places.

I'm really having a hard time seeing a downside to these new policies.

[pittman]

I'm glad I got you lads all riled up!

My point is for you all to consider not just your own perspective and children, but the perspectives of other children as well.

No teacher is convincing their students to change their gender identify, sexuality, pronouns or anything else. How could they? To think these discussions egg kids on to seek out gender affirming therapy is insanity. Certainly, if this relationship with parents is so sacred nothing at school could disrupt it. Or perhaps your relationships with your kids aren't as profound as you like to admit? Maybe the kids who need this kind of support in the classroom don't have a strong enough relationship with their parents to seek out support at home?

The whole reason that teachers are happy to address a child in the manner they prefer is so that any kid who is different than your average kid knows that they are in a space free from bias and discrimination. Certainly, this is something you'd want for your own child. For one second put your opinions aside and try to imagine being in their shoes.

I think there are bigger fish to fry than worrying about which sports team someone is more comfortable playing on. At the professional or olympic level for sure. But in grade school?

Lastly, I've asked around an no one I know is aware of any gender-affirming surgery going on in adolescents. Every child psychiatrist and surgeon I know is well aware that the life a teenager is dynamic. Accordingly, they are more cautious than you can imagine regarding the implementation of any therapy that can have lasting effects. If you think otherwise you are vastly underestimating the care and thought that physicians put into these decisions. I do believe that the only reason DS even brought this up is to appeal to her supporters who seem to worry about other people's business and are sure that they are right.

[Grizzly Adams1]

CBC describes it as the most restrictive regulations in Canada, it must be good.

[Dean2]

Pittman - I RARELY post on these kind of threads, but you are so full of it your eyes are Brown. The fact that Alberta, Sask and a ton of other places are having to pass legislation to stop teachers and the school system from usurping parental authority tells you there is something very rotten here. Long after school and teachers are just a memory, parents will still be there looking after their kids.

The schools have been promoting drag days, gay pride presentation and some with truly egregious behaviour around kids, that used to get you arrested. If you don't think there are teachers promoting the alphabet life style then you don't know very many teachers. Now they want to leave parents completely out of the loop. Kids need permission to go on a field trip but this is okay by you. I don't even have kids and I know this is completely wrong.

Schools teach, parents raise kids. You can disagree with how they raise them all you want, but unless you can make the case that the environment at home is so bad it warrants removal of the kid and them being place under government care, then the parents are the ones that remain responsible. Time to start firing the senior school leadership, and replace any elected school board members that support usurping parental rights. Time to clean out the a moral, socialist viper pit that our education system has become.

[tranq78]

Originally Posted by pittman

I'm glad I got you lads all riled up!

Originally Posted by Dean2

Pittman - I RARELY post on these kind of threads, but you are so full of it your eyes are Brown. The fact that Alberta, Sask and a ton of other places are having to pass legislation to stop teachers and the school system from usurping parental authority tells you there is something very rotten here. Long after school and teachers are just a memory, parents will still be there looking after their kids.

Pittman basically announced he's happy to jerk everyone's chain, a classic troll. He's destined for banned camp. Just put him on your ignore list, nothing offends trolls more than being ignored.

[pittman]

Originally Posted by Dean2

Pittman - I RARELY post on these kind of threads, but you are so full of it your eyes are Brown. The fact that Alberta, Sask and a ton of other places are having to pass legislation to stop teachers and the school system from usurping parental authority tells you there is something very rotten here. Long after school and teachers are just a memory, parents will still be there looking after their kids.

The schools have been promoting drag days, gay pride presentation and some with truly egregious behaviour around kids, that used to get you arrested. If you don't think there are teachers promoting the alphabet life style then you don't know very many teachers. Now they want to leave parents completely out of the loop. Kids need permission to go on a field trip but this is okay by you. I don't even have kids and I know this is completely wrong.

Schools teach, parents raise kids. You can disagree with how they raise them all you want, but unless you can make the case that the environment at home is so bad it warrants removal of the kid and them being place under government care, then the parents are the ones that remain responsible. Time to start firing the senior school leadership, and replace any elected school board members that support usurping parental rights. Time to clean out the a moral, socialist viper pit that our education system has become.

I'd have to disagree with parts of what you said Dean, though I do fully respect the importance and role of parents in the upbringing of their kids. I don't worry one bit about teachers usurping my kids minds. An education is about learning about other ideas and giving kids the power to make up their minds as opposed to blindly replicating the ideology of their parents.

If my kids comes home with some weird idea we talk about it. Sometimes I help them understand things in a different way, and sometimes they help me. I don't send my kids to school to learn that their parents ideas are the only right way to think. School is a tool to help them to learn to think for themselves. Plus give them some rudimentary education that I don't have time for.

Just because the education system doesn't align with your ideology and upbringing doesn't mean it's wrong. The world is changing at a pretty fast pace. Shielding your kids from this is only going to make their lives harder as they get pushed aside later on.

[pittman]

Originally Posted by tranq78

Pittman basically announced he's happy to push jerk everyone's chain, a classic troll. He's destined for banned camp. Just put him on your ignore list, nothing offends trolls more than being ignored.

Not at all. I'm just disappointed in the intolerance and bigotry that gets perpetuated on these boards.

[Trochu]

Ok, I think we've all pretty much voiced our opinion on the matter.