Danielle does it again

[Rvsask]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

I am going to guess you did not watch her press release or the news conference, because that take is just crap.

I did actually, and I also watched her speaking in legislature on video (just today though, the internet never forgets and someone always drags up old videos)
And what I saw were two polar opposite positions so my “just crap” take is that TBA are the ones pushing this. They own Danielle now.

[Rvsask]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

Don’t care if you subbed in any religion, culture or race of your choice for that matter you would still be wrong in your statement

People are calling you out on it as they should because your statement is false and trying to blame a religion for views that oppose yours.

Didn’t matter what religion you chose to blame I would be thinking your statement was foolish

Smoky, I read your post earlier, the one mentioning your daughter’s friends, and “curious “ girls in high school and I agree with a lot of it and have many similar ideas to yours on those situations.

However, in my opinion, and its opinion only obviously, this isn’t solely about views. I have varying views on different aspects of it all, but it’s about the group TBA which is about religion. I’ll stand by that opinion although at the end if the day it don’t matter much what our opinions are. I’ll leave this thread now and hope to drag home some more whitetail sheds before I check back on it.

[sns2]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

How can somebody feel a fad movement and a teachers union is more vested to ensure my child thrives more than my wife or I would?

Just stunning!!!

Furthermore, why is it healthy to coach kids into ill-informed decisions to join the sect of humanity with the highest suicide rates of any? How is that healthy to vastly multiply their chances of suicide. Children have no business trying to make such decisions. Let children be children.

I honestly believe the majority of Alberta teachers are comfortable with this legislation. If we wanted to be psychologists, we wouldn’t have become teachers. Way above our pay grade.

[I’d rather be outdoors]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

No kidding, just another socialist that thinks he knows better than parents. Everything Daniel said is just plain common sense. I guess it's not that common anymore. Especially amongst the educated that somehow see themselves as better than the foolish masses. Pittman is definitely a government shill, he was put here during covid and seems to like being here. Too bad the only time he comments is when it is to tell us how stupid the unwashed masses are. How people that have no love for a child can somehow think that he should be able to tell the child's parents what's what's is mind boggling. But it is the lefts way, government and their reps know best. I saw an interesting meme, it was a photo of a bunch of native kids in front of a school taken many years ago. The punch line was " the last time governments thought they knew what was better for their kids than the parents did". Something to think about pittman.

I absolutely hope that Danny follows through and has education money follow kids. A mass migration to other learning centers, won't take long for public education figures out they overstepped its bounds.

^this. Hard no to communists wanting control over kids. Can’t wait to see the whack job they choose to replace notley. It’ll be entertaining.

[CBintheNorth]

Here's a religious comment for you guys....

"Thank God for Danielle Smith"

[I’d rather be outdoors]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

Here's a religious comment for you guys....

"Thank God for Danielle Smith"

X2

[Howard Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by I’d rather be outdoors

X2

X3. You go girl!!!

[Trochu]

Fellas, parents being involved in their children's lives isn't "Christian vales", it's just basic parenting. Let's keep it on point...

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by edmsmith

Their views are clear. Of course it all centers on kids will kill themselves due to the changes.

Funny how 40 or 60 years ago kids killing themselves was quite rare. All the gay stuff was stifled and kept mostly in the closet. As time goes by and things change further left, more woke and the Alphabet people became mainstream pushing their agenda the number of kids killing themselves seems to have risen accordingly.

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by Trochu

Fellas, parents being involved in their children's lives isn't "Christian vales", it's just basic parenting. Let's keep it on point...

For some it's "dangerous".

[sns2]

Originally Posted by Rvsask

Dang it, I said I wouldn’t come back to this, I’m weak. But I honestly only did because we have the same occupation and I think from reading this forum we both would like out of it. lol

I’m honestly wondering though if our work realities are so different. I mean I read all the time about “grooming” and “teachers hiding things from parents” but I think for the most part, “how is that possible” ? I mean growing up in small town Sask my parents knew what I was up to at school because kids talk and parents talk to each other too. Same with when my kids went to school, they graduated in 22 and 23. Where I work , if there was a kid that wanted to be called something different, I cannot even comprehend how that would happen without parents knowledge. I get that in big places people don’t know each other like in small places. But in most towns, small cities etc there’s no way a kid trying to be a different gender at school would fly under the radar at home because someone else’s kids would talk about it at home and it’s quickly arriving back where it all started. I guess that’s why I don’t fully comprehend how parents can be so worried secrets are being kept from them. I mean they’re experts on every terrible thing happening in schools and how schools operate (yes , I too see many flaws) so doesn’t it seem sensible that they’d know their little Jonny in grade 5 was asking everyone to call him Susie?

Students asking to be called by a different name is a common occurrence in my setting. Very common. In the last handful of years I have had two students medically transition while in my class. In both instances the kids were not old enough to vote or buy a beer. I will never know their feelings that caused them to do such a thing, but I know both families were vehemently opposed to a permanent decision like this being made BEFORE the students’ brains are fully formed. It bothered me deeply to see this. BTW, at least one set of parents solely held a guidance counselor responsible for this.

I’d move to a small town in a split second if my wife would.

The notion of keeping anything of significance from a parent goes against everything in me.

We are just bloody teachers.

We need to stay in our lane, teach curriculum, and let principals and counsellors deal with this stuff.

No one is ever gonna change my mind on that either.

AO, just know that this teacher thinks this stuff is way beyond the mandate of public education. Way in hell beyond.

[2 Tollers]

Pretty reasonable article by Gunter on this

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...ne/ar-BB1hDgf2

[tirebob]

Originally Posted by sns2

Students asking to be called by a different name is a common occurrence in my setting. Very common. In the last handful of years I have had two students medically transition while in my class. In both instances the kids were not old enough to vote or buy a beer. I will never know their feelings that caused them to do such a thing, but I know both families were vehemently opposed to a permanent decision like this being made BEFORE the students’ brains are fully formed. It bothered me deeply to see this. BTW, at least one set of parents solely held a guidance counselor responsible for this.

I’d move to a small town in a split second if my wife would.

The notion of keeping anything of significance from a parent goes against everything in me.

We are just bloody teachers.

We need to stay in our lane, teach curriculum, and let principals and counsellors deal with this stuff.

No one is ever gonna change my mind on that either.

AO, just know that this teacher thinks this stuff is way beyond the mandate of public education. Way in hell beyond.

Thanks for posting this from a teachers perspective… It seems only those that tow the woke line of the day ever get to be heard, so it is good to here from the everyday other teachers too!

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by sns2

AO, just know that this teacher thinks this stuff is way beyond the mandate of public education. Way in hell beyond.

You are not alone. I have many teachers in my circle that would agree.

[fishnguy]

Originally Posted by Bushrat

Funny how 40 or 60 years ago kids killing themselves was quite rare. All the gay stuff was stifled and kept mostly in the closet. As time goes by and things change further left, more woke and the Alphabet people became mainstream pushing their agenda the number of kids killing themselves seems to have risen accordingly.

Suicide rates in Canada were the highest 30-50 years ago (per 100K):

1950 8.8
1951 7.9
1952 7.7
1953 7.1
1954 7.2
1955 7.0
1956 7.6
1957 7.5
1958 7.4
1959 7.1
1960 7.6
1961 7.5
1962 7.2
1963 7.6
1964 8.2
1965 8.7
1966 8.6
1967 9.0
1968 9.8
1969 10.9
1970 11.3
1971 11.7
1972 12.0
1973 12.2
1974 12.7
1975 12.1
1976 12.5
1977 14.0
1978 13.4
1979 13.9
1980 13.7
1981 13.7
1982 14.0
1983 14.8
1984 13.4
1985 12.6
1986 14.1
1987 13.6
1988 13.1
1989 12.8
1990 12.2
1991 12.8
1992 13.1
1993 13.3
1994 12.9
1995 13.5
1996 12.3
1997 12.3
1998 12.3
1999 13.4
2000 11.8
2001 11.9
2002 11.6
2003 11.9
2004 11.3
2005 11.6
2006 10.8
2007 11.0
2008 11.1
2009 11.5
2010 11.6
2011 11.3
2012 11.3
2013 11.5
2014 12.0
2015 12.3
2016 11.0
2017 11.3

Not having access to information doesn’t prevent things from happening. Something something, tree falls in the forest with no one to see it fall, does it still make noise?

[Rancid Crabtree]

Originally Posted by sns2

Students asking to be called by a different name is a common occurrence in my setting. Very common. In the last handful of years I have had two students medically transition while in my class. In both instances the kids were not old enough to vote or buy a beer. I will never know their feelings that caused them to do such a thing, but I know both families were vehemently opposed to a permanent decision like this being made BEFORE the students’ brains are fully formed. It bothered me deeply to see this. BTW, at least one set of parents solely held a guidance counselor responsible for this.

I’d move to a small town in a split second if my wife would.

The notion of keeping anything of significance from a parent goes against everything in me.

We are just bloody teachers.

We need to stay in our lane, teach curriculum, and let principals and counsellors deal with this stuff.

No one is ever gonna change my mind on that either.

AO, just know that this teacher thinks this stuff is way beyond the mandate of public education. Way in hell beyond.

If you were the average teacher we wouldn’t have these issues, I assume you would agree that you are in the small minority among coworkers?

By the way the teachers union makes you all look like fools to the public.

I do want to be clear I appreciate the good teachers like you.

[Rvsask]

Originally Posted by sns2

Students asking to be called by a different name is a common occurrence in my setting. Very common. In the last handful of years I have had two students medically transition while in my class. In both instances the kids were not old enough to vote or buy a beer. I will never know their feelings that caused them to do such a thing, but I know both families were vehemently opposed to a permanent decision like this being made BEFORE the students’ brains are fully formed. It bothered me deeply to see this. BTW, at least one set of parents solely held a guidance counselor responsible for this.

I’d move to a small town in a split second if my wife would.

The notion of keeping anything of significance from a parent goes against everything in me.

We are just bloody teachers.

We need to stay in our lane, teach curriculum, and let principals and counsellors deal with this stuff.

No one is ever gonna change my mind on that either.

AO, just know that this teacher thinks this stuff is way beyond the mandate of public education. Way in hell beyond.

I’m not trying to change your mind on anything, only trying to gain some perspective different than mine. I’ll also add, that because of what you do, and I actually understand what you do, you aren’t some grossly overpaid bum. Unfortunately we both live in provinces where that’s the popular sentiment. Lol

[Rancid Crabtree]

Originally Posted by Stinky Buffalo

You are not alone. I have many teachers in my circle that would agree.

They need to get a handle on their extreme union

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

Originally Posted by sns2

Students asking to be called by a different name is a common occurrence in my setting. Very common. In the last handful of years I have had two students medically transition while in my class. In both instances the kids were not old enough to vote or buy a beer. I will never know their feelings that caused them to do such a thing, but I know both families were vehemently opposed to a permanent decision like this being made BEFORE the students’ brains are fully formed. It bothered me deeply to see this. BTW, at least one set of parents solely held a guidance counselor responsible for this.

Just to be clear, you're claiming you've personally had 2 students under the age of 18, who did not have parental consent, medically change genders?

The notion of keeping anything of significance from a parent goes against everything in me.

As a teacher, the fact that you think this is, honestly, astonishing to me.

In all your years (I'm assuming years) you have never met a bad parent? Never an abusive one, a serious criminal, one with severe mental issues, etc.?

[sns2]

Originally Posted by tirebob

Thanks for posting this from a teachers perspective… It seems only those that tow the woke line of the day ever get to be heard, so it is good to here from the everyday other teachers too!

I for one feel like Danielle has actually given me back my voice on this issue. No I can talk without fear of reprisal that would affect my job potentially. Cancel culture is a very real thing for people who work for government.

These are seriously complex issues that call for incredible wisdom and compassion. And to be honest, though teachers can think they know it all, getting an ed degree is the easiest thing around, and nothing in it qualifies you to speak to these issues that have such lasting effects.

Gender dysphoria is a real thing, but in my world, this should be a decision best left to adulthood.

My role is to create an environment where kids feel welcomed and safe, so they can best learn. Anything beyond that is an overreach that I’m not personally comfortable with. Others may see it differently.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Trochu

Fellas, parents being involved in their children's lives isn't "Christian vales", it's just basic parenting. Let's keep it on point...

Exactly, when children go astray, the parents usually get blamed, but how can they parent, if they are kept in the dark about the things their children are doing?.

[fishnguy]

Does anyone here know for a fact how the whole process of “transformation” works, what steps are involved, stages, what is reversible and what is not, etc? I am just wondering. I know someone who has a pretty good idea and I am going to get some deeds to educate myself on the issue.

Overall, to me personally, it seems to “solving” the problem that doesn’t exist.

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by pittman

Let me give you an example of something that might happen here:
- Young women (minors) have had breast reductions because the boys tease them in school. That's ok?
- A young woman who wants a breast reduction for any other reason that doesn't align with someone else's values is a no? Just because DS said so?

Professionals need talk to her about her lack of self esteem before she does a breast reduction because someone is teasing or bullying her. They will tease/bully her even worse after. Bullys need to see a professional also and be punished. If it is a legitimate health reason for a reduction then no problem. Otherwise she should wait until shes 18 to make that decision.

[sns2]

Originally Posted by Mr. Bigglesworth

Just to be clear, you're claiming you've personally had 2 students under the age of 18, who did not have parental consent, medically change genders?



As a teacher, the fact that you think this is, honestly, astonishing to me.

In all your years (I'm assuming years) you have never met a bad parent? Never an abusive one, a serious criminal, one with severe mental issues, etc.?

I don’t lie and am not given to exaggeration, particularly in serious topics like this.

As to your question, yes. Both students were actually in my class simultaneously. Same grade when they began their hormonal treatment. I can only speak of my experience. I found it jarring to watch the physical and emotional changes that took place in them. That’s just me. Maybe others’ reactions were different, and they were happy for the students. I also wonder to what extent, impressionable young people play follow the leader with this stuff too.

I know this sounds bizarre, but the world is changing so fast. It just needs to pump the damn brakes.

This gov’t is simply following the lead of many countries in Europe who ventured down this road, seen the effects, and have said back up the bus, this is too complex, and too permanent. More study is required.

As for your comment about keeping things from parents, your example is a gotcha. You don’t form opinions based on exceptions.

No teacher worth their salt would knowingly put a kid at risk. But how well do you think we know the homes? We teach well in excess of a hundred kids and more each semester. We see maybe 1/4 of the parents at meet the teacher night. How much is gleaned in those few minutes where you are trying to act like the parent of the year and we are trying to act like the teacher of the year across our tables. Let’s just be honest. We aren’t psychics.

[ak77]

Originally Posted by fishnguy

Suicide rates in Canada were the highest 30-50 years ago (per 100K):

1950 8.8
1951 ...

Not having access to information doesn’t prevent things from happening. Something something, tree falls in the forest with no one to see it fall, does it still make noise?

That statistic for the population in general or for "under 18" group?

[Dynamic]

Haha seen my post was removed? That's pretty low AO

[fishnguy]

Originally Posted by ak77

That statistic for the population in general or for "under 18" group?

In general. Doubt there is any change of the mix within if there is such a little change overall over time.

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by sns2

I don’t lie and am not given to exaggeration, particularly in serious topics like this.

As to your question, yes. Both students were actually in my class simultaneously. Same grade when they began their hormonal treatment. I can only speak of my experience. I found it jarring to watch the physical and emotional changes that took place in them. That’s just me. Maybe others’ reactions were different, and they were happy for the students. I also wonder to what extent, impressionable young people play follow the leader with this stuff too.

I know this sounds bizarre, but the world is changing so fast. It just needs to pump the damn brakes.

This gov’t is simply following the lead of many countries in Europe who ventured down this road, seen the effects, and have said back up the bus, this is too complex, and too permanent. More study is required.

Fact of Life these days, we are ruled by vocal minorities and the Masses are too stupid to see the implications.

[Head Lice]

Good on her! She's got a bigger lump in her jeans than our wanker David Eby has in his 'cargo slacks' . . .

Originally Posted by Phil McCracken

Good for her!

Wish more wannabe "politicians" had the same set of balls...

[Twisted Canuck]